North inner city turning into war zone

murphyebass

saabsaab wrote: »

How about a 'drunk tank' to round up those causing trouble keep them there for 24 hrs?

And then burn then drunk tank to the ground. Good riddance.

Birneybau

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I was in town this afternoon, not northside mind. Place is actually looking really well, helped by the nice weather. It's so much nicer without traffic, which was minimal.

Met 2 mates for whiskeys in the park beside St. Patrick's Cathedral earlier, there were girls drinking prosecco. Was awful...

con___manx1

Moore Street is gone pretty bad aswell. Loads of groups of foreigners hanging around. I seen a video on WhatsApp of a fight there last week.

Merowig

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/08dc0-taoiseach-and-ministers-meet-with-north-inner-city-community-coalition/

That was three weeks ago

(...)
Today, the Taoiseach Micheál Martin, Minister Helen McEntee, Minister Paschal Donohoe, Minister of State James Browne and Senator Mary Fitzpatrick met with members of the North Inner City Community Coalition to discuss recent violent incidents in the area.

The meeting also offered an opportunity for the local community to outline their concerns and put forward a number of ideas to address the current situation.

Following the meeting, Taoiseach Micheál Martin said:

"I extend my deepest sympathies to all those impacted by the shocking incidents which have taken place in Dublin in recent weeks. This sort of behaviour cannot continue, and I know that the Minister for Justice and Garda Commissioner have been meeting this week to discuss a plan to tackle these recent incidents.

"An Garda Síochána has a comprehensive policing plan in place in Dublin’s north inner city which will see high visibility patrols carried out on a daily basis, with a particular focus on the areas where public order and related offending has taken place in recent weeks.

"We need strong community engagement, increased community safety and enhanced youth services in order to reduce and prevent crime, and my Government is determined that this will be delivered. There will be outreach and information programmes, run in a number of different languages, for all communities, as well as youth justice and other interventions."

Acknowledging the effect that recent violent incidents have had on the local community, Minister for Justice Helen McEntee said:

"People must not be afraid to leave their homes because of a small minority who are determined to cause harm to others. The safety of the community in Dublin’s north inner city is a priority for us all.
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The area was never here really safe - over the years people offered to me couple of times most likely stolen goods, drug dealing in open day light, theft, the occasional stabbing/murder...

It just deteriorated further with the lockdown - e.g. with the ferals chasing and attacking Deliveroo drivers - even the government accepts that there is a problem as per above link. So I wonder how some here pretend all is grand.
Yes other cities have also issues - but these are mostly in the suburbs, less in City Center.

Thelonious Monk

ongarboy wrote: »

Yes, it was particularly nice around Grafton Street and GPO, wasn't it? The fireworks added to the festive atmosphere, right?

I was at Grafton st and there were crowds, didn't see the fireworks, but yes it was actually a nice atmosphere.

saabsaab

Spray a sticky blue non wasable dye over those who don't disperse?

skimpydoo

Two weeks at around 12:15 pm a guy had one of his ears bitten off. He was on the LUAS which had just stopped at the Busaras stop when it happened. Before the pandemic, this would not have happened in broad daylight and by Busaras and a stone's throw from Store St Station.

Merowig

skimpydoo wrote: »

Two weeks at around 12:15 pm a guy had one of his ears bitten off. He was on the LUAS which had just stopped at the Busaras stop when it happened. Before the pandemic, this would not have happened in broad daylight and by Busaras and a stone's throw from Store St Station.

That really sounds like out of "28 days later".

Duke of Schomberg

I've just been reading through the thread. Are things really this bad? I've walked from O'Connell Station through to the Parnell Sq Maldron Hotel after the last Enterprise down from Belfast on numerous occasions - trailing my wheelie-case behind me (ie. advertising visitor/tourist) prior to last March, and never seen any sign of trouble or felt remotely intimidated or uneasy. I'm a Special Constable in the West Yorkshire Police, so I'm aware of the risks in any major city when out and about in the late evening - but perhaps the next time I'm back I'll have to pay more attention to my surroundings . . .

donvito99

Duke of Schomberg wrote: »

Are things really this bad?

No. This website and the media are expert at making the exception out to be the rule.

Thelonious Monk

Duke of Schomberg wrote: »

I've just been reading through the thread. Are things really this bad? I've walked from O'Connell Station through to the Parnell Sq Maldron Hotel after the last Enterprise down from Belfast on numerous occasions - trailing my wheelie-case behind me (ie. advertising visitor/tourist) prior to last March, and never seen any sign of trouble or felt remotely intimidated or uneasy. I'm a Special Constable in the West Yorkshire Police, so I'm aware of the risks in any major city when out and about in the late evening - but perhaps the next time I'm back I'll have to pay more attention to my surroundings . . .

