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Govt to replace Direct Provision with protection system

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    #842
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Not getting into a wider conversation on this, but there are asylum seekers in my home town, much smaller then longford. No issues.
    There was a DP centre there in the early 2000s also, there were no issues.
    Who other than the taxpayer do you think is paying for provision of services to those Asylum seekers. You offer no evidence as to whether these are legitimate asylum seekers or not. My experience of small town rural Irish life is that opportunities are few and far between and people in the locality will be in competition with those new arrivers for mimimum wage jobs within months.


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    #843
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Who other than the taxpayer do you think is paying for provision of services to those Asylum seekers. You offer no evidence as to whether these are legitimate asylum seekers or not. My experience of small town rural Irish life is that opportunities are few and far between and people in the locality will be in competition with those new arrivers for mimimum wage jobs within months.

    Obviously the tax payer is paying, who else would be?
    I'm guessing their claims have not been dealt with, that's Why They are asylum seekers, when their claims are finished they won't be asylum seekers anymore.
    There are no jobs, full stop!


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    #844
    TomTomTim
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    Doctor Roast wrote: »
    The EU has an obsession with diversity... I wouldn't be surprised if they're behind a lot of this, for their own reasons of course...

    https://ec.europa.eu/migrant-integration/news/housing-crisis-in-ireland-prevents-refugees-from-moving-out-of-direct-provision

    I remember reading about EU law in relation to corporations in college. While diversity wasn't legally enforced, if a company wasn't diverse they were asked to justify why they weren't diverse. So if they can't do it by law, they'll try their best to shame companies into being diverse.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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    #845
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Obviously the tax payer is paying, who else would be?
    I'm guessing their claims have not been dealt with, that's Why They are asylum seekers, when their claims are finished they won't be asylum seekers anymore.
    There are no jobs, full stop!
    You admit to be "guessing"
    "The DHPLG notes the very high rate of rejection and the very low rate of deportation currently, and notes the far more likely scenario that this cohort will try to remain in the State without supports. At present those who receive negative decisions and exhaust the courts process can stay on in direct provision centres."
    http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/JELR/DHLGH%20Observations%20on%20draft%20Advisory%20Group%20report%2014092020.pdf/Files/DHLGH%20Observations%20on%20draft%20Advisory%20Group%20report%2014092020.pdf


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    #846
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You admit to be "guessing"
    "The DHPLG notes the very high rate of rejection and the very low rate of deportation currently, and notes the far more likely scenario that this cohort will try to remain in the State without supports. At present those who receive negative decisions and exhaust the courts process can stay on in direct provision centres."
    http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/JELR/DHLGH%20Observations%20on%20draft%20Advisory%20Group%20report%2014092020.pdf/Files/DHLGH%20Observations%20on%20draft%20Advisory%20Group%20report%2014092020.pdf

    You misunderstood me.
    Their claims have not been dealt with because they are asylum seekers.
    When their claims are finished they will not be asylum seekers anymore


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    #847
    Tea drinker
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    Mike Murdock wrote: »
    The Middle Class "Socialists" that make up the Modern Far Left don't give a **** about the working class.

    They despise them.
    And the non working class already on the tit of the working / middle class absolutely despise anyone earning a wage as they aren't contributing enough to their "I'm sitting on mehole for the rest of my life" fund
    Infini wrote: »
    Saying they're going to give Asylum seekers houses when people here are struggling to even afford to buy one is just going to backfire spetacularly and this should be shot down very quickly.
    Well, is it being shot down in the Sunday papers today? Or are people bending over as usual?
    Any party or group which goes against this policy will be attacked by a billion euro industry (that we ourselves pay for) for being racist and far right.
    The widespread anti white racist attacks in Blanchardstown and other areas being filmed and put online will have to become far more widespread in order for some backlash, and unfortunately things will fester until that backlash inevitably includes racism, something the immigrant councils are supposedly against.
    So we are financing attacks on ourselves, paying groups to shut down debate, but any day now we will all wake up?
    OK.


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    #848
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    You misunderstood me.
    Their claims have not been dealt with because they are asylum seekers.
    When their claims are finished they will not be asylum seekers anymore
    I haven't misunderstood you. Elaborate on the difference to the tax payer of an asylum seeker in direct provision or "own door" accommodation and a declined asylum seeker in direct provision or "own door" accommodation who isn't being deported.


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    #849
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I haven't misunderstood you. Elaborate on the difference to the tax payer of an asylum seeker direct provision or "own door" accommodation and a declined asylum seeker in direct provision or "own door" accommodation who isn't being deported.

