Govt to replace Direct Provision with protection system

mgn

quintana76 wrote: »

......which you had to pay for !

And the food you ate, electric and gas.

Tea drinker

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Young people of Ireland. Those of you complaining about living at home with your parents, sky high rents and unaffordable houses.

This must be a real kick in the teeth for you.

Ah stop, the young are the first ones to virtue signal about some immigrant cause. Brain donors.

Mad_maxx

i sometimes wonder are the kind of people who enthusiastically support the ending of DP and want much looser immigration policies , are they people who simply dont understand the term " pride of place " ?

its been referred to as " people from somewhere v people from anywhere " the former are people who,s identity is shaped by a place and an attachment to a group , these kind of people are less comfortable with a lot of inward immigration yet their concerns are crudely dismissed as being grounded in base racism

unfortunately the commentariat in this country are entirely made up of people from the " people from anywhere " group and they just dont understand " people from somewhere " at all

its a real problem

Gradius

Kivaro wrote: »

After we went to Level 5 at Christmas and they shut down all construction except for special projects and the building of social housing, we now know why it was so important for the government to continue with social housing projects during the worldwide pandemic. There are people currently living in Africa and Pakistan who will be the recipients of these state-of-the-art, highly rated social houses that are being built specifically for this purpose now. They will get these new houses and they will have them free for life.

The end result of this unfair program that favours asylum seekers over the indigenous population in Ireland will see many young Irish people having to emigrate due to the lack of affordable homes. So not only will this new system result is Irish people being made homeless, but it will also result in Irish people being to forced to leave their own country. History will not look back kindly at the elected representatives in Ireland who are responsible for this outrageous act. They are a disgrace.

As I was saying above, if they build stuff that isnt intended for you, or that will suck extortionate rent out to foreign interests (two sides of the same coin of being f**cked over)...just get rid of it.

Keep getting rid of it until they build what's beneficial to you.

If you want to waste time waiting for politicians to do something that clearly isn't in their interests, get a very comfortable seat to wait in. If you want direct political action, do the effective thing and get rid of stuff that's detrimental to you.

They'll pay attention to their investments more than letters. You can bank on it.

kildare lad

Mad_maxx wrote: »

i sometimes wonder are the kind of people who enthusiastically support the ending of DP and want much looser immigration policies , are they people who simply dont understand the term " pride of place " ?

its been referred to as " people from somewhere v people from anywhere " the former are people who,s identity is shaped by a place and an attachment to a group , these kind of people are less comfortable with a lot of inward immigration yet their concerns are crudely dismissed as being grounded in base racism

unfortunately the commentariat in this country are entirely made up of people from the " people from anywhere " group and they just dont understand " people from somewhere " at all

its a real problem

They're white , middle class people that never had to worry about money in their life , they end up in college and jump on every social justice fad that's going . Their hero's are Obama , Hilary Clinton , Che Guevara and if they've really lost the plot ... Chairman Mao . They get some liberal arts or gender study degree thats useless in the real world , so they end up getting employment with NGOs . They live in this fantasy , utopian diversity bubble and ignore all the social and economic problems that comes along with it.

the immortals

The people in the direct Provision process are overwhelmingly economic migrants, this is an indisputable fact due to the high rejection rate of applicants, so this means you have a situation where we are paying for thousands of people every year who are just scamming the system, free accommodation, food, health care, legal aid, an army of ngo's also advise and help to game the system, it's fraud and deception on an industrial scale.

The ngo's are completely aware of the fraud and deception they are involved in but don't care because there is no accountability, the relevant govt departments are aware of this and don't care, and the legal fraternity are absolutely coining it, it's a bizzare situation with the Irish people getting fleeced and no-one has the balls to call it out

Doctor Roast

Gradius wrote: »

Might as well be just stating it...



Make it more and more difficult for people to have children by grinding them into the ground, yet somehow the population is magically going to grow by an extra million. Funny how they plan on that happening...

Isn't Coveney on record somewere saying at least 500,000 of the 1 million will be born outside Ireland

Doctor Roast

Doctor Roast wrote: »

Isn't Coveney on record somewere saying at least 500,000 of the 1 million will be born outside Ireland

Simon Coveny
"We estimate over the next 20 years that the population of Ireland will certainly grow by an extra million people. Linked to that estimate is that half of that number won't have been born in Ireland. I think that will be a really good thing for Irish society but we do need to manage it carefully so we don't allow the politics of migration to play a big part in Irish politics because I think it pulls us down a dangerous direction. "

Too late, we're already going down that road...

