Govt to replace Direct Provision with protection system

ThunbergsAreGo

Mike Murdock wrote: »

But she is a woman, converses with Rock Stars and American TV Chat Show hosts.

And, crucially, did not like Trump.

So she is a hero to some.

I would love to be in NZ now, less than half the taxation, and after a summer where they enjoyed life.

Mike Murdock

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

I would love to be in NZ now, less than half the taxation, and after a summer where they enjoyed life.

Easier to shut down an isolated island country whose nearest neighbour is 1,500 km away.

Not so easy to shut down an island landlocked with another sovereign nation and in a community that requires free movement of people as one of its central tenents.

But don't let that fact get in the way of your fawning over Saint Jacinda.

ThunbergsAreGo

Mike Murdock wrote: »

Easier to shut down an isolated island country whose nearest neighbour is 1,500 km away.

Not so easy to shut down an island landlocked with another sovereign nation and in a community that requires free movement of people as one of its central tenents.

But don't let that fact get in the way of your fawning over Saint Jacinda.

I totally agree with you, its not a binary one or the other

Spanish Eyes

Regarding asylum seekers at the moment, are they getting here easily enough?

Won’t they need the Covid vax prior to departure, a Covid test, and quarantine to be here? I sincerely hope those issues are not ignored re asylum seekers. Surely new variants will surface?

Anyway, look back to the days of Coveney and the late Peter Sutherland. Fully in favour of mass immigration. Someone in the background is pulling the strings now too just like the unelected Sutherland did.

Doctor Roast

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Regarding asylum seekers at the moment, are they getting here easily enough?

Won’t they need the Covid vax prior to departure, a Covid test, and quarantine to be here? I sincerely hope those issues are not ignored re asylum seekers. Surely new variants will surface?

Anyway, look back to the days of Coveney and the late Peter Sutherland. Fully in favour of mass immigration. Someone in the background is pulling the strings now too just like the unelected Sutherland did.

Remember Sutherland : the EU must do its best to undermine national homogeneity

I started a new book today that rubbishes the claims made by globalists..

The Migration Myth: How Uncontrolled, Unrestricted, Unlimited Migration Destroys The West

"For decades the Western world has seen inflows of masses and masses of migrants. We have been told this is a good thing, and to embrace it. The migrants, so they say, bring cultural enrichment. They are good for the economy. We need them! Do we, really, though? This book dives into the common arguments used to defend mass migrations. It analyses the rhetoric used by globalists that seek to abolish the nation-state. Does it make sense what they are saying, or does repetition aim to convince us that what they say is true? Many anti-migration politicians and opinionmakers fail to properly explain why they believe migration is the wrong choice. This book will help you explain exactly why none of the arguments in favor of migration are valid, and often times they're not even true. If you do believe migration to be a good thing, then read this book and see if your beliefs are as unshaken as they were the day before.It is beyond all doubt that we are in a struggle between those that favor the nation-state and its national borders, and those internationalists, globalists, or Marxists that wish to tear down the fabric that builds the nation. The idea to open borders to migrants and refugees, is one broadcasted as being one of mercy. A charitable act. It is perceived as doing a stranger a mild kindness, such as returning a lost wallet. The reality is that the constant flow of migrants breaks down the nation. This comes with increases in crime, additional costs, and a reduction in trust and overall life satisfaction. The consequences of a continued open border policy are immense, and moreover, they are immensely underestimated by the mainstream media. It is that combination, that made a book such as this one absolutely necessary."

punisher5112

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Regarding asylum seekers at the moment, are they getting here easily enough?

Won’t they need the Covid vax prior to departure, a Covid test, and quarantine to be here? I sincerely hope those issues are not ignored re asylum seekers. Surely new variants will surface?

Anyway, look back to the days of Coveney and the late Peter Sutherland. Fully in favour of mass immigration. Someone in the background is pulling the strings now too just like the unelected Sutherland did.

They may need a test but as many come as economic migrants money isn't an issue.

Coming in on ferry also.

Ireland is surrounded by water and to get in by boat wouldn't be too difficult.

Kivaro

punisher5112 wrote: »

They may need a test but as many come as economic migrants money isn't an issue.

Coming in on ferry also.

Ireland is surrounded by water and to get in by boat wouldn't be too difficult.

If asylum seekers get here by boat then it means that they definitely got to Ireland via another safe and wealthy European country. That fact alone should null and void any asylum applications from them.
We need to stop accepting asylum migrants from safe countries. We just cannot afford it anymore.

Spanish Eyes

The irony is that very few elected reps will put their heads above the parapet on this issue.

The media will not question this policy either. It will be railroaded through.

The vast majority of people do not want economic migrants procuring own door accommodation after four months even if their claim for asylum has not been verified.

The politicians do not understand how many taxpayers resent all this, when they or their kids are stuck sharing or living at home.

What is driving this? Are all EU countries adopting the same policy I wonder.