    They don't provide accommodation for failed asylum seekers.
    The process is ridiculous and far too long.
    All claims should be dealt with within 4 months, then this issue would not even arise.


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    #850
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    They don't provide accommodation for failed asylum seekers.
    I provided a quote from an official article which contradicts you.
    You have an established pattern on this thread of disregarding proven facts which run contrary to your viewpoint.


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    #851
    malinheader
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I assure this is not happening in Germany. The welfare system is not as generous in Ireland and they kick people off the welfare system quickly and they are then expected to pay their own way. They aren't displacing the lowly paid citizens in Germany as much because there is a genuine labour shortage in Germany. Germany still has its issues with receiving aslyum seekers but are in a better place to mitigate those issues and AfD are providing a genuine alternative party to vote for(although it may be a haunt for unreformed Racists).
    People in Ireland appear to have this feeling of guilt for the misfortunes of others in the world outside Europe which allows them to be exploited by bogus asylum seekers.
    Don't blame Europe because your enemies who are undermining your future and the future of your children are in Ireland, not Brussels.

    Agree with most of your post but I still think it's in the EUs interest to swamp us with migrants dependent on hand outs which this country will not be fit to sustain so Big brother EU can step in and bail us out.
    All the while this is happening we become another multicultural siht hole like some other places.


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    #852
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    malinheader wrote: »
    Agree with most of your post but I still think it's in the EUs interest to swamp us with migrants dependent on hand outs which this country will not be fit to sustain so Big brother EU can step in and bail us out.
    All the while this is happening we become another multicultural siht hole like some other places.
    This post belongs in the Conspiracy Theory forum and undermines those who are genuinely aggrieved by Government policy which runs counter purpose to the best interests of Irish Citizens.


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    #853
    quintana76
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I provided a quote from an official article which contradicts you.
    You have an established pattern on this thread of disregarding proven facts which run contrary to your viewpoint.

    Direct Provision is accommodation for failed asylum seekers whilst they repeatedly appeal the original decision up to the point of Judicial Review in the High Court if they so desire.
    A judicial review can cost up to 100,000 euro a go. Guess who pays? Guess what profession makes a killing?

    The good trick is to come with kids and integrate them into local schools during the lengthy appeals process, then gets activist teachers and NGO's to call on the minister for a right to remain. Media pressure will force an already willing Minister to concede.

    The point is that Direct Provision is for FAILED asylum seekers.


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    #854
    Gatling
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    They don't provide accommodation for failed asylum seekers.

    Well if they aren't deporting them and they aren't leaving the state they are obviously been still accommodated here
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    #855
    political analyst
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    Montage of Feck wrote: »
    Without a faster, more stringent asylum process being implemented in conjunction with this it will be a disaster for taxpayers.

    The asylum process was changed to reduce its length but the change couldn't be applied to cases in which applications for asylum were made before the change in the system commenced.


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    #856
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I provided a quote from an official article which contradicts you.
    You have an established pattern on this thread of disregarding proven facts which run contrary to your viewpoint.

    No, once they have finished, completely finished, there are 3 outcomes.
    Deportation, leave themselves or disappear
    Only deportation costs the tax payer anything.
    I don't have any pattern in this thread, would you like to point it out?


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    #857
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    No, once they have finished, completely finished, there are 3 outcomes.
    Deportation, leave themselves or disappear
    Only deportation costs the tax payer anything.
    I don't have any pattern in this thread, would you like to point it out?
    Time expended on you only drags the conversation off topic, so no.


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    #858
    Doctor Roast
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    TomTomTim wrote: »
    I remember reading about EU law in relation to corporations in college. While diversity wasn't legally enforced, if a company wasn't diverse they were asked to justify why they weren't diverse. So if they can't do it by law, they'll try their best to shame companies into being diverse.

    You're either a free sovereign country with strong identity and culture or you trade it off to become an EU member of diverse economic units


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    #859
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    Gatling wrote: »
    Well if they aren't deporting them and they aren't leaving the state they are obviously been still accommodated here

    They are called illegals.
    The state don't support illegals


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    #860
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Time expended on you only drags the conversation off topic, so no.

    Can't prove it because it's not true.
    I have approx 5 posts on this thread.


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    #861
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Can't prove it because it's not true.
    I have approx 5 posts on this thread.
    Between this thread and the Multiculturism thread your modus operandii is clear to see. Please stop addressing me as you don't debate with any sincerity. You feign ignorance when it suits, push falsehoods as facts...all the tools of the trade of a discussion disrupter to divert discussion while not falling foul of Moderators.


