Govt to replace Direct Provision with protection system

Doctor Roast

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

^^^ Another daily mail warrior here, fucking hell.


Vax is going fine, Ireland will be the most vaccinated country in the world by August, per head. But that's for other threads, not here.


are you going to ask about bendy bananas and white dog shit next?

Yeah but vax really isn't going fine... They're fighting like ferrets in a sack.. Plenty of talking all the same.

Anyhooo the migration pact is just EU migrant quotas repackaged....

"Europe needs migrants to tackle its demographic decline, but disorderly migration often leads to exploitation, human trafficking and tragedy."

https://ec.europa.eu/ireland/news/key-eu-policy-areas/migration_en

SexBobomb

Doctor Roast wrote: »

Yeah but vax really isn't going fine... They're fighting like ferrets in a sack.. Plenty of talking all the same.

Anyhooo the migration pact is just EU migrant quotas repackaged....

"Europe needs migrants to tackle its demographic decline, but disorderly migration often leads to exploitation, human trafficking and tragedy."

https://ec.europa.eu/ireland/news/key-eu-policy-areas/migration_en

Was there even a discussion on promoting bigger families and higher birth rates here or did they just jump straight to low skill immigration ?

Doctor Roast

SexBobomb wrote: »

Was there even a discussion on promoting bigger families and higher birth rates here or did they just jump straight to low skill immigration ?

Exactly, at least Hungary tried to introduce incentives for Hungarians to have more children..
Not some deluded social experiment that's bound to fail

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/02/11/have-four-or-more-babies-in-hungary-and-youll-pay-no-income-tax-for-life.html

Tacitus Kilgore

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The asylum seeker is taking money from the tax net, causing high taxation on that worker

The asylum seekers accommodation is taking up land on which more housing could be built, raising house prices.

Non EU migration is an overall negative to Ireland and every asylum seeker we allow in hurts our workers and young people in economic terms.

I refuse to accept the tiny affect this would have on taxes/land prices as reason that we are where we are. It barely matters when you look at the billions gone out the gap.

They spent the price of the glass bottles site on DP in a decade, how many other tracts of land were bought and left sit idle along with it? with the money gone straight into private hands - like the DP money too. It's not the asylum seekers, or the immigrants, but they're a handy scapegoat.

doublejobbing 2

Roderic O'Gorman coming up on Matt Cooper. Unlike most Cooper bits, seemingly no opposing voice in the room.

If the most obvious question is asked, namely "Minister, in the middle of a housing crisis, with our national debt climbing out of control, where young people are unable to acquire mortgage deposits because they are paying a fortune in rent but are outside the social housing threshold, where thousands of those within the social housing threshold are living in overcrowded housing or in black hole HAP schemes, how can you possibly justify giving all but free rental properties from the social and private rental stock to people who have been in the country three months? A measure which will leave natives on the housing list longer and will cause an increase in rent as less properties will be on the market"

If that is asked I'll eat my hat. Does O'Gorman still live with his parents or what is his game.

doublejobbing 2

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Roderic O'Gorman coming up on Matt Cooper. Unlike most Cooper bits, seemingly no opposing voice in the room.

If the most obvious question is asked, namely "Minister, in the middle of a housing crisis, with our national debt climbing out of control, where young people are unable to acquire mortgage deposits because they are paying a fortune in rent but are outside the social housing threshold, where thousands of those within the social housing threshold are living in overcrowded housing or in black hole HAP schemes, how can you possibly justify giving all but free rental properties from the social and private rental stock to people who have been in the country three months? A measure which will leave natives on the housing list longer and will cause an increase in rent as less properties will be on the market"

If that is asked I'll eat my hat. Does O'Gorman still live with his parents or what is his game.

Let us know how it goes, I assume it'll be a back patting exercise by them both, telling each other what great humanitarians they are

Esho

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Roderic O'Gorman coming up on Matt Cooper. Unlike most Cooper bits, seemingly no opposing voice in the room.

