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Govt to replace Direct Provision with protection system
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Indeed. Well regardless of yours or my opinions on the topic the blight of direct provision is finally coming to an end. That is the most important thing for both refugees and Irish people.
Once the changes come into place it won't even be newsworthy. Life goes on
Except that I don't see DP as any kind of blight. It was badly envisioned, and managed but all systems need time before they can become fit for purpose. The problem was more to do with our politicians, and their inability to put practical considerations ahead of their need to virtue signal, and line the pockets of their friends in providing contracts for DP.
The end of DP doesn't mean any advent of positives for Irish people. If anything it brings in a host of negatives, because the costs involved to provide an alternative system will increase dramatically, both in terms of financing, and this bizarre "need" to place the requirements of migrants ahead of the provision for Irish people.
TBH you seem rather confused. In your first post you criticised the people who called for the end of DP suggesting that they were lefties who wouldn't be affected either way... and now you, yourself, are advocating the end of DP.
So which is it? Or are you one of these supposed lefties living in leafy areas?Life goes on
Of course it does, and it is becoming progressively worse for native Irish people.0 -
Direct provision cannot continue in its current form. This is the chosen new system. If people don't like it well that's tough luck. It can't continue
The problem is that DP wasn't encouraged to evolve. Instead, politicians and the media gave voice to all the migrant NGOs in claiming unfit standards. There was a clear agenda at play throughout the whole process relating to DP. It really showed the corruption that remains within Irish society.. the elephant in the room that nobody wants to deal with. Institutionalised ineptitude. Yay. TBH, it' reminds me a lot of the way China does government led developments.. between the ineptitude shown, the poor standards, and the corruption.. ending in an extremely low quality result, subject to all manner of problems.. which means another development down the line done by the same people involved in the first. Rinse and repeat.
IMHO Dormitory style buildings should have been built, with basic facilities, operated by the migrants themselves under a tight budget, with paid employment provided to cover the costs involved, while their applications were being processed. But then, we should also have deported everyone who failed their first appeal, and not allowed bogus claimants to fill up available space and resources.
The fact of the matter is that there was little interest by anyone to improve the system of DP. They wanted from the outset to allow migrants easy access to Ireland, and they're quickly approaching that position, along with the taxpayer footing the bill for a rather lush starting position.. in addition to all the extra benefits of being a minority. The expectation being that Asylum seekers should have the same lifestyle as Irish people who had been working/saving for most of their adult lives. It's ridiculous, but it seems a common viewpoint among those people who won't consider the limitations that Ireland has, as a small nation.0 -
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So which is it? Or are you one of these supposed lefties living in leafy areas?
Im just apathetic to the whole thing. Modern Ireland is a hollowed out, greed driven kip. It's not worth saving0 -
Im just apathetic to the whole thing. Modern Ireland is a hollowed out, greed driven kip. It's not worth saving
For you perhaps. Many of us still value this country, have a sense of place, and wish to raise our families here.
The current status quo won’t hold indefinitely. Irish people will eventually tire of seeing outsiders being prioritized above the indigenous. There will be pushback when this movement finds political expression.
The hope is that it materializes before the current cohort of clowns can inflict too much damage on our society.0 -
For you perhaps. Many of us still value this country, have a sense of place, and wish to raise our families here.
The current status quo won’t hold indefinitely. Irish people will eventually tire of seeing outsiders being prioritized above the indigenous. There will be pushback when this movement finds political expression.
The hope is that it materializes before the current cohort of clowns can inflict too much damage on our society.
Really?
It hasn't happened in any meaningful enough way in any other country and they are much further down the path than Ireland.0 -
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For you perhaps. Many of us still value this country, have a sense of place, and wish to raise our families here.
The current status quo won’t hold indefinitely. Irish people will eventually tire of seeing outsiders being prioritized above the indigenous. There will be pushback when this movement finds political expression.
The hope is that it materializes before the current cohort of clowns can inflict too much damage on our society.
Too late unfortunately.
Britain have somewhat managed it with Brexit but because of the way they went about it most Irish people think they are a laughing stock so would never envisage Ireland taking back control of its borders.
There is noone speaking out and it's been brushed aside with covid.
