Dublin Marathon 2021

Reg'stoy

MayoSalmon wrote: »

60,000 gonna be in Wembley for the Euro Semi and Final...Ironman UK happening in a week there too.

Here we are about to cancel a marathon at the end of October with every single vunerable person in the country vaccinated. By the end of October probably every 20 year old will be vaccinated too....beyond embarrassing at this stage.

Bluesquare wrote: »

With all the talk on the “ Delta -and Delta Plus “ variants and not lifting restrictions further decisions could go either way . I’m not happy training for an event for 17 weeks for it to be cancelled on Dr. Tony’s whim. So I’ll be one person looking for a refund should it go ahead.

franciscanpunk wrote: »

Our ambition as a country to exit restrictions just seems to be so much lower than elsewhere but this is people running outside at the end of october, post vaccination programme, surely this will happen... sometimes i really hate this place

Unthought Known wrote: »

Your mistake there is putting forward a completely valid and logical argument. Pretty sure Tony has the Delta 3.0 Plus variant up his sleeve for that one.

Some people have really lost the run of themselves, you'd swear given their posts that DCM were in cahots with the 'deep state' in stopping them "running outside".

I particularly find the nudge, nudge, wink, wink mentioning of one individual, ala a certain former journalist's sycophants really distasteful. Decisions are made by government, following professional advice of experts and not shared memes on facebook.

I've said it before and I stand over it, but the small minority 'woe betide me' DCM entrants are the same people who arrive at parkruns at 9-25, tut because there is a delay getting their results and never see the volunteers who were there 45mins before the start and the marshals who stand on the course until the last person has passed them. The decision to run or delay the race, will not be made to piss you off, rather it will be a medical safety and business decision, maybe go feel sorry for yourselves on the conspiracy theory thread or send an angry postcard to Gemma.

6run28

Reg'stoy wrote: »

Some people have really lost the run of themselves, you'd swear given their posts that DCM were in cahots with the 'deep state' in stopping them "running outside".

I particularly find the nudge, nudge, wink, wink mentioning of one individual, ala a certain former journalist's sycophants really distasteful. Decisions are made by government, following professional advice of experts and not shared memes on facebook.

I've said it before and I stand over it, but the small minority 'woe betide me' DCM entrants are the same people who arrive at parkruns at 9-25, tut because there is a delay getting their results and never see the volunteers who were there 45mins before the start and the marshals who stand on the course until the last person has passed them. The decision to run or delay the race, will not be made to piss you off, rather it will be a medical safety and business decision, maybe go feel sorry for yourselves on the conspiracy theory thread or send an angry postcard to Gemma.

Very well said.

Unthought Known

Reg'stoy wrote: »

Some people have really lost the run of themselves, you'd swear given their posts that DCM were in cahots with the 'deep state' in stopping them "running outside".

I particularly find the nudge, nudge, wink, wink mentioning of one individual, ala a certain former journalist's sycophants really distasteful. Decisions are made by government, following professional advice of experts and not shared memes on facebook.

I've said it before and I stand over it, but the small minority 'woe betide me' DCM entrants are the same people who arrive at parkruns at 9-25, tut because there is a delay getting their results and never see the volunteers who were there 45mins before the start and the marshals who stand on the course until the last person has passed them. The decision to run or delay the race, will not be made to piss you off, rather it will be a medical safety and business decision, maybe go feel sorry for yourselves on the conspiracy theory thread or send an angry postcard to Gemma.

The inidividual quoted is the professional whose advice heavily influences government decisions, which in turn will heavily influence the decision on DCM. Hardly nudge, nudge territory, and belittling 'the small minority' of DCM entrants that have the audacity to have a personal interest in the decision is distasteful. We all know it's just a race, but after the last year people are completely entitled to personally elevate its importance.

daz23

Ah folk's we need to see woods from the trees here. The marathon is still 17 weeks away so although the delta variant might cause delays in opening up the country at present until they administer the second dose of the az vaccine to the vulnerable, we will have the majority population vaccinated by the end of October.

As said the biggest concern to the race is if another variant that the vaccine is not effective against but there have been no variants so far that the current vaccines haven't proven effective against.

