Govt to replace Direct Provision with protection system

fantaiscool

Danzy wrote: »

It's not a coincidence that O'Gorman went to the London School of Economics and Trinity, Dublin.

Rarefied existence and outlook.

He's highly intelligence and very well educated?

mgn

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Its one way for vehicles all along Blackrock, Dun Laoghaire now replaced with a cycle lane noone uses.

Absolute disgrace what they have shoe horned in.

How have they managed to get so much power?

Hazel Chu the mayor???

Who sanctioned all this?????

And the through in a Senate seat for Catherine Martins brother for good measure.

Any one that think Greens are any different to the rest are greatly mistaken.

Hamachi

fantaiscool wrote: »

I'm seeing some people with a very unhealthy obsession with Roderick...

Isn’t democratic process wonderful that we, the Irish people, the electorate, are free to express our pleasure and displeasure with our elected representatives?

kildare lad

Geuze wrote: »

Am I mad to think that a reasonable party with reasonable policies would get support:

• all policies as much as possible, to be pro-worker - improved social insurance, reduced social assistance
  
• no marginal tax rate for anybody above 50%, tax reliefs for high earners reduced
  
• Healthcare: 12week targets for referral and care (planned by Slaintecare) to be implemented, by reducing waste/duplication, re-configuring hosps, taking on vested interests. Either move to UHI or Slaintecare, so people can drop their insurance
  
• a simple 4-point Migration policy:
  (1) encourage Irish migrants to return
  (2) EU migration welcome
  (3) non-EU migration restricted
  (4) bogus AS deported
  
• Housing: State intervention to reduce costs, not boost demand, schemes to boost demand abolished, replaced with policies to massively reduce land/site/finance costs and profit margins

Macron in France seemed to start and grow a movement, could something be done here??

You'd be doing well to get some people home , I've a cousin who's a nurse in Oz and she'd never come back here to do nursing . There health system is way better than here. Id a mate over there that fxcked up his back on site , he had an operation within 3 months to fix it . I've a friend here that was waiting 4 years for an operation on his neck here. They've warm weather, good wages , great healthcare and a strong Irish community, if australia wasn't so far away I'd live there myself . I've two more cousins in new Zealand and another in canada , they'll never be coming back to live . It's such a same because they all have trades and can support themselves while are politicians want to fill the country up with life long welfare dependants . We're 220 billion in debt sure let's build a house for everyone's that's just arrived here. It's very frustrating seeing how out of touch with reality they are.

Labour want to get rid of the anchor baby ruling and now the greens want to house anyone within 4 months of arriving here , besides the far left college woke sjw brigade and NGOs there's very little support for it . Do they think money grows on trees or are they just willing to keep building our debt up till the arse fall out of our trousers . Its a pity we don't have a viable main stream party that'll actually stand up to these clowns of politicans and NGOs and say we can't afford it , enough is enough

Sir Oxman

*mod snip - off topic ranting removed

mgn

fantaiscool wrote: »

:D:D


That's terrible language to be using towards an elected TD who is doing a superb job at the moment. The people who have suffered for too long in Direct Provision are celebrating tonight as are the general public. Direct Provision saw people having to go on hunger strikes due to the situation which is really awful and thankfully it's going to be rectified. Irish people tonight are delighted that their country is doing it's part to help people who need the help. Can you not just see the positive? This is a feel good story for the country. Have a glass of wine like I am doing tonight.

You must have a few bottles drank if you think its a feel good story.

mgn

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

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I added some dramatic effect....

Poor Tenia, I wonder did he get his gym membership after all that, poor lad, must have being traumatised by it all.

Kingkong

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

that's not liberalism, liberalism wants low govt intervention, low taxes & free market capitalism. Thats not what SF are about (I don't know what they're about tbh but they argue for a 32 county SOCIALIST republic)

You don't even know what you're giving out about - probably just read it on infowars or some other american soapbox.

Kilgore your correct I meant socialist (corrected now)

On your other comment, you don't know what I'm giving about. I do, I pay my way in this country paying for the front-line services we need, I'm entitled to have a strong opinion on where my hard-earned taxes I give each month go too. Anyone who see's almost half if their pay go out in taxes knows exactly where I am coming from.