Niall Boylan is the only media presenter who had expressed some worry openly about the policy.
And most people just dismiss him as a shock jock.
Too late to stop this unfortunately.
We're paying for the guilt of privileged spoiled kids.0 -
Really?
It hasn't happened in any meaningful enough way in any other country and they are much further down the path than Ireland.
UK, Denmark, Netherlands, France, Italy, Germany, Austria, Visegrad four all have significant political parties pushing back against unfettered immigration.
Even Sweden is starting to increase the barriers to entry. There’s no reason why such a political force will not gain traction in Ireland.0 -
Jinglejangle69 wrote: »Too late unfortunately.
Britain have somewhat managed it with Brexit but because of the way they went about it most Irish people think they are a laughing stock so would never envisage Ireland taking back control of its borders.
There is noone speaking out and it's been brushed aside with covid.
Niall Boylan is the only media presenter who had expressed some worry openly about the policy.
And most people just dismiss him as a shock jock.
Too late to stop this unfortunately.
We're paying for the guilt of privileged spolied kids.
It’s not too late to stop anything. The demographics of Ireland are still relatively decent relative to our European neighbors. We’re also blessed with a fairly robust birth rate.
I disagree with Brexit. Ireland’s place is within Europe. I also have no issue with the principle of freedom of movement. What’s needed here is a points-based non-EU immigration system that controls for high caliber inward migration and screens out the cornucopia of chancers currently subverting the asylum system and the language visa route.
There’s no reason why this sensible approach cannot be implemented.0 -
Unfortunately, the Irish "It'll be grand attitude" will be the death of us. Far too many people are happy to moan about something but when it comes to writing to a TD etc they don't want to inconvenience themselves. We are a reactionary people that will moan once something has happened but do nothing pro-active to make sure it dosent happen.
I do think it only takes one person or a party to get people in the line though. Look at what Peter Casey did with the election. Like him or not he voiced what a lot of Irish people were feeling.
Maybe we need to start our own party / movement? Stranger things have happened0 -
UK, Denmark, Netherlands, France, Italy, Germany, Austria, Visegrad four all have significant political parties pushing back against unfettered immigration.
Even Sweden is starting to increase the barriers to entry. There’s no reason why such a political force will not gain traction in Ireland.
Way too late. Minority movements that are decades too late. Token gestures.
Nothing meaningful0 -
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Way too late. Minority movements that are decades too late. Token gestures.
Nothing meaningful
Too late for what? Have you ever visited or lived in any of those countries?
All are perfectly fine, with the exception of France and the UK, both of which are still fairly culturally and demographically intact outside their capitals.
I feel quite optimistic that change is coming. You sound depressed. You really should do something about that.0 -
Too late for what? Have you ever visited or lived in any of those countries?
All are perfectly fine, with the exception of France and the UK, both of which are still fairly culturally and demographically intact outside their capitals.
I feel quite optimistic that change is coming. You sound depressed. You really should do something about that.
Out of that list if been to the UK, France and the Netherlands.
You saying that they are still fairly culturally and demographically intact outside of their capitals is a massive untruth .
The only change coming is the increase of speed down the current path.0 -
Out of that list if been to the UK, France and the Netherlands.
You saying that they are still fairly culturally and demographically intact outside of their capitals is a massive untruth.
You can of course back that statement up with data?
The UK and the Netherlands are still ~80% indigenous, plus significant numbers of European migrants.
France doesn’t collect data based on ethnicity. Anybody with eyes can see that the population is predominantly native French outside Paris and Marseilles.
The situation is even more favorable in the other nations referenced.
No ‘massive’ untruths. Things are still solid, particularly with counter-positions gaining traction across the continent.0 -
Something you all might find interesting on the topic of Europe and immigration. The most popular new born boys name in Oslo, Norway in 2020 was Mohammad
https://www.ssb.no/en/befolkning/statistikker/navn/aar/2021-01-21?fane=tabell&sort=nummer&tabell=4434040 -
Im just apathetic to the whole thing. Modern Ireland is a hollowed out, greed driven kip. It's not worth saving
First off, Ireland is definitely not a kip. It's a relatively safe country (which is actually quite rare these days), with decent infrastructure, and a sustainable economy (when handled correctly). The standard of living in Ireland is actually quite high, in comparison with other western nations, especially, when you take into account that it was considered a poor nation roughly 40 years ago.