If the most obvious question is asked, namely "Minister, in the middle of a housing crisis, with our national debt climbing out of control, where young people are unable to acquire mortgage deposits because they are paying a fortune in rent but are outside the social housing threshold, where thousands of those within the social housing threshold are living in overcrowded housing or in black hole HAP schemes, how can you possibly justify giving all but free rental properties from the social and private rental stock to people who have been in the country three months? A measure which will leave natives on the housing list longer and will cause an increase in rent as less properties will be on the market"

If that is asked I'll eat my hat. Does O'Gorman still live with his parents or what is his game.

Reading between the lines, this means that Asylum Seekers will get 4 months paid accommodation and then be told to leave and get your own gaff - this is what " they will be housed in the community" means.

It translates as "not the governments responsibility anymore".

Beechwoodspark

He’s on RTÉ drive time at moment.

Esho

Esho wrote: »

Reading between the lines, this means that Asylum Seekers will get 4 months paid accommodation and then be told to leave and get your own gaff - this is what " they will be housed in the community" means.

It translates as "not the governments responsibility anymore".

No, that's not what is happening. They will spend anywhere between 1 and 16 weeks in a reception center then they will be given the accommodation

One other question, can someone explain what this means:

"The process of integration into society will begin on arrival into the country"

If the vast majority fail the process, why are they been integrated instantly into society on arrival? Is it so they can't then be deported because their kids are in school, they play with local gaa team etc....

Beechwoodspark

Extremely biased one sided treatment by RTÉ just now.

TomTomTim

Deleted User wrote: »

One other question, can someone explain what this means:

"The process of integration into society will begin on arrival into the country"

If the vast majority fail the process, why are they been integrated instantly into society on arrival? Is it so they can't then be deported because their kids are in school, they play with local gaa team etc....

Deportations rarely happen, so it's inline with that, which of course is another sign of how insane our policies are.

Beechwoodspark

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Extremely biased one sided treatment by RTÉ just now.

I'm stunned

titan18

Esho wrote: »

Reading between the lines, this means that Asylum Seekers will get 4 months paid accommodation and then be told to leave and get your own gaff - this is what " they will be housed in the community" means.

It translates as "not the governments responsibility anymore".

No 4 months in a government center then a house that they'll pay "rent" on (which we know from social housing is feck all and doesn't need to be paid)

Jizique

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Roderic O'Gorman coming up on Matt Cooper. Unlike most Cooper bits, seemingly no opposing voice in the room.

If the most obvious question is asked, namely "Minister, in the middle of a housing crisis, with our national debt climbing out of control, where young people are unable to acquire mortgage deposits because they are paying a fortune in rent but are outside the social housing threshold, where thousands of those within the social housing threshold are living in overcrowded housing or in black hole HAP schemes, how can you possibly justify giving all but free rental properties from the social and private rental stock to people who have been in the country three months? A measure which will leave natives on the housing list longer and will cause an increase in rent as less properties will be on the market"

If that is asked I'll eat my hat. Does O'Gorman still live with his parents or what is his game.

Can those who approve of this (at best 20% of pop) just pay extra taxes to fund all this virtue signaling freeloading and not inflict it on the rest of us - I truly despair of this country sometimes.

At least we know where the money from the European covid relief scheme will go. Has anyone noticed that interest rates are rising and we can no longer borrow for free?
The problem with all the ECB bond buying is that it allows govts to make stupid fcuking decisions like this with no consequences - i don’t think I have come across a worse long term decision in the last decade

statesaver

What are the chances the next government will quietly shelve this idea ?

statesaver

statesaver wrote: »

What are the chances the next government will quietly shelve this idea ?

None. The next government will be made up of the same parties or else Sinn Fein. If it's Sinn Fein I'd expect them to significantly relax the new system even more

suicide_circus

If this happens in conjunction with a marked increase in deportations, no increase in applicants and with no additional pressure on the housing supply then its all good.

landofthetree

statesaver wrote: »

What are the chances the next government will quietly shelve this idea ?

The next government will be SF and the alphabet.

Can't see them shelving it.

suicide_circus

suicide_circus wrote: »

If this happens in conjunction with a marked increase in deportations, no increase in applicants and with no additional pressure on the housing supply then its all good.

Indeed, can't see that happening though.

titan18

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

that's not liberalism, liberalism wants low govt intervention, low taxes & free market capitalism. Thats not what SF are about (I don't know what they're about tbh but they argue for a 32 county SOCIALIST republic)

You don't even know what you're giving out about - probably just read it on infowars or some other american soapbox.

