Suspended sentence for causing brain injury

...Ghost...

SlowBlowin wrote: »

I agree.

My father was killed (stabbed in the stomach) by someone who a few years before had stabbed some one else. They were very remorseful, the first time, and escaped a prison sentence. For my fathers murder they were found guilty, sentenced to life, and were out in 10.

Families of the victim need to be considered too, trying to move on with your life is much more difficult when you feel the weight of injustice (soft sentence).

EDIT: Having now actually read the report, it was not as serious a injury as I assumed, but I still think the punishment was soft.

Pattern forming here. The guy who sucker punched my Brother had done the same thing only a couple years previous and was let off the hook with no more than an assault charge. Had he been in prison after killing his first victim, my Brother would still be alive today.

SlowBlowin

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

My sympathies for your father. Life is 25 years, remission at 10 years is a very significant reduction, especially for a repeat offender. Was there some unusual circumstances? Like a terminal illness?

The murder happened in the UK, Dad was 72 at the time. The murderer was a 27 female, and had committed the previous stabbing in a Eastern block country. Case was heard in the high court in London. There was no terminal illness but she was technically his wife having married him earlier in the year (we knew nothing of this or the relationship). The case was very news worthy (old man/immigrant murderer/sex) and the tabloid newspapers were all over it so there is lots of information on the internet, the vast majority of which is tabloid nonsense. My sister got a call from the probation board a few years back and was asked what our family's opinion was to deporting her(murderer) from the UK at the end of her sentence, we said we would like her deported, next thing we knew she was released and deported.

yourdeadwright

This must have been premediated if he they had an altercation of sorts earlier,

The f*cker is about 7 stone wet and no doubt blindsided the victim ,

He should be sitting in a cell ,

Montage of Feck

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Barbarism begins at home

Deep, man. Deep.

Not sure of the relevance.

poisonated

poisonated wrote: »

I think rehabilitation would be better than incarceration. An anger management course and community service and a suspended sentence. Prison should be used as a very last resort. I don’t want Ireland becoming a country where 1 in 50 people are locked up.

And if some can’t be rehabilitated?

I’d support some rehabilitation if it worked and was part and parcel of incarceration. Which is the way Norway works as it happens. However there has to be a penalty for failure to rehabilitate. Nor can I see it working on mafia bosses or career criminals. It would work on entry level criminals perhaps.

Also in practice if a rapist is released to do a course on how not to rape there would be outrage. What if he rapes again.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

And if some can’t be rehabilitated?

I’d support some rehabilitation if it worked and was part and parcel of incarceration. Which is the way Norway works as it happens. However there has to be a penalty for failure to rehabilitate. Nor can I see it working on mafia bosses or career criminals. It would work on entry level criminals perhaps.

Also in practice if a rapist is released to do a course on how not to rape there would be outrage. What if he rapes again.

Despite opinions of the ignorant, prisoners have access to plenty of courses and study oppertunities in Ireland. Some do indeed take them up but the majority, shockingly dont bother.

You can obtain degrees, manual skills and various other non-certified skills in prison be it a language, painting or whatever. Prisons hire teachers and provide the facilities to study including online. they also allow prisons under certain conditions, temporary day release to attend study and work in person.

theres nothing other than their own inability and desires stopping career criminals from improving themselves. Yes, the convictions make employment more difficult but not impossible.

...Ghost...

SlowBlowin wrote: »

The murder happened in the UK.

Same here :eek:
London. Over 10 years ago now

Samsonsmasher

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And if some can’t be rehabilitated?

I’d support some rehabilitation if it worked and was part and parcel of incarceration. Which is the way Norway works as it happens. However there has to be a penalty for failure to rehabilitate. Nor can I see it working on mafia bosses or career criminals. It would work on entry level criminals perhaps.

Also in practice if a rapist is released to do a course on how not to rape there would be outrage. What if he rapes again.

Rehabilitation is a load of nonsense.

I don't care if you were a choir boy ran marathons to raise money for cripples have a Phd in pediatrics and you perform life saving surgery on Syrian orphans.
If you get drunk assault someone and give them brain damage you deserve a few years in jail.

If you don't want to go to prison don't commit offences

ThewhiteJesus

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Would it really do any good locking him up?

I agree, 20grand and a 4 year suspended sentence for one stupid drunken punch is enough , sorry for the victim though wrong place wrong time

Mike Murdock

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

I agree, 20grand and a 4 year suspended sentence for one stupid drunken punch is enough , sorry for the victim though wrong place wrong time

Premeditation means he should have served prison time.

ThewhiteJesus

Mike Murdock wrote: »

Premeditation means he should have served prison time.

are you a judge ?

political analyst

The Dáil has the constitutional authority to hold judges to account, i.e. impeachment. So why isn't the Dáil doing that with judges who constantly give unduly lenient sentences?

ThewhiteJesus

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

are you a judge ?