The question is if the organisers are willing to plan ahead with the risk of another variant that the vaccines are ineffective against appearing.

sideshowbob321

We won't know til we know on Friday but my tuppence worth is
There will be more variants - thats a given but we need to plough on with event's such as these

IF something comes long and it has to be pulled closer to the date yes it will be a pain in the hole for all
BUT it shouldn't be cancelled this far out until it can be proven it actually NEEDS to be

Btw if anyone has a spare entry please pm me

Cabaal

People need to remember that its only a race, it will happen eventually.
But having 16k odd people in very, very close proximity, all sweating etc may not be the best thing to do this year yet....we'll see.

Regardless of what happens, the organisers will get sh*t all thanks from some people regardless of the decision it seems.

The Davestator

Cabaal wrote: »

People need to remember that its only a race, it will happen eventually.
But having 16k odd people in very, very close proximity, all sweating etc may not be the best thing to do this year yet....we'll see.

Regardless of what happens, the organisers will get sh*t all thanks from some people regardless of the decision it seems.

Outdoors. For a few minutes at the start. Easily mitigated with people walking with arms outstretched and staggered starts.

I won't blame the organisers as they know their business better than me, but Ireland really will be an outlier (more than already) if we accept that any event cant happen by the end of October when almost everyone will be fully vaccinated.

What's the point in vaccination if we cant get back to normal would be my question!

MayoSalmon

Reg'stoy wrote: »

Decisions are made by government, following professional advice of experts and not shared memes on facebook.

Turns on TV and see's 125,000 people in attendance at the Indy 500, sees full stadia in Copenhagen, Budapest, 60,000 in Wembley and full attendence at baseball games all across America.

GAA will have 2,300 spectators at the Munster Semi Final in two weeks as a "trial" event. What do they need to trial, do they not have eyes and knowledge of the world outside of this island?

Only country in Europe refusing to introduce Antigen testing for travel. Thats right the considered Irish medical advice of the " Irish experts" is obviously superior to the rest of our European medical colleagues. The same experts that warned opening the country up would lead to 3,000 cases a day.

Medical experts :pac: "2 weeks to flatten the curve"

Medical Fascists more like.

jams100

Reg'stoy wrote: »

Some people have really lost the run of themselves, you'd swear given their posts that DCM were in cahots with the 'deep state' in stopping them "running outside".

I particularly find the nudge, nudge, wink, wink mentioning of one individual, ala a certain former journalist's sycophants really distasteful. Decisions are made by government, following professional advice of experts and not shared memes on facebook.

I've said it before and I stand over it, but the small minority 'woe betide me' DCM entrants are the same people who arrive at parkruns at 9-25, tut because there is a delay getting their results and never see the volunteers who were there 45mins before the start and the marshals who stand on the course until the last person has passed them. The decision to run or delay the race, will not be made to piss you off, rather it will be a medical safety and business decision, maybe go feel sorry for yourselves on the conspiracy theory thread or send an angry postcard to Gemma.

In fairness, I think most people (myself included) actually feel sorry for the DCM organisers.
They are in the position where they probably can't afford to let the event go ahead if there is even a 10% chance of it being cancelled a month in advance.

I stand by what I said before there is no reason why this shouldn't go ahead. Unless the medical powers that be in this country know something that medical advisors in other countries don't then there is no reason why this shouldn't go ahead.

London, Belfast, Berlin marathon etc. all going ahead...anyway I guess we'll find out one way or another tomorrow

SeeMoreBut

I just want to know can I start checking the weather forecast tomorrow.

Do the organisers want to go straight for 15,000 - 20,000 people event without a dry run which they could do with the half?

Do all parties need to agree.

I still think getting the volunteers might be difficult.

event

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Turns on TV and see's 125,000 people in attendance at the Indy 500, sees full stadia in Copenhagen, Budapest, 60,000 in Wembley and full attendence at baseball games all across America.

GAA will have 2,300 spectators at the Munster Semi Final in two weeks as a "trial" event. What do they need to trial, do they not have eyes and knowledge of the world outside of this island?

Only country in Europe refusing to introduce Antigen testing for travel. Thats right the considered Irish medical advice of the " Irish experts" is obviously superior to the rest of our European medical colleagues. The same experts that warned opening the country up would lead to 3,000 cases a day.