Secondly, hollowed out.. yeah.. no.. not really. I do think that Irish people have lost touch with the uniqueness that was Ireland, but honestly, that's pretty common with most western nations. As countries become more prosperous, and focus on consumerism, there tends to be a washing out of culture, with a bland international "feel" brought into being. The countries in continental Europe have managed to resist that somewhat, but they've been managed by politicians who actually like their own culture, and don't feel the need to nanny govern every aspect of people's lifestyle.
Thirdly, greed driven. Modern capitalism, and consumerism. It's everywhere. And honestly, I find that few normal people are particularly greed driven, especially in comparison to cultures like the US or China, for whom they have a long history of being particularly wealth orientated.
As for not worth saving.. Get a grip, and consider your nationality. If you don't care about being Irish.. perhaps you should live elsewhere. Honestly, I suspect you should live abroad for a decade, simply to get some practical perspective in how other countries operate, and the effects of modern systems of social evolution. You seem to be lacking in awareness of the place small countries have in the world... although, that kinda places you in the same situation as the politicians and the lefties you were criticising earlier. A general unwillingness to consider the practical considerations of a small country, and believing that the economic booms will continue to roll in... without understanding how those booms occurred in the first place.
Get some perspective. I suspect you'll be happier for it.0 -
Something you all might find interesting on the topic of Europe and immigration. The most popular new born boys name in Oslo, Norway in 2020 was Mohammad
https://www.ssb.no/en/befolkning/statistikker/navn/aar/2021-01-21?fane=tabell&sort=nummer&tabell=443404
I don't particularly have a problem with that.0 -
You can of course back that statement up with data?
The UK and the Netherlands are still ~80% indigenous, plus significant numbers of European migrants.
France doesn’t collect data based on ethnicity. Anybody with eyes can see that the population is predominantly native French outside Paris and Marseilles.
The situation is even more favorable in the other nations referenced.
No ‘massive’ untruths. Things are still solid, particularly with counter-positions gaining traction across the continent.
The simple truth is that Europe would lose a significant percentage of it's migrant born population if/when all benefits for minorities were to be stopped. Especially, if controls were further placed on welfare supports, and a requirement on migrants to be gainfully employed to remain in European countries.
And should the perception on acquired citizenship, and ethnicity, be changed, we could easily see those migrants who have received citizenship or residency within the last two decades, but have failed to prove a contribution to society... find themselves having their status being revoked.
The attitude towards migrants and generational foreign ethnic groups in Europe is changing rapidly.. just as people are less willing to accept the UN's declarations on peoples rights as regards to citizenship. I wouldn't be too surprised to see mass deportations begin to happen within the next decade regarding those foreign born (and their families that might be born in Europe) who have failed to establish a self-sustainable existence or who have failed to avoid being caught for illegal actions.0 -
You can of course back that statement up with data?
The UK and the Netherlands are still ~80% indigenous, plus significant numbers of European migrants.
France doesn’t collect data based on ethnicity. Anybody with eyes can see that the population is predominantly native French outside Paris and Marseilles.
The situation is even more favorable in the other nations referenced.
No ‘massive’ untruths. Things are still solid, particularly with counter-positions gaining traction across the continent.
The capital citiy is no longer majority British. And you say this is favourable? Lol
How about Birmingham or Luton?
Almost 40% of children under 5 in Germany are from a migrant background
Look at the figures. European countries coming up on 20% foreign born populations.
This figure will only increase due to low European fertility rates, natural immigration, climate refugees.
You can't fight destiny. Europe cannot grow otherwise0 -
The capital citiy is no longer majority British. And you say this is favourable? Lol
How about Birmingham or Luton?
Almost 40% of children under 5 in Germany are from a migrant background
Look at the figures. European countries coming up on 20% foreign born populations.
This figure will only increase due to low European fertility rates, natural immigration, climate refugees.
You can't fight destiny. Europe cannot grow otherwise
I am not sure how this relates to Direct Provision in Ireland. Let's have an honest debate on the subject, without extenuating factors that are not related to the topic.0 -
The capital citiy is no longer majority British. And you say this is favourable? Lol
Britain has problems but then, it was the biggest colonial power in the world. Stands to reason they would have issues, although, to be fair, they're managing to spin it quite well over time.