How about you give an opinion instead of trolling your recent posts say a lot about your character

Gatling

It's funny people proclaiming to be celebrating this decision yet the people in dp are free to leave anytime they choose ,and many return to their countries of origins for holidays despite claiming they fled for their lives from their countries

Kingkong

kildare lad wrote: »

... Its a pity we don't have a viable main stream party that'll actually stand up to these clowns of politicans and NGOs and say we can't afford it , enough is enough

Fully agree current government parties are not doing what their suppose to do. My own opinion is the main parties are trying to appeal to Sein Fein Voter stock and reality does not feature. Its going to take another Boom to Bust cycle with another 50 billion added to the national debt before the lesson will be re learned:eek:

Regardless of the merits of changes in the asylum process we cannot afford to spend more money on it. Every penny more needs to be borrowed which isn't right. It would be better to set hard limits, reduce the numbers in the system by 1/3 and give those remaining a better change to contribute to Ireland inc.

mgn

Gatling wrote: »

It's funny people proclaiming to be celebrating this decision yet the people in dp are free to leave anytime they choose ,and many return to their countries of origins for holidays despite claiming they fled for their lives from their countries

The also continue to stay there after getting a job,

I mean why would you move out and have to pay rent elsewhere, the good old taxpayer will pick up the tab.

FromADistance

kildare lad wrote: »

You'd be doing well to get some people home , I've a cousin who's a nurse in Oz and she'd never come back here to do nursing . There health system is way better than here. Id a mate over there that fxcked up his back on site , he had an operation within 3 months to fix it . I've a friend here that was waiting 4 years for an operation on his neck here. They've warm weather, good wages , great healthcare and a strong Irish community, if australia wasn't so far away I'd live there myself . I've two more cousins in new Zealand and another in canada , they'll never be coming back to live . It's such a same because they all have trades and can support themselves while are politicians want to fill the country up with life long welfare dependants . We're 220 billion in debt sure let's build a house for everyone's that's just arrived here. It's very frustrating seeing how out of touch with reality they are.

Labour want to get rid of the anchor baby ruling and now the greens want to house anyone within 4 months of arriving here , besides the far left college woke sjw brigade and NGOs there's very little support for it . Do they think money grows on trees or are they just willing to keep building our debt up till the arse fall out of our trousers . Its a pity we don't have a viable main stream party that'll actually stand up to these clowns of politicans and NGOs and say we can't afford it , enough is enough

And people wonder why Brexit happened. The Irish are tolerant people but I fear for our future in the EU without the UK pushing against what I see as an 'open door' immigration policy at an EU level. Ireland is given their quote and basically told 'sort it out'. Coupled with our lax policing of asylum seekers as it stands and our generous welfare system, we're a soft touch. Can you imagine how bad things would have been had people not voted to shut down the 'anchor baby' backdoor right to automatic citizenship? Labour now want to reexamine that and I have no doubt that it would have cross party support across the left. Uncontrolled immigration policy has failed the world over but yet the same mistakes are repeated over and over again. Utter madness.

Gatling

mgn wrote: »

The also continue to stay there after getting a job,

I mean why would you move out and have to pay rent elsewhere, the good old taxpayer will pick up the tab.

There is a good few who have been granted asylum and are refusing to leave dp ,yet some on here trying to equate dp to mother and baby homes

Doctor Roast

The last few years has seen a change here in Ireland, politicians feel absolutely no sense of duty to the Irish people who elect and pay their wages, I also notice them trying to act more international in things that are none of our business, they're project implementation managers for the EU and other organisations

kildare lad

Kingkong wrote: »

Fully agree current government parties are not doing what their suppose to do. My own opinion is the main parties are trying to appeal to Sein Fein Voter stock and reality does not feature. Its going to take another Boom to Bust cycle with another 50 billion added to the national debt before the lesson will be re learned:eek:

Regardless of the merits of changes in the asylum process we cannot afford to spend more money on it. Every penny more needs to be borrowed which isn't right. It would be better to set hard limits, reduce the numbers in the system by 1/3 and give those remaining a better change to contribute to Ireland inc.

Don't forget theres interest building up too on top of everything that's borrowed . Interest payments alone are 10 billion a year . The vulture funds must be rubbing their greedy hands again waiting for the economy to burst.

Geuze

MadYaker wrote: »

You're right lads it's the end of the world as we know it :rolleyes: Has anyone actually said we'll be taking more of them than we used to? I didn't see it in the article.

We already have two schemes to accept refugees.

4,000 + 2,900 = 6,900


The plan today is about housing AS.

There is no figure, as we don't control how many land on our shores.

I suspect that deciding to give them all housing within a few months might increase the numbers?

Geuze

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

FG are afraid to speak up on any issue after years of been slated and criticised over every small issue.

Yes.

I am friendly with the spouse of a FG politician.

The spouse often says: "but sure you can't say that", in the context of something is true, but it isn't acceptable to state it.

As in, the spouse and the politician know things to be true, but don't state them, due to the political climate in Ireland.