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    #862
    Gradius
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    It's as simple as this, the quality of life in Ireland is indirectly reduced by this asylum nonsense and the wider implications of inward migration.

    There is a silent price for the ridiculous costs of housing in this country. It negatively impacts relationships, negatively impacts having children, negatively impacts normal familyhood, negatively impacts employment, negatively impacts community and sense of belonging, and from these examples and much more it also negatively impacts mental health.

    Forgetting anything to do with cultural antagonism, the simple truth is that more people arriving into this country is bad news for everyone here. Those naturalisation "celebrations" alone have introduced over 130'000 extra people.

    Birth rates among Irish people are on a downward trajectory, birthrates of non-irish are on an upward trajectory. It's easy to understand why. It is increasingly difficult for Irish people to have families, it is increasingly easier for non-irish to have families. 1 in 4 people on housing lists are not from this country, and it's only increasing.

    Of course then the excuse is trotted out of aging populations and not enough young people, so let's invite even more people in and roll out the benefits. But that's like adding petrol on to a fire to extinguish it, just insanity.

    The whole thing is disgraceful, and history is going to be VERY unkind to every arsehole that supports these policies when it's all said and done.


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    #863
    vriesmays
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    Why would anyone up North want a united Ireland when we're importing chancers from the 3rd world.


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    #864
    Tea drinker
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    @Gradius, pretty much everything you said is right, yet the meeja and politicians remain silent, and there are few "far right" and alt-right" or "facists" rallying against this. Until the "pro immigration to social welfare" industry is defunded it will have vastly more power than voters here. Anyone against it can be labelled per above.


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    #865
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    They are called illegals.
    The state don't support illegals

    The state have just announced in a separate scheme that we are giving tens of thousands of illegals Irish citizenship, so the state definitely do support illegals


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    #866
    TomTomTim
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    The state have just announced in a separate scheme that we are giving tens of thousands of illegals Irish citizenship, so the state definitely do support illegals

    And never forget, that the ever dishonest left, constantly tell us that Irish mainstream parties are right wing. While definitions change and evolve, you can't argue with a straight face that anyone who's actually right wing would support a system that all allows thousands of illegals to live freely in our country with little to no risk of deportation.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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    #867
    Mike Murdock
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    TomTomTim wrote: »
    And never forget, that the ever dishonest left, constantly tell us that Irish mainstream parties are right wing. While definitions change and evolve, you can't argue with a straight face that anyone who's actually right wing would support a system that all allows thousands of illegals to live freely in our country with little to no risk of deportation.

    It's getting to the point where I am looking to sell up and leave here. Leave Europe altogether.

    I'm paying enough in taxes to support Irish wasters here, and now with the economy decimated due to Covid, I'll be expected to pay more to house, clothe, feed, and educate a potentially never-ending stream of "Asylum Seekers" i.e economic migrants?

    To hell with that.


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    #868
    quintana76
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    Mike Murdock wrote: »
    It's getting to the point where I am looking to sell up and leave here. Leave Europe altogether.

    I'm paying enough in taxes to support Irish wasters here, and now with the economy decimated due to Covid, I'll be expected to pay more to house, clothe, feed, and educate a potentially never-ending stream of "Asylum Seekers" i.e economic migrants?

    To hell with that.

    Under the new policy there will no limit to the number of 'asylum seekers. They will get (in a short period of time) front-door accommodation no matter how bogus or laughable are the claims of their applications or the conditions in their place of origin.

    This is being foisted on us during a lockdown with 5km maximum travel. The expected recession and tax hikes post Covid when jobs will be hard to come by is of no consequence to our 'leaders'. Despite this we will still have to pay for unlimited numbers of scammers.
    Just imagine what rents and house prices will be like.

    Our own people will have to emigrate to be replaced by more and more scammers with the eventual fracture of social cohesion.
    It is either through treachery or madness that this is being proposed. Take your pick.


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    #869
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Between this thread and the Multiculturism thread your modus operandii is clear to see. Please stop addressing me as you don't debate with any sincerity. You feign ignorance when it suits, push falsehoods as facts...all the tools of the trade of a discussion disrupter to divert discussion while not falling foul of Moderators.

    And yet I haven't disagreed with anyone in this thread.
    So, tis you that tell lies.


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    #870
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    And yet I haven't disagreed with anyone in this thread.
    So, tis you that tell lies.
    Not engaging with you. You're a devious so and so.


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    #871
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Not engaging with you. You're a devious so and so.

    :)


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