Medical experts :pac: "2 weeks to flatten the curve"

Medical Fascists more like.

I'm sure you'll be able to apply for the position of CMO when it comes up anyway

Kander

jams100 wrote: »

In fairness, I think most people (myself included) actually feel sorry for the DCM organizers.

Fully feel sorry for the organizers on this. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place. On one side they have a risk adverse government and the other they have probably every run hungry runner in Ireland foaming at the mouth to get going

Imagine if it was cancelled during the taper mania...there would be riots but by people desperately trying not to get injured or catch a cold

ultrapercy

Kander wrote: »

Fully feel sorry for the organizers on this. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place. On one side they have a risk adverse government and the other they have probably every run hungry runner in Ireland foaming at the mouth to get going

Imagine if it was cancelled during the taper mania...there would be riots but by people desperately trying not to get injured or catch a cold

I'm honestly not suer about the appetite amoung the general running public for races. A local club here in Mayo are in the middle of a 5k Saturday morning series that is struggling to attract 100 people. Its a well ran and well advertised series but numbers are low. I assumed the first races post lockdown would be pree booked and over subscribed but that's not the case. Social Media is an unreliable indicator of public opinion.

daydorunrun

ultrapercy wrote: »

I'm honestly not suer about the appetite amoung the general running public for races. A local club here in Mayo are in the middle of a 5k Saturday morning series that is struggling to attract 100 people. Its a well ran and well advertised series but numbers are low. I assumed the first races post lockdown would be pre booked and over subscribed but that's not the case. Social Media is an unreliable indicator of public opinion.

I think there was a large percentage that went to races for the social aspect, it'll take them longer to get back.

Did what was effectively a trial event in Kildare on Sunday (they had 5k and 10k on Fri/Sat) 100's of runners in well organised wave starts. It felt very safe a manageable. Funnily enough people seemed well used to giving each other plenty of space and nobody was on top of each other. Be a long while before we have to engage the elbows to fight for our piece of road when the gun goes off in races!

Dudda

ultrapercy wrote: »

I'm honestly not suer about the appetite amoung the general running public for races. A local club here in Mayo are in the middle of a 5k Saturday morning series that is struggling to attract 100 people. Its a well ran and well advertised series but numbers are low. I assumed the first races post lockdown would be pree booked and over subscribed but that's not the case. Social Media is an unreliable indicator of public opinion.

I saw them advertised. They're not doing chip timing, no bibs and you have to record your own time? Does that not make it more of an organised group run than a timed race? I haven't ran them and I know it's better than nothing but even Parkrun records the time for you. Something like the Black pig 10k Race in Sligo will be more of a gauge of interest in the west where races take longer to sell out than Dublin.

As for DCM this time tomorrow I'll be clicking refresh.

corcaigh07

Cabaal wrote: »

People need to remember that its only a race, it will happen eventually.
But having 16k odd people in very, very close proximity, all sweating etc may not be the best thing to do this year yet....we'll see.

Regardless of what happens, the organisers will get sh*t all thanks from some people regardless of the decision it seems.

Sweat doesn't transmit COVID-19.

Space out the start waves, spectators need to be sensible and space out on the route. That would do it.

event

corcaigh07 wrote: »

Sweat doesn't transmit COVID-19.

Space out the start waves, spectators need to be sensible and space out on the route. That would do it.

You think the general public can be sensible? Not a chance

ariana`

ultrapercy wrote: »

I'm honestly not suer about the appetite amoung the general running public for races. A local club here in Mayo are in the middle of a 5k Saturday morning series that is struggling to attract 100 people. Its a well ran and well advertised series but numbers are low. I assumed the first races post lockdown would be pree booked and over subscribed but that's not the case. Social Media is an unreliable indicator of public opinion.

They've limited it to members of a club though, I'd have been there in a flash otherwise and so would some of my running buddies.

Burkie1203

Cabaal wrote: »

People need to remember that its only a race, it will happen eventually.
But having 16k odd people in very, very close proximity, all sweating etc may not be the best thing to do this year yet....we'll see.

Regardless of what happens, the organisers will get sh*t all thanks from some people regardless of the decision it seems.