Strumms

Doctor Roast wrote: »

Simon Coveny
"We estimate over the next 20 years that the population of Ireland will certainly grow by an extra million people. Linked to that estimate is that half of that number won't have been born in Ireland. I think that will be a really good thing for Irish society but we do need to manage it carefully so we don't allow the politics of migration to play a big part in Irish politics because I think it pulls us down a dangerous direction. "

Too late, we're already going down that road...

So over the next 20 years the population of Ireland is expected to grow by 1 million people... from just under 5 million to just under 6 million..

Basically the population of the country growing by 20%... or about 1% a year..over the next two decades...

Considering the growth in the main is going to be down to a continuation of arrivals from outside the EU, who will be receiving free gratis...

-Food

-Accommodation

-Healthcare

-Spending money / benefits

How the fûck will we be able to pay for the above, thinking of ..

Healthcare - a big increase in beds, infrastructure and equipment, qualified staff... consultants, surgeons, physiotherapists, doctors, nurses, carers, porters, caterers...all associated training... management thereof.

Gardai - infrastructures in stations, uniforms, equipment, training, vehicles - vans, cars, bikes etc..

The country is being sat in a chair, a big fûck off gun is lined up at its temple and the trigger is slowly being squeezed...

Whatever about dodging a bullet from covid, the financial and social bomb that’s going to be set off under us with the influx of economic migrants / asylum seekers and the pressure both financially and socially that will be a serious life changing experience as regards us now having to acknowledge that the Ireland we once knew is slowly becoming extinct..

Jinglejangle69

kildare lad wrote: »

They're white , middle class people that never had to worry about money in their life , they end up in college and jump on every social justice fad that's going . Their hero's are Obama , Hilary Clinton , Che Guevara and if they've really lost the plot ... Chairman Mao . They get some liberal arts or gender study degree thats useless in the real world , so they end up getting employment with NGOs . They live in this fantasy , utopian diversity bubble and ignore all the social and economic problems that comes along with it.

Excellent post.

Strumms

Strumms wrote: »

So over the next 20 years the population of Ireland is expected to grow by 1 million people... from just under 5 million to just under 6 million..

Basically the population of the country growing by 20%... or about 1% a year..over the next two decades...

Considering the growth in the main is going to be down to a continuation of arrivals from outside the EU, who will be receiving free gratis...

-Food

-Accommodation

-Healthcare

-Spending money / benefits

How the fûck will we be able to pay for the above, thinking of ..

Healthcare - a big increase in beds, infrastructure and equipment, qualified staff... consultants, surgeons, physiotherapists, doctors, nurses, carers, porters, caterers...all associated training... management thereof.

Gardai - infrastructures in stations, uniforms, equipment, training, vehicles - vans, cars, bikes etc..

The country is being sat in a chair, a big fûck off gun is lined up at its temple and the trigger is slowly being squeezed...

Whatever about dodging a bullet from covid, the financial and social bomb that’s going to be set off under us with the influx of economic migrants / asylum seekers and the pressure both financially and socially that will be a serious life changing experience as regards us now having to acknowledge that the Ireland we once knew is slowly becoming extinct..

Ireland will become more and more divided. Social tensions will increase, it's the exact same as has happened in America and throughout Europe. The people who make these decisions don't care, they know it'll never affect them.

malinheader

There will be plenty of Ulster bank and BOI buildings up for sale or lease now. Might be able to turn some into accommodation. Can't see many businesses queuing to take them over and alot of them will be in already hard hit towns with no employment prospects.
Sounds perfect for where alot of these migrants are sent or end up.

Doctor Roast

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ireland will become more and more divided. Social tensions will increase, it's the exact same as has happened in America and throughout Europe. The people who make these decisions don't care, they know it'll never affect them.