Integration of non-native cultures is actually very high in the UK.. and that will increase, again, over time. There are not going to be any quick solutions for the UK.This figure will only increase due to low European fertility rates, natural immigration, climate refugees.
You can't fight destiny. Europe cannot grow otherwise
Actually, the problem with birth rates is less to do with fertility, and more to do with the manner in which people live. With consistent rising costs of living, the stress, and need for wealth, prevents many people from having children before they're 30, whereby the natural biological clock kicks in, reducing actual fertility, and increasing the risks of defects, which in turn, increase the costs to parents, and turn others off having children themselves.
Europe's low birth rates could be easily solved, by governments providing financial incentives for people to have children, reducing the need to work long hours. The push by feminism, and the demands of modern living pushed women out of the home, and into the workplace. By encouraging women to return to the role of mothers (which many women actually want), countries could easily turn the tide against low birth rates.
Sure, fertility rates are dropping.. but that's actually happening everywhere around the world. What you tend to see with immigrants coming to western nations, is that they have larger families before they arrive, or while they're currently on welfare supports, but once they're required to provide for themselves, the rate of births drop significantly... even among cultures with a tradition of large families. Why? Simple economics. It's simply too expensive to have and maintain kids.
All reversible if the desire was there... but it's not, because the native population are the largest contributors to revenue for governments, and they need them to work/spend, so that their virtue projects are paid for.0 -
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The capital citiy is no longer majority British. And you say this is favourable? Lol
How about Birmingham or Luton?
Almost 40% of children under 5 in Germany are from a migrant background
Look at the figures. European countries coming up on 20% foreign born populations.
This figure will only increase due to low European fertility rates, natural immigration, climate refugees.
You can't fight destiny. Europe cannot grow otherwise
UK: Many of the larger cities are still > 75% White British including Greater Manchester, Liverpool, Bristol, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Cardiff etc.. You do realize that the overwhelming majority of the UK population does not live in London or Birmingham?
Germany: I lived there for a decade. Migration background or migrationshintergrund refers to all non ethnic-Germans. It includes millions of white Europeans with their origins in Poland, Eastern European, the Balkans etc.. Germany also integrated millions of Volga Germans called aussiedler from the old Soviet Union, particularly from Russia and Kazakhstan, throughout the ‘90s and early 00’s. The offspring of all of these cohorts are included in that 40% figure. The situation in Germany is far from the catastrophe you are trying to depict.
Governments can instigate policies to drive up fertility rates. Immigration can be controlled. Europe can and will remain recognizably European long into the future. People like myself with two young children and hopefully blessed with more remain optimistic about the future and building a decent society for our children to inherit. We don’t buy into your nihilism.0 -
Direct provision cannot continue in its current form. This is the chosen new system. If people don't like it well that's tough luck. It can't continue
Yes, correct, DP should be ended.
It is unfair to keep the applicants waiting so long for a decision.
I suggest issuing a decision with 24hrs - 7 days max, at the port of entry.
No AS should move past the port of entry.
Be fair to them, and process their claim quickly.0 -
[Deleted User] wrote: »Britain has problems but then, it was the biggest colonial power in the world. Stands to reason they would have issues, although, to be fair, they're managing to spin it quite well over time.
Integration of non-native cultures is actually very high in the UK.. and that will increase, again, over time. There are not going to be any quick solutions for the UK.
Actually, the problem with birth rates is less to do with fertility, and more to do with the manner in which people live. With consistent rising costs of living, the stress, and need for wealth, prevents many people from having children before they're 30, whereby the natural biological clock kicks in, reducing actual fertility, and increasing the risks of defects, which in turn, increase the costs to parents, and turn others off having children themselves.
Europe's low birth rates could be easily solved, by governments providing financial incentives for people to have children, reducing the need to work long hours. The push by feminism, and the demands of modern living pushed women out of the home, and into the workplace. By encouraging women to return to the role of mothers (which many women actually want), countries could easily turn the tide against low birth rates.
