Govt to replace Direct Provision with protection system

Gatling

zell12 wrote: »

A Few years ago, we took in real Syrian refugees from camps in Lebanon, Greece, Italy. They were put into orientation centres, then into HAP housing with every assistance from the State.

Wasn't there a case in Meath I think where the local authority purchased two 5 bed houses next door to each other for one Syrian family

Mad_maxx

TomTomTim wrote: »

As has been mentioned already, the most dangerous thing that these people are doing is claiming that they have a consensus on their side. Unless they are mind readers, how do they know? Framing NGOs and groups with a narrow agenda as a "wide cross section of society" is disgustingly dishonest, and really goes to show the power these groups have. They are literally more powerful than elected officials.

ive said it repeatedly , the stripe of any particular sitting minister is largely irrelevant , the architects and influencers of policy are unelected much of the time

Doctor Roast

Was just having a nose around the EUs Web pages there under the asylum fund...

What do we want to achieve in this area?
 Migrants and EU citizens with a migrant background have access to adequate and
affordable housing, including social housing.
 Member States and local and regional authorities have access to a wide range of tools and
good practices to fight discrimination on the housing market.
 Innovative housing solutions that foster inclusion and fight segregation are widely used
across the EU.
What will the Commission do to support these objectives?
 Work with Member States to promote non-segregated adequate and affordable housing,
including social housing, and to provide accompanying integration services through EU
funds, in particular under European Regional Development Fund, European Social Fund
Plus, Asylum and Migration Fund and InvestEU.
 Promote mutual learning between Member States, cities, villages and regions on fighting
discrimination on the housing market and reducing residential segregation through
the European Integration Network, the Urban academy for integration and dedicated
funding under the Asylum and Migration Fund.
 Promote models of autonomous housing (rather than collective housing) for asylum
applicants, especially families, and disseminate and scale up successful innovative models
of inclusive and affordable housing for beneficiaries of international protection.
In this area, Member States are encouraged to:
 Ensure an integrated approach and coordinate housing policies with policies on access to
employment, education, healthcare and social services.
 Provide adapted and autonomous housing solutions as early as possible for refugees and
asylum seekers who are likely to be granted international protection, and enable a smooth
transition for asylum seekers to independent living once they have been granted
international protection.
 Make full use of EU funds, such as the European Regional Development Fund, the
Asylum and Migration Fund and InvestEU, to promote adequate and affordable housing,
including social housing in accordance with identified needs at national and regional level,
as well as the European Social Fund Plus to support access to housing.

Just incase anyone thought this was cooked up by NGOs and the Greens

Doctor Roast

These are the same **** who crippled everyone with austerity

Galwayguy35

I'd like to know who the genius was 20 years that came up with the idea of letting failed asylum seekers appeal decisions multiple times and Joe and Josephine Public should foot the bill for it.

Why isn't it ever mentioned in the media that this is the reason the process takes so long.

And even when a deportation is finalised they can disappear and show up a few years later after popping out a few kids and we all know there is zero chance of kicking them out then.

0ph0rce0

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

If councils purchase houses/apartments for 3500 people in year one what happens in year 2,3,4 etc

Is the plan to keep buying up houses year on year for asylum seekers?

What happens if in year 2 5000 turn up? More houses bought up.

This is the most hair brained, super woke, anti Irish move to come out of any Irish government in a long time.

Was thinking that myself.

Lets say 3500 genuine single asylum seekers enter Ireland for the next 3 years, that adds up to around the same figure we here about homeless Irish people stuck in hotels and ****holes waiting on housing, some for weeks, months and some for years.

Are they really saying they will give 10,000+ houses/apartments to these people entering the country over the next 3 years.

How can they not house the 10,000+ waiting decades but can house 10,000+ asylum seekers so quick?

If it's that easy to do then why couldn't they have cleared up our own Irish homeless list in the last 3 years.

Doctor Roast

Doctor Roast wrote: »

Was just having a nose around the EUs Web pages there under the asylum fund...

