Govt to replace Direct Provision with protection system

Mad_maxx

sent a long email to the one sitting minister in my constituency last night

made is clear i support helping genuine refugees but stressed the folly of promising own door housing to people here a few mere months

RobbieTheRobber

Mad_maxx wrote: »

i dont mean the WOKE soldiers who simply lend support to various campaigns like ending DP , they just want to virtue signal for the most part and are feeble minded sheep keen to look on the right side of respectability

i mean the policy architects behind o Gormans revealed plans

Did you quote the wrong person?

Strumms

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Let's not forget the response from housing authorities when this plan was first mentioned

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/proposed-new-housing-system-for-asylum-seekers-not-workable-says-housing-department-1.4416339

A bad deal for Ireland and Irish people.

"If the proposals are implemented, local authorities will have to use their own stock “which was meant for social housing applicants”, it states.

Introducing thousands of asylum seekers into the private housing market, where 68,000 households are already on the housing list, could “foreseeably have a displacement effect” for low to medium income families currently in rented accommodation, it adds."

Yep, we are LITERALLY second class citizens in our own country now and paying through the fücking teeth to be discriminated against.. :mad:

“Hi Mr / Mrs xxx from Namibia, here is a house for you and your family worth 350,000, enjoy..”

“Hi Mr and Mrs Irish taxpaying citizen, ahhh well we’ll get around to sorting you out, have you friends and family you can be staying with?”

Strumms

Examples of services...Now, there is approximately 1 Garda for every 337 people living here..

At the expected population increase as driven by open door policy on immigration... there will be 1 Garda for every 412 citizens in 10-20 years. This is in addition to station closures.

Or we can hire more Gardai ? Who is paying for that ? More money is being pissed out of our kitty in hand outs, actually handing out food, houses, maybe cars next ( independent transport is a human right we’ll get told )... how do we pay for more Gardai, more prison places ? We are all kinds of fücked... this country is on the beginning of a darkened path not seen in our history... there won’t be any coming back..

The country is going to be on its fûcking knees. We the Irish citizens are being buttfûcked beyond belief.... in what was supposed to be a democracy, we have absolutely zero say...

I’m 90% recovered from a long term illness, that’s required a tonne of help, in 10 years if it had happened, I’d probably not be able to avail of that help, I’d be too Irish, too white to be helped...

that’s going to be for all of us, we are becoming second class citizens in our homeland.

Will we see the day.., House is being broken into, dial 999..

Get told by the operator I may have to wait up to 60 minutes for the Gardai, two cars are dealing with another incident, as per the government directive, the third in the area is in adherence to new EU directives and is standing by in case it’s required to be available to assist non Irish / new Irish and therefore I must wait...

I’ll probably have to wait for the fûcking coroner too when I’m bludgeoned to death by the invader.

Nutsville.

titan18

littlevillage wrote: »

People on this thread with their hysterical reactions need to realize a couple of things.

Firstly, this isn't necessarily going to become law in Ireland, its a policy paper and a kite flying exercise to judge public reaction. If any of this stuff ever gets implemented, it will be in an unrecognisable watered down version.

Second and more importantly, the Government is feeling the heat over their disasterous handlingly of the Covid crisis and in such situations Government PR try to avert attention away to something else.

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1166889/

It already is happening

Doctor Roast

titan18 wrote: »

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1166889/

It already is happening

Amazing how they can move so quick for them...

This morning I’ve emailed Leo Varadkar and all 4 of my Sligo/Leitrim TDs

Leo Varadkar - auto reply saying email will be looked at and forwarded to correct dept if necessary.
Frank Feighan - personal response from their office saying they will pass email on.
Marian Harkin - awaiting reply
Martin Kenny - awaiting reply
Marc MacSharry - awaiting reply

I’ll post what they say when I get it.

suicide_circus

Got a response from a TD agreeing that steps will have to be taken to speed up the asylum process and to avoid causing unrest by giving asylum seekers community accommodation ahead of people on the housing list

Strumms

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

This morning I’ve emailed Leo Varadkar and all 4 of my Sligo/Leitrim TDs

Leo Varadkar - auto reply saying email will be looked at and forwarded to correct dept if necessary.
Frank Feighan - personal response from their office saying they will pass email on.
Marian Harkin - awaiting reply
Martin Kenny - awaiting reply
Marc MacSharry - awaiting reply

I’ll post what they say when I get it.