Patrick2010

Whats the situation in other Europe countries?. Where are asylum seekers housed and are they allowed endless appeals for years?.
Judging by some politicians replies here Ireland has no option but to offer asylum to anyone who turns up. Roderick O Connor even said there will be limit placed on numbers coming in the future. Once word gets out (and it will very quickly) that once you arrive in Ireland you only have to wait 4 months before being given your own accomodation the numbers are bound to rapidly increase.

decreds

Kivaro wrote: »

Astounding that they are going to have a separate housing fund just for asylum seekers. So Roderic O' Gorman is creating a two-tier society in Ireland with favouritism towards asylum seekers; specifically with the speed for when they get their own-door housing. This sounds illegal (unconstitutional) to me, and the Irish Government will indeed be sued in court over this.

In related news, our Finance Minister laid the groundwork today for increased taxes in order to pay for the massive Covid bill. So on one hand, the government will spend inordinate amounts of money on asylum housing for everyone who wants to come to our little island, while simultaneously increasing already high taxes on workers in Ireland.

These politicians in Dáil Éireann are living in a fantasy land if they think that this is acceptable to the majority of this country.

Great post. Whatever people's opinions are about anti-lockdown protests, the real reason to protest is due to the above.


We are being sold down the swanny by the very people we employ to govern us.

decreds

DerekC16 wrote: »

Varadkar said today the ireland 2040 plans will have to be revised as we are in a vastly different place now than they we were when those plans were made. Make of that what you will.

Irish being outbred.

decreds

We need a curated list of those that responded showing concern with the new reform and those that are absolute cowards/shills.

So far the only TD of note that may oppose this was Callaghan (FF) if i'm not mistaken?

We should never vote for the rest.

TomTomTim

decreds wrote: »

Great post. Whatever people's opinions are about anti-lockdown protests, the real reason to protest is due to the above.


We are being sold down the swanny by the very people we employ to govern us.

The most dangerous thing here is faith in democracy. If the elite keep playing the game the way that they've been playing it the last few years, creating policy that serves global interests and not the interests of the people, then we could genuinely see democracy become meaningless. When democracy becomes meaningless, we're on fertile ground for the rise of authoritarianism. If this does happen, I'll be laying the blame on every western politician that's been in power in the last 10 years, and not the people reacting to their failures.

Doctor Roast

TomTomTim wrote: »

The most dangerous thing here is faith in democracy. If the elite keep playing the game the way that they've been playing it the last few years, creating policy that serves global interests and not the interests of the people, then we could genuinely see democracy become meaningless. When democracy becomes meaningless, we're on fertile ground for the rise of authoritarianism. If this does happen, I'll be laying the blame on every western politician that's been in power in the last 10 years, and not the people reacting to their failures.

We're already very far down that road, we get the theatrics of going out to vote and that's about it, meanwhile we have organisations like the EU /UN in the background, an army of NGOs and a compliant media, any important decisions are kept well away from the general public.

DelaneyIn

Invidious wrote: »

Meanwhile, the Guardian has published a whinging piece from Bulelani Mfaco, spokesperson for the Movement of Asylum Seekers in Ireland, who writes "from his shared bedroom in direct provision" to complain that the proposed reforms are not good enough.

Hasn’t he been issued with a deportation order? This bum needs to go home.

ThunbergsAreGo

DelaneyIn wrote: »

Hasn’t he been issued with a deportation order? This bum needs to go home.

That lad is some grifter.....

The decision on his asylum request seems lacking from the article

I guess "I had to stay in direct provision because I refused to go home after having my request rejected and continuing with a spurious appeal" doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

He has some neck on him dosnt he.
Basically he wants and states that the Irish government should treat asylum seekers like Irish nationals..sorry bucko beggars can't be choosers in this life.
He states that asylum seekers won't get a choice where in the country they end up, does it actually cause that much concern if your safe and frankly speaking in a safe Refuge.

'' We wait for December 2024 to see if Ireland ends an era of abusing asylum seekers to deter others from coming''

So lads we've been abusing asylum seekers.
Gosh if its that bad maybe they need to seek asylum from us??

And the current system was put in place to' deter others from coming''
Couldn't make it up.

zell12

Anyone know how Pamela Izevbekhai is getting on in 2021?
2011 - €1m legal bill after Pamela and girls finally deported

The Nigerian mother's controversial six-year legal battle to stop her deportation ended yesterday when she was arrested at 1.30am and, with her two daughters, Naomi (10) and Jemima (9), placed on a 6am flight out of Dublin Airport

ThunbergsAreGo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He has some neck on him dosnt he.
Basically he wants and states that the Irish government should treat asylum seekers like Irish nationals..sorry bucko beggars can't be choosers in this life.
He states that asylum seekers won't get a choice where in the country they end up, does it actually cause that much concern if your safe and frankly speaking in a safe Refuge.

'' We wait for December 2024 to see if Ireland ends an era of abusing asylum seekers to deter others from coming''

So lads we've been abusing asylum seekers.
Gosh if its that bad maybe they need to seek asylum from us??

And the current system was put in place to' deter others from coming''
Couldn't make it up.

The state of journalism that allows it. Zero questioning.

what is your status? have you appealed? why have you not gone home? what exact was the threat to your life? Giveth the persecution you have faced should the UN denounce South Africa?