Sure, fertility rates are dropping.. but that's actually happening everywhere around the world. What you tend to see with immigrants coming to western nations, is that they have larger families before they arrive, or while they're currently on welfare supports, but once they're required to provide for themselves, the rate of births drop significantly... even among cultures with a tradition of large families. Why? Simple economics. It's simply too expensive to have and maintain kids.
All reversible if the desire was there... but it's not, because the native population are the largest contributors to revenue for governments, and they need them to work/spend, so that their virtue projects are paid for.
Your post is pretty much spot on. I cannot argue against it. In fact I agree with your points0 -
Yes, correct, DP should be ended.
It is unfair to keep the applicants waiting so long for a decision.
I suggest issuing a decision with 24hrs - 7 days max, at the port of entry.
No AS should move past the port of entry.
Be fair to them, and process their claim quickly.
A week is a bit of a stretch to get it processed. I would be happy if the Irish Gov at least accepted the EU pact from last September to max the time for an AS application to 12 weeks, including a single appeal.
Like, I get that people stcuk in DP for years is bad, it really is. SO whats the logical solution? Obviously its work damn hard to get that time frame lowered so people can get their claims verified (or denied) and move on, not stuck in a limbo for months on end.
But for some ridiculous reason our Gov feels the best solution is just move them on to their own gaff....and sure lob a work visa at them too I know most other folks have to jump through hoops and prove to other countries they are a valuable asset to allow work within their borders but the folks whose claims you haven't even verified....why not? No mandate from them to ensure claims are done by a set timeframe; no spend to increase the department to move the backlog of claims; nowt!
All I can think is they spend too much time listening to NGOs who have a cohort from the AS side within them that have a VERY vested interest in their claims not being expedited but in getting free homes and un-verified work permits...its strange that!0 -
The comparison of DP with the Magdalene homes / industrial schools pushed by the NGOs is so offensive. The women and children in those places were Irish, incarcerated by their own society for not fitting into its rigid parameters. They were exploited economically and did hard manual labour to make a profit for others. The children were denied a proper education. Many suffered physical, emotional and sexual abuse. Mothers had their babies removed from them against their will, with no chance of keeping and raising them themselves. Records were falsified so even years later people struggled to find details of what had happened to them and to trace family members.
To set that against: someone who has had the means and wealth to make their way to this country across thousands of miles and past many many other safe countries, staying in accommodation where they are free to come and go, free to work (it was very easy to work "off the books" somewhere even before they got official permission and many did). Free education for their kids, transport to nearby schools, free healthcare, three meals a day, free legal aid, translators, NGOs pleading their cause in the media and government level, representation on bodies that influence government policy and law around AS. Soft uncritical coverage in the media. This, with the giant elephant in the room that the vast majority of their claims are without merit, that they are - yeah, I'll be blunt - frauds and liars who are taking the place of people who actually *do* have a genuine claim for asylum, and who have in the past 20 years destroyed Irish people's goodwill towards genuine refugees.
It's really disrespectful to the history of our own incarcerated people to even mention AS in the same breath as them. Talk about cultural appropriation.0 -
A week is a bit of a stretch to get it processed. I would be happy if the Irish Gov at least accepted the EU pact from last September to max the time for an AS application to 12 weeks, including a single appeal.
Like, I get that people stcuk in DP for years is bad, it really is. SO whats the logical solution? Obviously its work damn hard to get that time frame lowered so people can get their claims verified (or denied) and move on, not stuck in a limbo for months on end.
But for some ridiculous reason our Gov feels the best solution is just move them on to their own gaff....and sure lob a work visa at them too I know most other folks have to jump through hoops and prove to other countries they are a valuable asset to allow work within their borders but the folks whose claims you haven't even verified....why not? No mandate from them to ensure claims are done by a set timeframe; no spend to increase the department to move the backlog of claims; nowt!
All I can think is they spend too much time listening to NGOs who have a cohort from the AS side within them that have a VERY vested interest in their claims not being expedited but in getting free homes and un-verified work permits...its strange that!
The first thing that should be done is, if you have no passport you don't get off the plane, simple.