Each of the individuals who you have emailed, gets paid before expenses 98,113 euros per annum.

That is why from the moment that email hits each of their inbox’s, they will be reaching or their PA will be reaching for a predetermined reply that will in some way engage with your query / concerns but in no way commit to doing anything about it... madness.

Ireland is dying.

suicide_circus

suicide_circus wrote: »

Got a response from a TD agreeing that steps will have to be taken to speed up the asylum process and to avoid causing unrest by giving asylum seekers community accommodation ahead of people on the housing list

Interesting, I won't ask which TD. Would be good to know what they mean by speed up the process, does that mean that deportation orders would also finally be enforced?

Strumms

suicide_circus wrote: »

Got a response from a TD agreeing that steps will have to be taken to speed up the asylum process and to avoid causing unrest by giving asylum seekers community accommodation ahead of people on the housing list

Ahh right...Said what needs to be done, all be it no firm commitment or plan to actually do anything ...

Imagine you lived near a busy road near a school. Cars were known to speed and there had been two near misses involving kids yet there was no zebra / pedestrian crossing... the reply from your local TD...

Dear citizen,

Yes, it has been agreed that the installation of a pedestrian crossing is of paramount importance at the school to safeguard the children and adults from situations you described.

Kind regards,

S Kelly..


Country is fûcked beyond belief.

Mad_maxx

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Did you quote the wrong person?

yes , thanks for pointing that out

Doctor Roast

Strumms wrote: »

Ahh right...Said what needs to be done, all be it no firm commitment or plan to actually do anything ...

Imagine you lived near a busy road near a school. Cars were known to speed and there had been two near misses involving kids yet there was no zebra / pedestrian crossing... the reply from your local TD...

Dear citizen,

Yes, it has been agreed that the installation of a pedestrian crossing is of paramount importance at the school to safeguard the children and adults from situations you described.

Kind regards,

S Kelly..


Country is fûcked beyond belief.

It's the equivalent of "your call is very important to us... Now please enjoy this 40 minute flute solo"

Gradius

If you want to see lightning quick action from politicians you hit them in the wallet.

If their plans went up in smoke, figuratively speaking, sure there's nothing to talk about then. If these people are going to actively make your life worse and pay no heed, well, what do you do?

It would be funny if some of these landlord-politicians woke up to find themselves on the frontline of the housing crisis they created.

suicide_circus

Deleted User wrote: »

Interesting, I won't ask which TD. Would be good to know what they mean by speed up the process, does that mean that deportation orders would also finally be enforced?

Ah look the response was couched in terms of it being a major win for humanity that the death camps DP program was being wound down but conceded my points were valid but said the the plan for what replaces DP is not "fully formed" yet.

suicide_circus

suicide_circus wrote: »

Ah look the response was couched in terms of it being a major win for humanity that the death camps DP program was being wound down but conceded my points were valid but said the the plan for what replaces DP is not "fully formed" yet.

death camps

What they should be doing is scrapping the entire system like the Danes are thinking of doing and then taking real refugees in from UN run camps. Not both like we are currently doing.

Tea drinker

Deleted User wrote: »

death camps

What they should be doing is scrapping the entire system like the Danes are thinking of doing and then taking real refugees in from UN run camps. Not both like we are currently doing.

Well the liberals are big on wars, training terrorist groups (or former terrorist groups, or will be soon terrorist groups) to foment rebellions in unpopular countries where we see killing a whole load of people to change the regime as a kind, cuddly and caring thing to do. Bring freedom to dead people.
The West manufactures refugees then the hand wringers start the wailing to bring in these POOR people from such unfortunate countries. (That they supported bombing the **** out of)

So if we have to take in 1 million, how will we reach our green emission targets?
If we have to build houses for 1 million, roads, schools, shopping centres etc etc how many millions of tons of concrete is that? Concrete allegedly one of th big drivers of global warming.
https://www.ecori.org/climate-change/2019/10/4/global-warming-has-a-co2ncrete-problem#:~:text=Concrete%20is%20a%20major%20contributor,most%20responsible%20for%20global%20warming.&text=Concrete%20is%20the%20most%20widely%20used%20artificial%20material%20in%20existence.