There was a newstalk piece on DP a while ago. Many in it were happy to be safe, fed and looked after. Its not perfect, but it's better then "home". These were likely the actual refugees, and let's not forget it is important to help genuine refugees.

Fake economic migrants prevent this happening more than anything else.

ThunbergsAreGo

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

The state of journalism that allows it. Zero questioning.

what is your status? have you appealed? why have you not gone home? what exact was the threat to your life? Giveth the persecution you have faced should the UN denounce South Africa?

There was a newstalk piece on DP a while ago. Many in it were happy to be safe, fed and looked after. Its not perfect, but it's better then "home". These were likely the actual refugees, and let's not forget it is important to help genuine refugees.

Fake economic migrants prevent this happening more than anything else.

Absolutely agree.
And you usually see stories and hear that the genuine asylum seekers seek to do better, employment, education etc.
And agreed our media are a bunch of wimps really, fanning these woke whinging types constantly. Giving them a platform to whinge and never once go back to thier journalism roots and question anything, cant even call anything in Ireland journalism at this stage unfortunately.

Doctor Roast

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

The state of journalism that allows it. Zero questioning.

what is your status? have you appealed? why have you not gone home? what exact was the threat to your life? Giveth the persecution you have faced should the UN denounce South Africa?

There was a newstalk piece on DP a while ago. Many in it were happy to be safe, fed and looked after. Its not perfect, but it's better then "home". These were likely the actual refugees, and let's not forget it is important to help genuine refugees.

Fake economic migrants prevent this happening more than anything else.

In a few months they'll turn up in the Irish Times "new to the parish" by that hack Sorcha Pollak... Telling us how racist the Irish are

ThunbergsAreGo

Doctor Roast wrote: »

In a few months they'll turn up in the Irish Times "new to the parish" by that hack Sorcha Pollak... Telling us how racist the Irish are

Thats very unfair that many that go through DP are genuinely grateful, those escaping actual oppression etc.

They are just also the ones less likely to make noise

jmreire

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Thats very unfair that many that go through DP are genuinely grateful, those escaping actual oppression etc.

They are just also the ones less likely to make noise

Anyone who is a genuine refugee, and has lived in one of the tented camps sourrounding say Syria ( but there are many others too) will be more than gratefull to have a roof over their head's, food and drink, medical help and most important security..... no shooting or bombing going on around them. They will not be the ones complaining.

goose2005

Invidious wrote: »

Meanwhile, the Guardian has published a whinging piece from Bulelani Mfaco, spokesperson for the Movement of Asylum Seekers in Ireland, who writes "from his shared bedroom in direct provision" to complain that the proposed reforms are not good enough.

interestingly he doesn't mention that he's from South Africa, presumably because that would baffle Guardian readers who would wonder how people are leaving RSA as refugees and travelling halfway round the world. The Guardian don't allow comments on immigration, race or gender-related articles because they used to get too many reader comments against them.

jmreire

goose2005 wrote: »

interestingly he doesn't mention that he's from South Africa, presumably because that would baffle Guardian readers who would wonder how people are leaving RSA as refugees and travelling halfway round the world. The Guardian don't allow comments on immigration, race or gender-related articles because they used to get too many reader comments against them.

Does he still have his passport, I wonder???

punisher5112

zell12 wrote: »

Anyone know how Pamela Izevbekhai is getting on in 2021?
2011 - €1m legal bill after Pamela and girls finally deported

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if they were to arrive back.

Markus Antonius

decreds wrote: »

Irish being outbred.

And outfed

Galwayguy35

Invidious wrote: »

Meanwhile, the Guardian has published a whinging piece from Bulelani Mfaco, spokesperson for the Movement of Asylum Seekers in Ireland, who writes "from his shared bedroom in direct provision" to complain that the proposed reforms are not good enough.

He gets free health care and legal representation which the "Irish Nationals" who pay a sh1tload of tax have to pay for out of our own pockets.

If this country is as bad as he makes out why are they all passing over the rest of Europe to come here?

DelaneyIn

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

He gets free health care and legal representation which the "Irish Nationals" who pay a sh1tload of tax have to pay for out of our own pockets.

If this country is as bad as he makes out why are they all passing over the rest of Europe to come here?

Somewhere and somehow word got out that this is Treasure Ireland. The majority of Africans resident in Ireland are unemployed. The 53 countries on the continent need work visas to enter and reside in the state. It’s baffling.

https://www.ucd.ie/geary/static/publications/workingpapers/gearywp201816.pdf

We are seen as a soft touch as is. This free for all will get out and we will be inundated with more bogus asylum claimants.

jay0109

zell12 wrote: »

Anyone know how Pamela Izevbekhai is getting on in 2021?
2011 - €1m legal bill after Pamela and girls finally deported

If there were any real journalists left in this country, some of them would by now have gone to Nigeria to do a follow up on the bauld Pamela and see how things are going for her.
Of course they won't because odds are that she has settled back into her middle class Nigerian life and it's much the same as it was before she decided to up sticks and travel to Ireland.

I wonder would the likes of Gript do a follow up? It would make a great story