What do we want to achieve in this area?
 Migrants and EU citizens with a migrant background have access to adequate and
affordable housing, including social housing.
 Member States and local and regional authorities have access to a wide range of tools and
good practices to fight discrimination on the housing market.
 Innovative housing solutions that foster inclusion and fight segregation are widely used
across the EU.
What will the Commission do to support these objectives?
 Work with Member States to promote non-segregated adequate and affordable housing,
including social housing, and to provide accompanying integration services through EU
funds, in particular under European Regional Development Fund, European Social Fund
Plus, Asylum and Migration Fund and InvestEU.
 Promote mutual learning between Member States, cities, villages and regions on fighting
discrimination on the housing market and reducing residential segregation through
the European Integration Network, the Urban academy for integration and dedicated
funding under the Asylum and Migration Fund.
 Promote models of autonomous housing (rather than collective housing) for asylum
applicants, especially families, and disseminate and scale up successful innovative models
of inclusive and affordable housing for beneficiaries of international protection.
In this area, Member States are encouraged to:
 Ensure an integrated approach and coordinate housing policies with policies on access to
employment, education, healthcare and social services.
 Provide adapted and autonomous housing solutions as early as possible for refugees and
asylum seekers who are likely to be granted international protection, and enable a smooth
transition for asylum seekers to independent living once they have been granted
international protection.
 Make full use of EU funds, such as the European Regional Development Fund, the
Asylum and Migration Fund and InvestEU, to promote adequate and affordable housing,
including social housing in accordance with identified needs at national and regional level,
as well as the European Social Fund Plus to support access to housing.

Just incase anyone thought this was cooked up by NGOs and the Greens

Which Directive is the Irish Government following here? If you can't point to a Directive then this is something which is not coming from the E.U. but from Dublin.

0ph0rce0

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

Was thinking that myself.

Lets say 3500 genuine single asylum seekers enter Ireland for the next 3 years, that adds up to around the same figure we here about homeless Irish people stuck in hotels and ****holes waiting on housing, some for weeks, months and some for years.

Are they really saying they will give 10,000+ houses/apartments to these people entering the country over the next 3 years.

How can they not house the 10,000+ waiting decades but can house 10,000+ asylum seekers so quick?

If it's that easy to do then why couldn't they have cleared up our own Irish homeless list in the last 3 years.

It is more than 3500. re-unification obligations mean there is a pull effect.

ExMachina1000

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

Was thinking that myself.

Lets say 3500 genuine single asylum seekers enter Ireland for the next 3 years, that adds up to around the same figure we here about homeless Irish people stuck in hotels and ****holes waiting on housing, some for weeks, months and some for years.

Are they really saying they will give 10,000+ houses/apartments to these people entering the country over the next 3 years.

How can they not house the 10,000+ waiting decades but can house 10,000+ asylum seekers so quick?

If it's that easy to do then why couldn't they have cleared up our own Irish homeless list in the last 3 years.

And with a massive housing shortage, sky high rents and purchase prices the Irish people lose out.
There will be even less supply available with the taxpayer footing the bill
How can it be any other way

Eric Cartman

Deleted User wrote: »

It is more than 3500. re-unification obligations mean there is a pull effect.

thats the issue, all you need to do is get one family member in the door and 10 more can come leech off the state. Even if we're granting asylum to only a small number of cases, thats hundreds of people who will never work a day in their lives rolling in to the country.

0ph0rce0

Deleted User wrote: »

It is more than 3500. re-unification obligations mean there is a pull effect.

I know that's part of the process alright.


Suppose my point is If they can house 10000+ asylum seekers in 3 years that easily, Why couldn't they have just housed the 10000+ Irish homeless over the last 3 years and be done with the issue once and for all, the government look great and everyone they looked after gives them their vote.

ExMachina1000

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

I know that's part of the process alright.


Suppose my point is If they can house 10000+ asylum seekers in 3 years that easily, Why couldn't they have just housed the 10000+ Irish homeless over the last 3 years and be done with the issue, they government look great and everyone they looked after gives them their vote.

Why are Irish families living in hotel rooms and others waiting up to a decade for public housing.

Yet at the stroke of a pen we can suddenly offer a house or apartment to every applicant after 4 months.

This is a disgrace

decreds

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

And with a massive housing shortage, sky high rents and purchase prices the Irish people lose out.
There will be even less supply available with the taxpayer footing the bill
How can it be any other way

A colleague from Eastern Europe asked our team before "why do you put up with such crap?" regarding what you mentioned.


No one had an answer, depressingly.

Mike Murdock

decreds wrote: »

A colleague from Eastern Europe asked our team before "why do you put up with such crap?" regarding what you mentioned.


No one had an answer, depressingly.

Because our Politicians don't want to be compared to someone like Victor Orban, or more likely given the media here, "literally Hitler".