Concrete currently accounts for about 8 percent of the carbon dioxide being emitted into the atmosphere, dwarfing the aviation industry’s contribution of 2.5 percent. Concrete’s contribution of CO2 is comparable to the entire agriculture industry, which is responsible for 9 percent of carbon emissions.

Looking only at the housing aspect, I suppose we will need approx 1 house per 3. Average house requirement for concrete (open to correction sourced from here: https://www.quora.com/How-much-concrete-is-required-to-construct-a-1-500-square-foot-home) 66 cubic metres of Concrete per home x 333,000
21,978,000 cubic metres.
Not including access roads, main roads, shopping centre, bus station / rail station etc.
Haven't included concrete needed for sports facilties, arts venues, restuaraunts etc etc.
No allowance can be made for loss of natural habitat due to space that is needed for above. It's an environmental disaster.

Padraig Mor

Deleted User wrote: »

does that mean that deportation orders would also finally be enforced?

Nope. The white paper contains no reference whatsoever to State enforced deportations for bogus asylum seekers. There are a few scattered references to voluntary deportation, but couched in terms of assisting these people to sort their affairs.......and giving them an additional six months accommodation after they've exhausted all appeals etc!

The document further contains little definite that I could see (in an admittedly quick scan through) to make the process more efficient, save for some mention of a new IT system (how's that going to stop them making appeal after appeal?!) and a vague goal of six months for initial decision and another six months for appeal (isn't that the present goal?). I did not note any reference to reducing number of appeals, etc.

Basically, the white paper is full of ways we must assist asylum seekers, but there is SFA there in terms of making the process more efficient.

Mules

I heard back from my local independent TD. It was a response from a secretary that said my email has been received and the contents noted. I also got a few automatic replies from other TD's saying that my email had been reviewed. I'll update when they get back to me

Padraig Mor

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Nope. The white paper contains no reference whatsoever to State enforced deportations for bogus asylum seekers. There are a few scattered references to voluntary deportation, but couched in terms of assisting these people to sort their affairs.......and giving them an additional six months accommodation after they've exhausted all appeals etc!

The document further contains little definite that I could see (in an admittedly quick scan through) to make the process more efficient, save for some mention of a new IT system (how's that going to stop them making appeal after appeal?!) and a vague goal of six months for initial decision and another six months for appeal (isn't that the present goal?). I did not note any reference to reducing number of appeals, etc.

Basically, the white paper is full of ways we must assist asylum seekers, but there is SFA there in terms of making the process more efficient.

Thanks, I've only read snippets myself. I can't bring myself to read the full thing, would be too frustrating. Reform only ever seems to go one way, how to make it easier for those in the system. God forbid we enforced some proper controls

I don't mind genuine refugees but i wouldn't say the same of some enconomic migrants who would take advantage of the state and countless appeals.


I wrote an email to Mick Barry and this was the reply from his secretary

Dear ,
Mick Barry TD is a socialist and an internationalist, I’m not familiar with Roderic O’Gorman’s bill but if it improves the lives of asylum seekers Mick will support it. As Socialists we are against the ‘divide and rule’ tactics of the ruling class and capitalism.
I am adding a link to our website if we want to check out our politics.
https://socialistparty.ie/
We need a fairer immigration system, that excludes to process of DP, that provides for people in all aspects of their lives.
We fight for housing for all that does not discriminate on the bases of ethnicity, race or class.

Yours sincerely
Catherine,
The Office of Mick Barry TD (Solidarity and the Socialist Party)

https://imgur.com/XDz8eYj

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't mind genuine refugees but i wouldn't say the same of some enconomic migrants who would take advantage of the state and countless appeals.


I wrote an email to Mick Barry and this was the reply from his secretary


https://imgur.com/XDz8eYj

Mick Barry is the person who sponsored the bill to get the referendum result overturned about birthright citizenship.
He would never vote for anything which restricts any form of immigration. He claims to represent the working class on the Northside of Cork City, roaring and shouting about Debenhams workers rights, unfortunately people seem to fall for his tactics.