You need one to get on so you need one to get off, let the airline take them back to where the boarded,
Why would you lose your passport if you have nothing to hide, it doesn't take inspector Morse to work that one out.0 -
Deleted User wrote: »First off, Ireland is definitely not a kip. It's a relatively safe country (which is actually quite rare these days), with decent infrastructure, and a sustainable economy (when handled correctly). The standard of living in Ireland is actually quite high, in comparison with other western nations, especially, when you take into account that it was considered a poor nation roughly 40 years ago.
Secondly, hollowed out.. yeah.. no.. not really. I do think that Irish people have lost touch with the uniqueness that was Ireland, but honestly, that's pretty common with most western nations. As countries become more prosperous, and focus on consumerism, there tends to be a washing out of culture, with a bland international "feel" brought into being. The countries in continental Europe have managed to resist that somewhat, but they've been managed by politicians who actually like their own culture, and don't feel the need to nanny govern every aspect of people's lifestyle.
Thirdly, greed driven. Modern capitalism, and consumerism. It's everywhere. And honestly, I find that few normal people are particularly greed driven, especially in comparison to cultures like the US or China, for whom they have a long history of being particularly wealth orientated.
As for not worth saving.. Get a grip, and consider your nationality. If you don't care about being Irish.. perhaps you should live elsewhere. Honestly, I suspect you should live abroad for a decade, simply to get some practical perspective in how other countries operate, and the effects of modern systems of social evolution. You seem to be lacking in awareness of the place small countries have in the world... although, that kinda places you in the same situation as the politicians and the lefties you were criticising earlier. A general unwillingness to consider the practical considerations of a small country, and believing that the economic booms will continue to roll in... without understanding how those booms occurred in the first place.
Get some perspective. I suspect you'll be happier for it.
You've got my vote Klaz.0 -
Unfortunately, the Irish "It'll be grand attitude" will be the death of us. Far too many people are happy to moan about something but when it comes to writing to a TD etc they don't want to inconvenience themselves. We are a reactionary people that will moan once something has happened but do nothing pro-active to make sure it dosent happen.
I do think it only takes one person or a party to get people in the line though. Look at what Peter Casey did with the election. Like him or not he voiced what a lot of Irish people were feeling.
Maybe we need to start our own party / movement? Stranger things have happened
I see this coming up time and again.
I think there is an opening out there of some sort for a party that would actually be for the working person that gets up in the morning.
We need a party that is conservative or even properly old fashioned middle of the road.
A party that would build prisons to match our increased population and level of crime, a party that would prioritise workers as opposed to career welfareists, a party that would have sane immigration policies like no passport no entry, one asylum rejection and deportation, a points system for legal entrants based on skills and compatability.
The sad thing is almost most of the ones that are anyway conservative in terms of immigration and law and order enter politics because they are more interested in who people sleep with and what women can do when pregnant.
I suppose the question is whether any major half decent politician has the balls to start.
Casey, Grealish, Murphy all proved people will vote for them despite the media and social media driven hate campaign against them.
FG is no way conservative or centrist anymore, even in fiscal matters, despite the jibes by the perennial lefties about blueshirts and links to DO'B.
ff were always populist clowns and if everyone was a fascist or a communist so would they.
labour, greens, PBP, SDs are dangerous fools on crusades of their own.
sinn fein have spent most of their existence trying to rid the island of Brits and British supporters only to now climb on board the immigrant welcome wagon in the hope of changing demographics.I am not allowed discuss …
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[Deleted User] wrote: »Britain has problems but then, it was the biggest colonial power in the world. Stands to reason they would have issues, although, to be fair, they're managing to spin it quite well over time.
Integration of non-native cultures is actually very high in the UK.. and that will increase, again, over time. There are not going to be any quick solutions for the UK.
Actually, the problem with birth rates is less to do with fertility, and more to do with the manner in which people live. With consistent rising costs of living, the stress, and need for wealth, prevents many people from having children before they're 30, whereby the natural biological clock kicks in, reducing actual fertility, and increasing the risks of defects, which in turn, increase the costs to parents, and turn others off having children themselves.
Europe's low birth rates could be easily solved, by governments providing financial incentives for people to have children, reducing the need to work long hours. The push by feminism, and the demands of modern living pushed women out of the home, and into the workplace. By encouraging women to return to the role of mothers (which many women actually want), countries could easily turn the tide against low birth rates.