Yes people talk a lot of rubbish. It's not dangerous but there are some addicts around the place and homeless people, but they don't go near you.

saabsaab

Just saw a report of a woman being chased by up to 20 Garda cars including armed support and a helicopter!

crushproof

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/edinburgh-woman-bit-off-mans-tongue-in-street-brawl-before-seagull-swooped-down-and-ate-it-3141625

Edinburgh woman bit off man’s tongue in street brawl before seagull swooped down and ate it

A man who had a large chunk of his tongue bitten off by a female thug was left horrified when a seagull swooped down and ate it.

Just goes to show every city has it's fair share of problems!

rizzodun

crushproof wrote: »

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/edinburgh-woman-bit-off-mans-tongue-in-street-brawl-before-seagull-swooped-down-and-ate-it-3141625

Edinburgh woman bit off man’s tongue in street brawl before seagull swooped down and ate it



Just goes to show every city has it's fair share of problems!

In fairness if this was a thread about the scourge of inner city seagulls there would be a lot more consensus.

stevedublin

saabsaab wrote: »

Just saw a report of a woman being chased by up to 20 Garda cars including armed support and a helicopter!

The woman was in a motorised vehicle.

zerosugarbuzz

saabsaab wrote: »

Just saw a report of a woman being chased by up to 20 Garda cars including armed support and a helicopter!

This kind of thing has happened a few times over the past couple of years. Has someone in Garda management been watching a few too many 70s Hollywood car chase movies?

drunkmonkey

saabsaab wrote: »

Just saw a report of a woman being chased by up to 20 Garda cars including armed support and a helicopter!

Her Facebook and Instagram were taken down, she was live streaming it...

https://twitter.com/Nicole_Cummins1/status/1366497664016265221?s=20

Mollydog123

I'm 52 years living a mile from the city centre and there have always been stories about how bad it was. Other than having a bicycle stolen from beside Eason's in the 80's Ive never seen anything bad.

Dublin Spur

get a special military style police division set up specifically to tackle this problem and send them in to batter the fcuk outta these maggots on a daily basis

punisher5112

Mollydog123 wrote: »

I'm 52 years living a mile from the city centre and there have always been stories about how bad it was. Other than having a bicycle stolen from beside Eason's in the 80's Ive never seen anything bad.

I've seen assaults, been assaulted myself few occasions, threats, scum running wild, drug dealers openly dealing, people peeing and sh1tting everywhere, thefts, much much more.
I don't live in the city, never did but work there and around years.

dmigsy

punisher5112 wrote: »

I've seen assaults, been assaulted myself few occasions, threats, scum running wild, drug dealers openly dealing, people peeing and sh1tting everywhere, thefts, much much more.
I don't live in the city, never did but work there and around years.

Sounds like you've only been to Coppers.

Pawwed Rig

punisher5112 wrote: »

I've seen assaults, been assaulted myself few occasions, threats, scum running wild, drug dealers openly dealing, people peeing and sh1tting everywhere, thefts, much much more.
I don't live in the city, never did but work there and around years.

Never been assaulted myself (although came close once) but everything else you say is the norm around the Connolly end of Talbot Street and adjacent/parallel streets. I remember a guy in the accomodation forum once asking if the Steelworks on Foley Street were worth buying in and a funny (yet accurate) reply was that 'when people say there are worse places it is places like Foley Street they are referring to'. :pac:
Kip of the worst kind.

Goodshape

I lived on the Connolly end of Talbot Street for about a year, not so long ago. It's not great, it's inner city, it's right beside a big (Ireland's biggest?) inter-city transport hub.

But it does make me kinda happy to see it referred to as the worst we've got. It was grand. I never had any issues nor felt particularly unsafe.

Might not go and hang-out on the street by myself at 11pm at night... but I'd probably be okay if I did.

punisher5112

Goodshape wrote: »

I lived on the Connolly end of Talbot Street for about a year, not so long ago. It's not great, it's inner city, it's right beside a big (Ireland's biggest?) inter-city transport hub.

But it does make me kinda happy to see it referred to as the worst we've got. It was grand. I never had any issues nor felt particularly unsafe.

Might not go and hang-out on the street by myself at 11pm at night... but I'd probably be okay if I did.

Well you are in goodshape so at least you have that going for you....

Straight Talker

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yes people talk a lot of rubbish. It's not dangerous but there are some addicts around the place and homeless people, but they don't go near you.

If you genuinely believe that you must either be living in a plastic bubble, or you are completely away with the fairies.:)

Mules

Is it in such a bad way because of drug addicts or is there another reason?

Pawwed Rig

Mules wrote: »

Is it in such a bad way because of drug addicts or is there another reason?