Libertarianism is the low government and low tax one. All our parties are very socially liberal, including SF.

landofthetree

suicide_circus wrote: »

If this happens in conjunction with a marked increase in deportations, no increase in applicants and with no additional pressure on the housing supply then its all good.

Agreed. We have signed up to international treaties and agree to take our fair share of refugees.

To help these refugees we must reject all bogus claims so they can get the best help possible.

Kivaro

Deleted User wrote: »

One other question, can someone explain what this means:

"The process of integration into society will begin on arrival into the country"

If the vast majority fail the process, why are they been integrated instantly into society on arrival? Is it so they can't then be deported because their kids are in school, they play with local gaa team etc....

This is the crux of the NGO plan, which is now being implemented by our elected officials in government. As long as an asylum migrant who can get to Ireland then they are here for good at our expense. This is why they want integration to start immediately ..... even if the asylum seeker has a criminal history in their home country.

There also should be clarity on the accommodation that they receive after 3 to 4 months. When they get their own apartment or house after the initial time in a reception centre, then that's their property for good even if their asylum application is eventually rejected after numerous appeals. We know this by the Dept. of Housing report, which states that:

The DHPLG notes the very high rate of rejection and the very low rate of deportation currently, and notes the far more likely scenario that this cohort will try to remain in the State without supports. At present those who receive negative decisions and exhaust the courts process can stay on in direct provision centres.

So even now when their applications fail, they are still allowed to remain in Direct Provision centres indefinitely with everything paid for them. This will hold true too for those getting houses or apartments. If they fail in their asylum application, they still to keep the homes that we provide them for free.

Esho

Esho wrote: »

Reading between the lines, this means that Asylum Seekers will get 4 months paid accommodation and then be told to leave and get your own gaff - this is what " they will be housed in the community" means.

It translates as "not the governments responsibility anymore".

I think you're the only person in the country that has interpreted it that way.

titan18

Let's not forget these lads want to reverse the 04 referendum too so it won't even matter if they're rejected, once they had a kid, they're here for good if they manage to do that.

landofthetree

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

that's not liberalism, liberalism wants low govt intervention, low taxes & free market capitalism. Thats not what SF are about (I don't know what they're about tbh but they argue for a 32 county SOCIALIST republic)

You don't even know what you're giving out about - probably just read it on infowars or some other american soapbox.

That's what is called classical liberialism.

Classical liberals argued for what they called a minimal state, limited to the following functions:

A government to protect individual rights and to provide services that cannot be provided in a free market.
A common national defence to provide protection against foreign invaders.[17]
Laws to provide protection for citizens from wrongs committed against them by other citizens, which included protection of private property, enforcement of contracts and common law.
Building and maintaining public institutions.
Public works that included a stable currency, standard weights and measures and building and upkeep of roads, canals, harbours, railways, communications and postal services.

In modern times the world liberal has come to mean almost the opposite of what it used to mean. If you look at the dictionary liberal "means of or pertaining to freedom". Today liberal means "of or pertaining to freedom with other peoples money".

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statesaver

Deleted User wrote: »

None. The next government will be made up of the same parties or else Sinn Fein. If it's Sinn Fein I'd expect them to significantly relax the new system even more

True.

SF - Brits out everyone else in :pac: Clowns

titan18

titan18 wrote: »

Let's not forget these lads want to reverse the 04 referendum too so it won't even matter if they're rejected, once they had a kid, they're here for good if they manage to do that.

That's been pushed by Labour and Sinn Fein mainly along with the smaller far left parties. I'd expect that referendum result to be reversed once Sinn Fein are in power

MrMusician18

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Extremely biased one sided treatment by RTÉ just now.

When they do eventually get an opposing voice it will certainly be some raving right wing lunatic. All so they can claim balance but also so whatever they say can be dismissed. They would never have someone who can make eloquent reasoned opposition.

MarkY91

[Deleted User] wrote: »

None. The next government will be made up of the same parties or else Sinn Fein. If it's Sinn Fein I'd expect them to significantly relax the new system even more

Which parties would be on the opposite end of the scale? Any at all?