So it doesn't matter who we vote for. They will all do the same.

Acting in the best interests of your people seems to have escaped most politicians in Europe

ExMachina1000

decreds wrote: »

A colleague from Eastern Europe asked our team before "why do you put up with such crap?" regarding what you mentioned.


No one had an answer, depressingly.

They probably called him a racist but then they would be insulting a foreigner so their heads melted in confusion and they had to go home early to cry in the bath?

Yeah it's bound to be a disaster. We can all see it coming a mile away

quintana76

Mike Murdock wrote: »

Because our Politicians don't want to be compared to someone like Victor Orban, or more likely given the media here, "literally Hitler".

So it doesn't matter who we vote for. They will all do the same.

Acting in the best interests of your people seems to have escaped most politicians in Europe

The only way to get politicians to speak up is for enough people to contact them and threaten not to vote for them if they don't do something.

Speak to them in the only language they understand.

mgn

Eric Cartman wrote: »

thats the issue, all you need to do is get one family member in the door and 10 more can come leech off the state. Even if we're granting asylum to only a small number of cases, thats hundreds of people who will never work a day in their lives rolling in to the country.

And that includes Mothers, fathers ,aunts and uncles a lot of them near pension age when the arrive here, some cheek to be raising the pension age and be talking about no money in the pot for people that worked and paid taxes here all their lives.

Meanwhile the import readymade pensioners and give them an A rated house while a lot of our own can hardly heat their houses with all these green taxes.

seenitall

Doctor Roast wrote: »

Just incase anyone thought this was cooked up by NGOs and the Greens

What the EU loftily publishes in Brussels, and what the EU member states actually do, are often entirely different things. Should I remind you of some of the Visegrad group’s refugee policies,( i.e. “No Muslims, thank you”)? Or that Denmark has recently said “We’ll take no more”, and had even before that started with (de)programming schemes, internal relocation schemes, and other methods of making life uncomfortable for the immigrants in the country.

Or that there are thousands of young men from MENA countries, scattered around Bosnia and just waiting to push in, and pushing in through the EU borders with some luck and under the cover of darkness, aided and abetted by the UN to make noise and appear as harmless refugees, all the while creating instability and security risks within any community they land on. Their knifemanship has shown itself as especially deft, and so have their arsonist capabilities. Poor Bosniaks. (I speak the language, so read the Bosniak “boards.ie” and similar.)

A question: which EU country do you think now has the best chance of being these proactive and determined young men’s final destination? Hmmmmm...

Meanwhile, when found on the territory of the EU, they are unceremoniously (and it has to be said, rather painfully) shunted and pushed back into Bosnia. It’s like a grotesque game of pass-the-parcel, back-and-forth, between Austria, Slovenia, Croatia and others. A lot of them do manage to slip through, the pressure of sheer quantity is on the rise with the warmer weather and there is no solution to this problem anywhere on the horizon.

So that’s the reality of the EU and its lofty goals, as it is happening on the ground. Fascinating stuff. I would take a lot of the EU documents with a huge pinch of salt.

kildare lad

decreds wrote: »

A colleague from Eastern Europe asked our team before "why do you put up with such crap?" regarding what you mentioned.


No one had an answer, depressingly.

Because our TDs are spineless cowards. They're afraid of saying anything in case they're branded a "racist ". Look at grief that peter casey got when he made those comments about travellers. He only said what most people think and he got slated in the media etc. But his points went up the presidental election . The big problem is when the next election comes around there's no parties that are gonna stand up for the Irish people and say enough is enough , so who can you vote for ?

Danzy

For what looks like, unless the Minister is stopped, one of the most radical transformations of housing in the country ever seen,it is a non story. Never mind the increase in working Labour. The old Left saw the minimum wage as a base, the modern left see it as a target. Not for themselves though, that's a pleasure for the Lumpen Proles. They view all of us as Lumpen Proles, especially if you vote for them.

The impact on public finances in a few years will mean stark reduction elsewhere, naturally the bourgeoisie Left will protest at the time but that will be it. Won't effect them.

If you are a big town or city working class, the State is going to blow you out of the water in terms of renting or buying houses, public housing, don't even imagine it.

kildare lad

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

Was thinking that myself.

Lets say 3500 genuine single asylum seekers enter Ireland for the next 3 years, that adds up to around the same figure we here about homeless Irish people stuck in hotels and ****holes waiting on housing, some for weeks, months and some for years.