It is the Hutch heartland. Alot of the murders have happened around the area and the locals do not seem overly interested in keeping the place in any kind of condition. To be fair neither do the council or the Gardai (although the Gardai had pushed the dealers out of the park on Foley Street) since Smartbox opened.
The area reminded me of Hamsterdam in the Wire. Gardai knew what was happening but just accepted that there was not much to be done about it.

HansKroenke

What is the reason for the roaming feral youths now? Did they run drugs while the economy was open and now are just lacking "work" for want of a better word? Were they always just roaming but too afraid to do anything since the city was swarmed with workers, students, tourists and other people?

mloc123

Caranica wrote: »

I think the issue around the city centre is that nobody is around, relatively speaking. I worked on Marlborough Street until last year and yes the area was spicy. I saw people up to no good but no assaults or muggings. I never felt unsafe, but at the same time I never felt comfortable.

Before Covid, the dodgy element was very well diluted by others. Take almost all the workers, shoppers and tourists out of the area and it looks like they're everywhere.

It is like a nature program, when they go to a now deserted town/city and the animals have taken it back..

Caranica

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

It is the Hutch heartland. Alot of the murders have happened around the area and the locals do not seem overly interested in keeping the place in any kind of condition.

Yeah, think one of them lives in the estate bedside the secondary school on Sean McDermott Street, there was an almost permanent Garda car in there and regular Garda checkpoints on the street.

agoodpunt

1/3 of irish and some eu homeless citizens are housed in the north inner city in converted old buildings run buy some charties and funded by DCC.
The drug treatment mets clinics are pharmacies as well and cater for all of dublin inc suburbs local business have asked for mobile units to stop the extra influx coming in on dublin bus ex.
With everywhere shut they are more obvious but also less.
Society is more comfortable with this in the city centre because it keep them away their areas
they can be watched on cameras and guards or an ambulance are there when a problem arises
There is no evidence of any upsurge in mugging i frequent many times and feel safe but alwas guarded.
The acceptance of this vagrancy in our capitol is well and truly solidified though not shared with any other capital i have been or lived in, dont see anything changing as many are in need of specialist supervised care we have gone with the cheapest option and its a disgrace

spurious

HansKroenke wrote: »

What is the reason for the roaming feral youths now? Did they run drugs while the economy was open and now are just lacking "work" for want of a better word? Were they always just roaming but too afraid to do anything since the city was swarmed with workers, students, tourists and other people?

Sh*t parenting. Same as it ever was.
Much more mobile now on their scooters/bikes. Swarms of them from all parts of the city congregate elsewhere. Lockdown me arse. Much sport (and easy pickings) to be had with the deliveroo guys.

Esho

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Her Facebook and Instagram were taken down, she was live streaming it...

https://twitter.com/Nicole_Cummins1/status/1366497664016265221?s=20

Looks like all the guards were chasing an easy stat

Thelonious Monk

Straight Talker wrote: »

If you genuinely believe that you must either be living in a plastic bubble, or you are completely away with the fairies.:)

Well I've been in town all my life and never had any trouble. You see down and outs and heroin addicts and whatnot, but it's no worse than it was when I was a teenager in the 90s. Probably worse then, kids seemed rougher.
People just get carried away with saying it's so bad and awful, often people from the country sh*t themselves because a 12 year old shouted at them once. I mean I don't even know anyone who has ever had any issues in the north inner city apart from witnessing something dodgy.

Thelonious Monk

I do agree though that there are bigger gangs of kids that's more common. I think it's down to all of them having bikes and being able to meet up via social media.
To think when we were 14 or whatever we must have said ok let's meet at X at X time, and then you'd actually show up. I can't even remember how it worked.

I live in town and its grand during day, but i avoid going out at night unless its essential.
Before covid i loved the area and talbot street, but since covid most people are staying indoors and now the social issues are more visible. Its uncomfortable yeah, and you do notice more violent or antisocial behaviours but its generally grand during day if you keep to yourself. However after it gets dark the streets are so so empty apart from drug users so you do feel more vulnerable to an attack.
I dont think people have lost the run of themselves or anything, i just think covid has emptied the streets, closed all buisnesses and it just feels bit depressing and dystopian.
Must say though, the weather has improved things, people around d1 are all a bit happier atm with sun out ☀️

startrek56

Mollydog123 wrote: »

I'm 52 years living a mile from the city centre and there have always been stories about how bad it was. Other than having a bicycle stolen from beside Eason's in the 80's Ive never seen anything bad.

rife with drugs and drug dealers operating in plain sight

Thelonious Monk

startrek56 wrote: »

rife with drugs and drug dealers operating in plain sight

It's just addicts selling each other benzos and heroin. It's a big problem with inner city communities and the rougher parts of Dublin, but what is the point in the Garda arresting these low level people and addicts?
Even in the richest countries in the world you have this going on, Zurich has heroin addicts, it's just that it's something you notice more in Dublin city centre for various reasons, but they are mostly harmless.
There but for the grace of god go I, is what I remind myself when I see these broken people.