It's all about pumping up those numbers, the same organisations that push feminism, abortion and screw people with austerity then blame low birth rates as to why we need low skilled often incompatible with Western society migrants to pay pensions. An endless supply of cheap labour and more consumers to buy the sh!te cheap labour makes, and you the taxpayer get to fund the perfect globalist scam whilst watching the country you grew up in disappear.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Ireland will become more and more divided. Social tensions will increase, it's the exact same as has happened in America and throughout Europe. The people who make these decisions don't care, they know it'll never affect them.

Which is what bugs the crap out of me.. because it will affect them. Nobody is going to escape the effects of these changes.

Increased numbers of migrants settling here will put further strain on existing services/supports, such as the Health service, and education. Increased numbers of people on welfare (since there's limited jobs available) means greater costs to the government, which translates into higher taxes across the board. Increased numbers of people who feel disenfranchised (both migrants and Irish people) means greater social unrest, crime, etc leading to a far less safe society.

The short sighted approach to this whole area annoys me so much. The consequences have been consistently borne out across Europe. Bitterness arises because the migrants don't have access to a lifestyle similar to established native groups, even with government supports, and the resources to provide those supports become squeezed further exasperating the problems involved.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Which is what bugs the crap out of me.. because it will affect them. Nobody is going to escape the effects of these changes.

By and large the people making these decisions are economically secure, they can avoid most of it. Social tensions in working class areas will never affect politicians who live in rich or rural secure areas. Yes taxes may go up but there are a myriad of ways for richer people to increase their wealth outside of just earned wage income. Economic segregation is the main reason they are happy to implement these policies, they can effectively buy their way out of any future negative consequences

Tea drinker

Is there a legal challenge we can mount against this? It seems incredibly discriminatory against Irish.... if that's not a racist thing to say now.

littlevillage

People on this thread with their hysterical reactions need to realize a couple of things.

Firstly, this isn't necessarily going to become law in Ireland, its a policy paper and a kite flying exercise to judge public reaction. If any of this stuff ever gets implemented, it will be in an unrecognisable watered down version.

Second and more importantly, the Government is feeling the heat over their disasterous handlingly of the Covid crisis and in such situations Government PR try to avert attention away to something else.

Doctor Roast

Tea drinker wrote: »

Is there a legal challenge we can mount against this? It seems incredibly discriminatory against Irish.... if that's not a racist thing to say now.

Was going to ask that, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere before this was implemented they were expecting legal challenges

Mad_maxx

kildare lad wrote: »

They're white , middle class people that never had to worry about money in their life , they end up in college and jump on every social justice fad that's going . Their hero's are Obama , Hilary Clinton , Che Guevara and if they've really lost the plot ... Chairman Mao . They get some liberal arts or gender study degree thats useless in the real world , so they end up getting employment with NGOs . They live in this fantasy , utopian diversity bubble and ignore all the social and economic problems that comes along with it.

i think its just that the people who police the boundaries of what can be discussed or viewed as good or bad are invariably from particular urban backrounds , im not saying its an altogether rural urban thing either , plenty of working class people in Dublin and other cities and towns have a great understanding of " pride of place "

the conversation about so many things in ireland is just restricted beyond belief by a bunch of gatekeepers who would put McQuaid to shame

Mad_maxx

Deleted User wrote: »

Ireland will become more and more divided. Social tensions will increase, it's the exact same as has happened in America and throughout Europe. The people who make these decisions don't care, they know it'll never affect them.

how can such a bunch of nihilists have so much power ?

in a previous generation , the kind of do-gooders who populate NGO,s would be oddball society rejects , its like they have power and influence now and want to wreck everything , get revenge

TomTomTim

Deleted User wrote: »

Which is what bugs the crap out of me.. because it will affect them. Nobody is going to escape the effects of these changes.

Increased numbers of migrants settling here will put further strain on existing services/supports, such as the Health service, and education. Increased numbers of people on welfare (since there's limited jobs available) means greater costs to the government, which translates into higher taxes across the board. Increased numbers of people who feel disenfranchised (both migrants and Irish people) means greater social unrest, crime, etc leading to a far less safe society.

The short sighted approach to this whole area annoys me so much. The consequences have been consistently borne out across Europe. Bitterness arises because the migrants don't have access to a lifestyle similar to established native groups, even with government supports, and the resources to provide those supports become squeezed further exasperating the problems involved.