Are they really saying they will give 10,000+ houses/apartments to these people entering the country over the next 3 years.

How can they not house the 10,000+ waiting decades but can house 10,000+ asylum seekers so quick?

If it's that easy to do then why couldn't they have cleared up our own Irish homeless list in the last 3 years.

Don't forget they multiply fairly quick. Most Irish families that rent or pay a mortgage can only afford 2 or 3 kids max. Whereas most africans have larger families with 4 to 6 kids. More kids , more school places needed, more housing , more hospital room , more pressure for jobs, more money from the exchequer not to mention all the social problems you see all over europe that come with 3rd world immigration. It's a recipe for disaster

Doctor Roast

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Which Directive is the Irish Government following here? If you can't point to a Directive then this is something which is not coming from the E.U. but from Dublin.

It's pretty much what Dublin is implementing, we were always a bit too quick to bend over backwards for the EU, along with the 2040 Ireland plan we're Coveney is on record as saying that half of that million would not be born in Ireland.

I found that under the "integration" link that's highlighted on their Web page.

https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/financing/fundings/migration-asylum-borders/asylum-migration-integration-fund_en

mgn

Has anyone heard any TDs comment on this yet because I haven't.

Normally with a big announcement like this, the are all over the place.

Surely the all cant be happy with it.

The likes of RTE not a peep out of them, then again no surprise there, the know who there paymaster is.

Doctor Roast

mgn wrote: »

Has anyone heard any TDs comment on this yet because I haven't.

Normally with a big announcement like this, the are all over the place.

Surely the all cant be happy with it.

The likes of RTE not a peep out of them, then again no surprise there, the know who there paymaster is.

Apart from trying to spin a narrative about this being great news... Nada... But that's by design I'd wager, probably hoping it will pass quietly by....

mgn

Doctor Roast wrote: »

Apart from trying to spin a narrative about this being great news... Nada... But that's by design I'd wager, probably hoping it will pass quietly by....

Well the next politician that opens their gob about the homeless or first time buyers should be put in the picture.

Sick haven't to listen to them for years trying to score points of one another and this comes along and the all run for cover.

0ph0rce0

Nothing on the news so far, they know damn well this is going to piss off a lot of people. The people wanted an end to DP in its current format. A proper setup with a quick turn around and appeal process, genuine? stay, not? off you go.

Not free houses for everyone.

Sir Oxman

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

If councils purchase houses/apartments for 3500 people in year one what happens in year 2,3,4 etc

Is the plan to keep buying up houses year on year for asylum seekers?

What happens if in year 2 5000 turn up? More houses bought up.

This is the most hair brained, super woke, anti Irish move to come out of any Irish government in a long time.

A lovely, lovely NGO lady (one of the many on radio/tv on Friday) assured the listeners the houses built specifically for the benefit of people only in the country 16 weeks would be reused.
Let that sink in - year 2 will see that year's seekers move into the used houses and don't worry about where the current occupiers will go, I'm sure by then they'll be able to afford the 1200k-2000k+ rent for the multitude of available houses and apart...oh, hang on...

Doctor Roast

mgn wrote: »

Well the next politician that opens their gob about the homeless or first time buyers should be put in the picture.

Sick haven't to listen to them for years trying to score points of one another and this comes along and the all run for cover.

That's because no one wants to admit they've just made Irish people 2nd class citizens in their own country

Jinglejangle69

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

I know that's part of the process alright.


Suppose my point is If they can house 10000+ asylum seekers in 3 years that easily, Why couldn't they have just housed the 10000+ Irish homeless over the last 3 years and be done with the issue once and for all, the government look great and everyone they looked after gives them their vote.

The majority of the 10,000 Irish homeless you quote are actually Non Irish.

Geuze

enricoh wrote: »

Is that 50% figure accurate? Amazing how we never here about it in the media!
I wonder will there be any dissenting journalists in today's papers? I doubt it, a career in journalism is shakey enough these days, much easier jumping ship to do pr for the government or ngo's.

Published by the ESRI.

Give me a few mins to find it.


Here you go:

ESRI RESEARCH SERIES NUMBER 72
June 2018

IRELAND’S RESPONSE TO RECENT TRENDS IN INTERNATIONAL PROTECTION APPLICATIONS

https://www.esri.ie/system/files/media/file-uploads/2018-06/RS72.pdf


See section 3.4, page 24.