16k ppl sweating won't be the cause of a covid spike

EC1000

sideshowbob321 wrote: »

BUT it shouldn't be cancelled this far out until it can be proven it actually NEEDS to be

That's not the way it works. A final decision has to be made as soon as expenditure needs to be committed. That point is not 4 weeks before the race, it's long before that.

event

Yep. I dont think people get that they need to make financial decisions now. They need to start ordering the medals and tshirts now and to pay for them.

If all the entrants agreed to forgo their entry fee if it has to be cancelled, that would go a long way to giving them the security to plan ahead.

I wonder how many would be happy to do that?

wpd

event wrote: »

Yep. I dont think people get that they need to make financial decisions now. They need to start ordering the medals and tshirts now and to pay for them.

If all the entrants agreed to forgo their entry fee if it has to be cancelled, that would go a long way to giving them the security to plan ahead.

I wonder how many would be happy to do that?

I wouldnt be happy to forgo my entry however i have no issue not getting a t-shirt or medal if that would allow them to plan without making financial commitments

bucketybuck

event wrote: »

You think the general public can be sensible? Not a chance

You must be in government.

Supercell

I think the running population of Ireland is foaming at the mouth for this by now, its the insurance companies that are likely going to make the final call/have already made it.
The fact that the twitter account is still posting training plans a couple of days ago gives me hope.
Lots of page refreshing tomorrow!

Bluesquare

event wrote: »

Yep. I dont think people get that they need to make financial decisions now. They need to start ordering the medals and tshirts now and to pay for them.

If all the entrants agreed to forgo their entry fee if it has to be cancelled, that would go a long way to giving them the security to plan ahead.

I wonder how many would be happy to do that?

For me personally I don’t really care about a fee I paid out 18 months plus ago but I do care about the time and energy required to train for a marathon - so based on the last year I’m going to decide against doing it even if it’s game on . I’m not pushed on marathons as a general rule so just saving myself potential heart ache down the line - the security I need to motivate myself is not there . Maybe if I had a sunnier disposition !

robinph

event wrote: »

Yep. I dont think people get that they need to make financial decisions now. They need to start ordering the medals and tshirts now and to pay for them.

If all the entrants agreed to forgo their entry fee if it has to be cancelled, that would go a long way to giving them the security to plan ahead.

I wonder how many would be happy to do that?

It would also need the sponsors to still stump up their cash despite not getting the promised coverage, and for the traders at the expo to be prepared to forgoe their potential income boost and and fees they had paid for a stall. Me losing an entry fee which I'd paid out two years ago is already written off in my finances. Would be nice to get a run out of that entry at some point, but have to consider the money long gone personally.

echancrure

Looking forward at some stage in the future to a more eco-friendly Dublin marathon without free medals and T-Shirts; a nice free digital photo crossing the line for finishers would be nicer.

py

echancrure wrote: »

Looking forward at some stage in the future to a more eco-friendly Dublin marathon without free medals and T-Shirts; a nice free digital photo crossing the line for finishers would be nicer.

If there's no T-Shirt or beanie, how else are people to know I've run DCM?

PhilOssophy

Burkie1203 wrote: »

16k ppl sweating won't be the cause of a covid spike

True, sure they aren't breathing (heavily) in close proximity at the same time after all.....

SeeMoreBut

Supercell wrote: »

I think the running population of Ireland is foaming at the mouth for this by now, its the insurance companies that are likely going to make the final call/have already made it.
The fact that the twitter account is still posting training plans a couple of days ago gives me hope.
Lots of page refreshing tomorrow!

Why would the insurance company make a call. They won't be covered if it is cancelled for covid reasons anyway you can be sure.

Unthought Known

PhilOssophy wrote: »

True, sure they aren't breathing (heavily) in close proximity at the same time after all.....

Vaccinated people....outside. We have to move on at some stage.

Burkie1203

PhilOssophy wrote: »

True, sure they aren't breathing (heavily) in close proximity at the same time after all.....

Well when i ran DCM in 2019 I was within 2m of no more then 10 ppl in the entire run

tunney

event wrote: »

Yep. I dont think people get that they need to make financial decisions now. They need to start ordering the medals and tshirts now and to pay for them.