Rodin

The country needs a proper centre-right wing govt

Mules

Geuze wrote: »

Yes.

I am friendly with the spouse of a FG politician.

The spouse often says: "but sure you can't say that", in the context of something is true, but it isn't acceptable to state it.

As in, the spouse and the politician know things to be true, but don't state them, due to the political climate in Ireland.

Interesting

Geuze

Gatling wrote: »

It's funny people proclaiming to be celebrating this decision yet the people in dp are free to leave anytime they choose ,and many return to their countries of origins for holidays despite claiming they fled for their lives from their countries

Yes, that is a classic, how can anybody defend that?

After their AS claim is accepted, they then return to their country of birth, "for a holiday"???

Several of them have openly stated that, and weren't challenged by the media.

I'm fleeing persecution.....later.......ah, I'll go back for a visit.

mgn

Gatling wrote: »

There is a good few who have been granted asylum and are refusing to leave dp ,yet some on here trying to equate dp to mother and baby homes

All vested interested, the are all well schooled on their rights, the know that if the stay there, the will get priority on the housing list.

Geuze

Rodin wrote: »

The country needs a proper centre-right wing govt

There seems a huge gap, which surely FG should be covering??

Surely they have staff who analyses these things??

Or are they simply moving left as society has moved left??

Rezident

wpd wrote: »

Irish families living in hotel rooms
people paying huge rents and mortgages

rock up to Dublin airport with an auld story, theres a house for you, free medical, free legal aid
would you like to study for a free degree, how about free transport, free food, sure you need some money to
get some furniture, what about some new clothes

Oh you came here through the UK but you didnt bother claiming refugee status there, sure thats no problem
and when you get refugee status you want to go back for holidays to visit your family, sure of course you do

what a joke of a country this is

What little respect left for this government is surely ebbing away. Choosing virtue signalling optics over their own beleaguered tax payers. FG + FF should both burn for this.

kildare lad

Geuze wrote: »

Yes.

I am friendly with the spouse of a FG politician.

The spouse often says: "but sure you can't say that", in the context of something is true, but it isn't acceptable to state it.

As in, the spouse and the politician know things to be true, but don't state them, due to the political climate in Ireland.

Not a backbone among them , take the easy ride until they get their massive pension at the end of the rainbow . Although peter caseys percentage points shot right up when he said them things about travellers during the presidential election . All the woke brigade got their knickers in a twist over it but he was only stating what a vast amount of people think .

mgn

Rezident wrote: »

What little respect left for this government is surely ebbing away. Choosing virtue signalling optics over their own beleaguered tax payers. FG + FF should both burn for this.

The Greens should burn first, this is their baby,

MrMusician18

mgn wrote: »

The Greens should burn first, this is their baby,

I wonder what the CO2 emissions would be like

Gatling

Geuze wrote: »

Yes, that is a classic, how can anybody defend that?

After their AS claim is accepted, they then return to their country of birth, "for a holiday"???

Several of them have openly stated that, and weren't challenged by the media.

I'm fleeing persecution.....later.......ah, I'll go back for a visit.

I remember I think rte News were at citizenship ceremony and they asked a young girl what it meant to to her ,she was around 10 years old she replied it means my mother can travel back to Nigeria here and not get questioned ,

Your fleeing persocution and threats to your life and yet you regularly return to that country ,
It's a joke of a system

mgn

Doctor Roast wrote: »

The last few years has seen a change here in Ireland, politicians feel absolutely no sense of duty to the Irish people who elect and pay their wages, I also notice them trying to act more international in things that are none of our business, they're project implementation managers for the EU and other organisations

Its the same few politicians wheeled out for everything, all media trained to within an inch of their lives.
A poster a few pages back named 5 TDs in their area, I dident recognize one of them and I doubt a lot of people are the same, just the same few on everything.

Jinglejangle69

Geuze wrote: »

There seems a huge gap, which surely FG should be covering??

Surely they have staff who analyses these things??

Or are they simply moving left as society has moved left??

When FG get criticised every day for years about da homeless etc etc then do poorly in the election they think they should change tactics.

They are only going which way the wind blows like all the parties.

Disappointing.

They should have stuck to their principles and they would have kept been the most popular party.

kildare lad

Gatling wrote: »

I remember I think rte News were at citizenship ceremony and they asked a young girl what it meant to to her ,she was around 10 years old she replied it means my mother can travel back to Nigeria here and not get questioned ,

Your fleeing persocution and threats to your life and yet you regularly return to that country ,
It's a joke of a system

She'll have some good news to tell them the next time she goes to Nigeria . The land of milk and honey awaits