The problem with these people though is realizing the obvious, that housing and immigration have a relationship that can't be ignored. I'd say that easily about 50% of the people who made a big issue of the housing problem in the past, are also big supporters of mass immigration. To rational people, the relationship is obvious, but these people won't even admit that a relationship exists, regardless of how apparent it is. There was even examples of just that earlier in this thread. So in my view, even when the problem worsens, they'll still deny the source, making it harder to combat the issue, as the media will play along with this delusion also.

biko

From what we see in other countries the baizou invites unskilled immigrants from problem cultures (FGM, honour killings, rapes, etc) and when problems inevitably arise the baizou wants increased police to fix the problems.

Baizou creates problems for others in the community and then wants someone else to fix it.

Mad_maxx

Mad_maxx wrote: »

how can such a bunch of nihilists have so much power ?

in a previous generation , the kind of do-gooders who populate NGO,s would be oddball society rejects , its like they have power and influence now and want to wreck everything , get revenge

That's a very interesting question, hard to know the answer. I have a feeling a lot of it is down to social media and how relatively small groups can influence the overall discourse now.

RobbieTheRobber

biko wrote: »

From what we see in other countries the baizou invites unskilled immigrants from problem cultures (FGM, honour killings, rapes, etc) and when problems inevitably arise the baizou wants increased police to fix the problems.

Baizou creates problems for others in the community and then wants someone else to fix it.

Baizuo not baizou!

malinheader

littlevillage wrote: »

People on this thread with their hysterical reactions need to realize a couple of things.

Firstly, this isn't necessarily going to become law in Ireland, its a policy paper and a kite flying exercise to judge public reaction. If any of this stuff ever gets implemented, it will be in an unrecognisable watered down version.

Second and more importantly, the Government is feeling the heat over their disasterous handlingly of the Covid crisis and in such situations Government PR try to avert attention away to something else.

Oh how very wrong you are. Its happening as we speak, 60 migrant families to Letterkenny in Donegal this week over 300 in total.
Have you been out around any of our towns lately.
If you were blind folded listening to voices you certainly wouldn't think your in Ireland. Only thing being watered down is the Irish population.

TomTomTim

biko wrote: »

From what we see in other countries the baizou invites unskilled immigrants from problem cultures (FGM, honour killings, rapes, etc) and when problems inevitably arise the baizou wants increased police to fix the problems.

Baizou creates problems for others in the community and then wants someone else to fix it.

I've always dreamed of giving them their own nation. Let them go as insane as they want with their polices, let them destroy themselves rapidly, and let their ideology die for good. Of course all of that is wishful thinking, as we know failed ideologies keep popping back up again once the next generation manages to downplay the previous failures of said ideology.

Mike Murdock

Mad_maxx wrote: »

how can such a bunch of nihilists have so much power ?

in a previous generation , the kind of do-gooders who populate NGO,s would be oddball society rejects , its like they have power and influence now and want to wreck everything , get revenge

What they have done is replace the Authoritarian Catholic Religious Dogma that they despise with their own brand of borderline Religious Dogma that is equally reprehensible if pushed, as they are doing, to the extreme degree.

And they are doing it without a hint of irony.

Mad_maxx

TomTomTim wrote: »

The problem with these people though is realizing the obvious, that housing and immigration have a relationship that can't be ignored. I'd say that easily about 50% of the people who made a big issue of the housing problem in the past, are also big supporters of mass immigration. To rational people, the relationship is obvious, but these people won't even admit that a relationship exists, regardless of how apparent it is. There was even examples of just that earlier in this thread. So in my view, even when the problem worsens, they'll still deny the source, making it harder to combat the issue, as the media will play along with this delusion also.

None so blind to the obvious as an ideologue

Mike Murdock

Doctor Roast wrote: »

Was going to ask that, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere before this was implemented they were expecting legal challenges

Wait until the Far-Left/NGOs/Solidarity/Labour/SF (delete/add where applicable) try and take down the Twenty-Seventh Amendment of the Constitution Act 2004 without a public vote on it...

That will be next.

Mad_maxx

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Baizuo not baizou!

i dont mean the WOKE soldiers who simply lend support to various campaigns like ending DP , they just want to virtue signal for the most part and are feeble minded sheep keen to look on the right side of respectability

i mean the policy architects behind o Gormans revealed plans