Was really hoping he wouldn't get in at the last election but if memory serves me right he scrapped in the last position


Edit to say, that's hilarious he now calls himself a "socialist and internationalist"

TomTomTim

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't mind genuine refugees but i wouldn't say the same of some enconomic migrants who would take advantage of the state and countless appeals.


I wrote an email to Mick Barry and this was the reply from his secretary


https://imgur.com/XDz8eYj

Clowns. This is divide and conquer in its purest form, even if it's not intentional. This policy will accelerate any us v them sentiment in society tenfold. Marxists like this honestly seem to have something wrong with their brains, as they struggle to see the obvious, time and time again.

Kivaro

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't mind genuine refugees but i wouldn't say the same of some enconomic migrants who would take advantage of the state and countless appeals.


I wrote an email to Mick Barry and this was the reply from his secretary

From Mick Barry's secretary above:
"We fight for housing for all that does not discriminate on the bases of ethnicity, race or class."

Exactly what Roderic O' Gorman's plan is going to do. It is going to discriminate against Irish people, as the preference for housing will be given to asylum seekers within 4 months of arriving in the country.
The irony.

Was curious to see what letters to the editor would be published by the broadsheets on the direct provision reforms. Maybe I'm missing them but I looked at the letters to the editors page for the IT, Independent and Examiner for the last few days and can't find anything, did I miss them or something or have they just not published anything from the public?

The only thing I see is an IT editorial opinion piece (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-the-direct-provision-white-paper-a-welcome-milestone-1.4497434?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Feditorial%2Fthe-irish-times-view-on-the-direct-provision-white-paper-a-welcome-milestone-1.4497434) that the direct provision reforms are correct but no dissenting views or criticism of own door in any of the broadsheets from what I can see. The comments under the IT editorial show that their view is not held by a lot of their readers so I fail to believe that there have been no letters to the editor received about the white paper

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Mick Barry is the person who sponsored the bill to get the referendum result overturned about birthright citizenship. He would never vote against anything which restricts any form of immigration. He claims to represent the working class on the Northside of Cork City, roaring and shouting about Debenhams workers rights, unfortunately people seem to fall for his tactics.

Was really hoping he wouldn't get in at the last election but if memory serves me right he scrapped in the last position


Edit to say, that's hilarious he now calls himself a "socialist and internationalist"

I did vote for him last election just to cancel out FG/FF and give them a bloody nose but there's not much choice but i will not vote for him next time round. And the National Party is too extreme and racist.There needs to be another party that doesn't bow down to NGO's. Even our media don't properly report if it goes against their agenda.


It's the Corporations that love all these cheaper labour to keep wages down. If an Irish person won't take the job then he can be replaced by someone who's imported from a poorer country to undercut him/her

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I did vote for him last election just to cancel out FG/FF and give them a bloody nose but there's not much choice but i will not vote for him next time round. And the National Party is too extreme and racist.There needs to be another party that doesn't bow down to NGO's. Even our media don't properly report if it goes against their agenda.


It's the Corporations that love all these cheaper labour to keep wages down. If an Irish person won't take the job then he can be replaced by someone who's imported from a poorer country to undercut him/her

I agree, I think he got in because lack of choice and people's tiredness with FF/FG. I'm the same as you, disillusioned, but I would never vote for the NP

Doctor Roast

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I agree, I think he got in because lack of choice and people's tiredness with FF/FG. I'm the same as you, disillusioned, but I would never vote for the NP

They're getting my vote, enough is enough of this nonsense. With the current shower and parties there could be 5 terrorist attacks in a day, widespread racial strife and they'll still insist multiculturalism is a great idea and it's nothing to worry about

Doctor Roast

Doctor Roast wrote: »

They're getting my vote, enough is enough of this nonsense. With the current shower and parties there could be 5 terrorist attacks in a day, widespread racial strife and they'll still insist multiculturalism is a great idea and it's nothing to worry about

Ya, fair enough. They're just not the party for me

Doctor Roast

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ya, fair enough. They're just not the party for me

There's not much else of a choice, not one of the others has a backbone to stand up and disagree with this for fear of being labelled racist.