startrek56

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's just addicts selling each other benzos and heroin. It's a big problem with inner city communities and the rougher parts of Dublin, but what is the point in the Garda arresting these low level people and addicts?
Even in the richest countries in the world you have this going on, Zurich has heroin addicts, it's just that it's something you notice more in Dublin city centre for various reasons, but they are mostly harmless.
There but for the grace of god go I, is what I remind myself when I see these broken people.

if they are breaking the law, why should they get a free pass? they cant just go as they please, if they are selling/taking drugs in public, they should be arrested

Thelonious Monk

startrek56 wrote: »

if they are breaking the law, why should they get a free pass? they cant just go as they please, if they are selling/taking drugs in public, they should be arrested

What's the point in punishing people for being addicts? Whether people like it or not, they need help, and certain areas need investment and better social services.
I know they already get loads but it's not working, it would take a long time to change attitudes and outlooks in these areas.

startrek56

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

What's the point in punishing people for being addicts? Whether people like it or not, they need help, and certain areas need investment and better social services.
I know they already get loads but it's not working, it would take a long time to change attitudes and outlooks in these areas.

where do you think these addicts get money to buy drugs in the first place?

Thelonious Monk

startrek56 wrote: »

where do you think these addicts get money to buy drugs in the first place?

Wheeling and dealing, that's why you always see them trading methadone and prescription pills and begging and what not. Some of them resort to petty crime yeah but most of them dont look like they could do much harm.
I think it's only 20 euros for a Q of heroin anyway.

startrek56

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Wheeling and dealing, that's why you always see them trading methadone and prescription pills and begging and what not. Some of them resort to petty crime yeah but most of them dont look like they could do much harm.
I think it's only 20 euros for a Q of heroin anyway.

and that heroin needle is left on a bus then or you see them scattered on the street and people get hurt

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/25-000-for-teen-punctured-by-needle-1.681728

https://www.thejournal.ie/toddler-dublin-bus-2348906-Sep2015/

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/horror-as-little-boy-jabbed-by-syringe-needle-on-city-bus-30912613.html

Thelonious Monk

Yes, heroin isn't a good thing really. But locking up addicts doesn't seem to work.

Wishbone Ash

startrek56 wrote: »

... if they are selling/taking drugs in public, they should be arrested

Yes, in an ideal world but in reality, they probably have been arrested and released countless times. It just wastes Garda time and isn't a deterrant for them.

PhilOssophy

If we are talking about helping these people, we need to move the clinics out of Dublin. Its neither a good look for the city, nor helping them, to have them in the surroundings that they know only too well when they need help.
I would love to know if moving them to a drug-free facility in the middle of nowhere somewhere while they were treated/counselled, might help.
Certainly, falling out of a methodone clinic and seeing their friends off their head can't exactly be helping them get clean.
I do admit to not knowing much about addiction services but to me, they need to be moved to a facility away from all this stuff to be helped.

CucaFace

I live and work in the area so i would have been around there a lot before lockdown. I don't go into the city from the point area much these days if i can avoid it as its seriously depressing now to see the state of the place.

The Guards seem to have just given the city center to the scum and vagrants since covid started. They probably make up 20% of the people you see now when you go into the city.This has lead to more issues starting around there as they have no fear now.

The DayDream

The heroin could be solved quicker but the gardai dont want to deal with it, nor do prison officers or officials.

Dope addicts when jailed get very physically ill without any gear. Which means someone has to clean up that vomit. Also, someone has to pay for the jellies or whatever to keep them from getting sick. Prisons don't want to do that either.

The gardai would much prefer go after people for weed. Stoners are a lot less scummy, less aggressive, dont carry needles and knives. And in the eyes of the fellas who decide who gets promoted, a drug bust is a drug bust.

I think we should see if any LAPD and NYPD officers fancy coming over and sorting out the junkies here. They wouldn't need to be armed, mace and tasers and batons would be enough, the wee skangers here aren't armed either and would be a cakewalk compared to the gang members they deal with over there.

But no, it's all about cannabis that they say is worth a gazillion euros when it's really about 50k worth, half that in the countries where it's legalized and they're not in draconian lockdown

punisher5112

There is a guy goes around with a husky, he has drugs down his crotch, openly deals no bother....

Caranica

The DayDream wrote: »

The gardai would much prefer go after people for weed. Stoners are a lot less scummy, less aggressive, dont carry needles and knives. And in the eyes of the fellas who decide who gets promoted, a drug bust is a drug bust.

Why so did I walk through unavoidable clouds of smoke from weed on North Earl and Cathedral Streets on a regular basis to get to Marlborough Street pre pandemic? The Gardai were never bothered, even when the smokers were in school uniforms.