Neither you nor he are judges I assume, and yet you both opined.

Mike Murdock

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

are you a judge ?

Are you?

Dtp1979

I’d say scumbags hear that Martin Nolan is the judge, they’re delighted

Akesh

Martin Nolan needs to be removed. He makes a mockery of the criminal justice system.

SlowBlowin

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

I agree, 20grand and a 4 year suspended sentence for one stupid drunken punch is enough , sorry for the victim though wrong place wrong time

A monetary fine is a very very inefficient tool.

It means nothing at all to a wealthy family, and its a life sentence to a poor family - prison is prison. I was wild as a youngster, had my freedom taken away for a short time, and it worked.

Cienciano

I wonder if I punched a guy in the pub and he turned out to be another judge, would this judge in question be as lenient? A judge from Castleknock gets a punch from a guy from Clondalkin?

ThewhiteJesus

Mike Murdock wrote: »

Are you?

I'm not the one questioning a real judges ruling, you are.

ThewhiteJesus

Deleted User wrote: »

Neither you nor he are judges I assume, and yet you both opined.

have you an opinion or are you just making silly answers like you have throughout the thread ?
I wonder why your account is so new.
I guess like Mike, you know better than a seasoned judge.

silverharp

sucker punch and brain damage should be treated same sentence-wise the same as homicide

ThewhiteJesus

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

have you an opinion or are you just making silly answers like you have throughout the thread ?
I wonder why your account is so new.
I guess like Mike, you know better than a seasoned judge.

My answers were pretty well written and relatively neutral. Unlike the childish tantrum of “are you a judge”. Or indeed that attack, which is on the poster not the post. And I did give an opinion - here it is. https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116390747&postcount=36

My account is so new because I joined recently. (That’s another ad hominem attack by the way).

It’s perfectly legitimate for any citizen to question judicial rulings. Do we have to accept that all rulings by all judges are correct?

In all of this you haven’t in fact justified your position, you have merely argued that us hoi polloi are unfit to judge the judge. Which is another logical fallacy, the appeal to authority.

AllForIt

poisonated wrote: »

I think rehabilitation would be better than incarceration. An anger management course and community service and a suspended sentence. Prison should be used as a very last resort. I don’t want Ireland becoming a country where 1 in 50 people are locked up.

And what if he did it for his own amusement and satisfaction and maybe to show off in front of his mates*. That would have noting whatsoever to do with anger management.


*which would be the far more likely and prevalent scenario imo. Ppl do get agro for fun you know. They enjoy it.

Scratchly

There's no way a four year sentence should be suspended for paying a few grand compensation. It makes an absolute mockery of the judicial system.

Nolan has shown himself utterly incompetent as a judge time and time again.

KevRossi

SuperSean11 wrote: »

Thugs from a rich background buying their way out of prison by the sounds of it

Hardly rich going by his address. Lower middle class - middle class area.

He should have been given 10 years, suspend 9.5 of it for 10 years. Give him 6 months (he'll serve 4, probably a couple of them in an open prison). It's a punishment to him and a deterrent to others.

I know one man whose son was seriously injured in a one punch attack. The attacker stayed with him and tried to help him while help was called. He actually seemed genuinely remorseful with what he had done, but he sat for 6 months. Took the son about 4 years to get back to full health.

That sentence is a joke.

An Ri rua

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Would it really do any good locking him up?

I don't think you can just arbitrarily lock a judge up though, even one as remiss as Martin.

Akesh

Akesh wrote: »

Martin Nolan needs to be removed. He makes a mockery of the criminal justice system.

he must have something on someone high up

An Ri rua

Hangdogroad wrote: »

How do you know hes genuinely remorseful? It's very easy to say.

Buyer's remorse. It's a thing. He just dropped 10 large and has to cough up 10 more in a while again. You're always left wondering, at that price-point, did you get value for your money.... Like, could he have bought the judge and system for less?
It's a tough, lonely spot for the young lad. Certainly you wouldn't want to compound such financial remorse with a jail sentence? That could be a literal pain in the hole for a good family softboy like him. Ahem...

An Ri rua

SlowBlowin wrote: »

A monetary fine is a very very inefficient tool.

It means nothing at all to a wealthy family, and its a life sentence to a poor family - prison is prison. I was wild as a youngster, had my freedom taken away for a short time, and it worked.

Well said. Young men are, generally, walking nuclear bombs (Ive plenty of old sins myself) and only wake up calls wake them up.
Whether driving, punching, or whatever other risk they choose to take. Compliance should be seen to be the only acceptable path. Hence, a longer suspended sentence, certainly a short time in jail and certainly community service so he can express his remorse to his fellow citizens.

Mike Murdock

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

I'm not the one questioning a real judges ruling, you are.

Of course I will question a judge who has a history of going easy on those found guilty in assault cases, domestic violence cases and child pornography cases.