If all the entrants agreed to forgo their entry fee if it has to be cancelled, that would go a long way to giving them the security to plan ahead.

I wonder how many would be happy to do that?

I'd be happy to forego my fee even if they cancelled it now. (As long as I got first refusal on a slot the following year).

bucketybuck

PhilOssophy wrote: »

True, sure they aren't breathing (heavily) in close proximity at the same time after all.....

Christ I thought this **** had been debunked a long time ago now?

Bananaleaf

ariana` wrote: »

They've limited it to members of a club though, I'd have been there in a flash otherwise and so would some of my running buddies.

Is that actually the case? What happens if you have an entry carried over from last year but you're not in a club?

Dudda

ultrapercy wrote: »

I'm honestly not suer about the appetite amoung the general running public for races. A local club here in Mayo are in the middle of a 5k Saturday morning series that is struggling to attract 100 people. Its a well ran and well advertised series but numbers are low. I assumed the first races post lockdown would be pree booked and over subscribed but that's not the case. Social Media is an unreliable indicator of public opinion.

ariana` wrote: »

They've limited it to members of a club though, I'd have been there in a flash otherwise and so would some of my running buddies.

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Is that actually the case? What happens if you have an entry carried over from last year but you're not in a club?

Bananaleaf, you're reading ariana` quote out of context. Their on about a different club race, not DCM

Bananaleaf

Dudda wrote: »

Bananaleaf, you're reading ariana` quote out of context. Their on about a different club race, not DCM

oops, sorry! Thank you for clearing that up

Burkie1203

Supercell wrote: »

The fact that the twitter account is still posting training plans a couple of days ago gives me hope.

Regardless of tomorrow's announcement there will be a virtual event too. So the training plan will be posted on social media

Peckham

Announcement postponed until 15 July

cfeeneyinterior

Peckham wrote: »

Announcement postponed until 15 July

Says who?

Supercell

Nothing on twitter or website that i can see. That is leaving it very late if true. Was going to commit to Belfast or Dublin today

cfeeneyinterior

Supercell wrote: »

Nothing on twitter or website that i can see. That is leaving it very late if true. Was going to commit to Belfast or Dublin today

Exactly.... However, if I was a betting man, its not going to happen with all this speak of delta

The Davestator

It could actually be a clever move to postpone the announcement. By then, there will be less uncertainty around the latest variant, more vaccinated people and reasons to not host it will be running out for the people who remain afraid.

event

I really hope they make a call one way or the other today. If they put it back to July 15th, thats a bit annoying. I can see why they might, they obviously really want to host it and want to wait as long as they can. Thats 14 weeks out, suppose people will have only done 4-6 weeks training so its not that bad.

Van.Bosch

event wrote: »

I really hope they make a call one way or the other today. If they put it back to July 15th, thats a bit annoying. I can see why they might, they obviously really want to host it and want to wait as long as they can. Thats 14 weeks out, suppose people will have only done 4-6 weeks training so its not that bad.

Personally motivation is very low, if not announced today, I know I’ll struggle to train properly until July 15th.

The Black Oil

Decision delayed until mid-July.

https://twitter.com/dublinmarathon/status/1408331627617566721

Rossi7

I heard the 15th of July last night, just read confirmation from themselves now it's delayed to the 15th. They are still in the process of engaging with the relevant stakeholders. They state no later than the 15h of July so they may make the decision before then.

event

Yeah see that now. At well, cant do much about it. Hope they dont get as much grief now as the Belfast marathon did when they changed their date

Supercell

In two weeks time all we are going to hear about is Delta Delta poxy Delta with maybe 10 more in hospital, lock the whole country down again.
Frustrating watching other Delta ridden countries getting on with sporting events as is, not the DCM's fault i suppose that the powers that be here are rediculiously cautious, predictable.
Sorry, just venting, i'd say the organisers are between a rock and a hard place here.

kilns

They obviously want to host it and are desperate to get the race run but there is no way NPHET will agree to anything of significant size due to the latest boogeyman Delta

So it looks like it will just be a virtual race again.

Are the group who organise the marathon losing money from last year and this year? Factor in the loss of the title sponsor, could this be the end of the Dublin Marathon as we currently know it