Sure, fertility rates are dropping.. but that's actually happening everywhere around the world. What you tend to see with immigrants coming to western nations, is that they have larger families before they arrive, or while they're currently on welfare supports, but once they're required to provide for themselves, the rate of births drop significantly... even among cultures with a tradition of large families. Why? Simple economics. It's simply too expensive to have and maintain kids.
All reversible if the desire was there... but it's not, because the native population are the largest contributors to revenue for governments, and they need them to work/spend, so that their virtue projects are paid for.
Maybe the solution is we all go on the dole and have lots of kids. We become their virtue signaling project. They can borrow up to the tits and then we the real arse goes out of the economy. We can revert back to normality.0 -
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The basic minutes for anyone interested in what these people are actually saying.
O Gorman speaking about direct provision, multiculturalism, Irish people broadly wanting to welcome refugees, challenging people who don't etc.
Building of apartment blocks, buying of housing and other accomodation. Wrap around supports including welfare, medical and education are ready to go.
Joe O Brien (also green party) spoke next. Also about the funding, community integration, applicants will live in towns and cities, free education, social housing in a short period of time, every county in Ireland will have its own volunteer centre to help refugees
Pa Daly (SF) then stood up and spoke about refugees playing gaa in Kerry. Described one of them as the "best player to have ever played in Kerry" . Spoke about how important own door accomodation is around the country and how SF supported this.
" Turn commercial property into own door accomodation for arrivals" he stated
"Full welfare rights a must"
"Healthcare workers should not be deported"
Next up Kathleen Functhion also SF
"Young Irish people want to see applications turned around quicker"
"SF support own door accomodation, especially for children"
"Hire staff with correct skills to deal with children who need special care"
"Child benefit for children in direct provision is the correct strategy"
Sean Sherlock (Labour) Cork East
"The labour citizenship bill" "CHILDREN BORN IN DIRECT PROVISION SHOULD BE GRANTED IRISH CITIZENSHIP!"
"Driving license a great path for new arrivals to have a bit of freedom"
"Labour support the government in relation to the white paper"
"Rte reported that 2 health care workers had to leave work due to temporary accommodation and were returned back to direct provision"
Rambled on and then ran out of time
Jennifer Murnane FF
"21 years of direct provision a disgrace"
"Women in marginalized groups most affected by covid 19"
"Lidl free period products"
"Do women in Dp get free products"
" Everyone needs a house, how much funding will refugees get?"
Cathal Crowe FF
" Protests against refugees disgraceful"
"Refugees have enriched his community"
An example of someone who went through the system, now a nurse with an Irish passport
"Black lives matter also means end direct provision"
"People in direct provision are disenfranchised"
"Niall Boylan stated that new arrivals leap frog people already in the system, this is wrong"
Richard Bruton FG says we only see a fraction of applicants compared to our neighbors and need to have a surge capacity
John LaHart ? says that don't give people the chance to say that they are being discriminated against because applicants get accomodation after 4 months while they have been on a list for 10 years. Must be separate lists.
Matt Carthy SF compares direct provision to the Magdalene laundries
Brid Smith PBP warns about the far right. Says leaflets are going through doors saying we must look after our own. States a hotel housing homeless has been cleared out to accommodate workers from big business Keelings. Says we can look after everyone and beware the racists and far right
John McGuiness FF welcomes the white paper but says we cannot wait until 2024. Proposes an amnesty granting anyone currently in direct provision is permitted full working and welfare rights immediately. Hinted at passports also. Wants entire system fastracked quotes modern technology as the reason.
Padraic o Sullivan FF wants current accomodation improved gives his local centre as example.
Bernard Durkin FG says he has 20 years of dealing with horrific cases. Says not everyone welcomes refugees Irish people especially should understand. SAYS THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH ECONOMIC IMMIGRANTS.
Reads Croinin SF Irish people should understand oppression says Irish people should look into the eyes of refugees and they will see the Irish from years ago. Warns about climate change and the far right. People should be allowed to work immediately . Irish people sent home money from America.
Dennis Naughton IND direct provision is immoral, 7500 people in the system
Marc o caitsaigh (green party) congratulates green party for acting on ending dp. Has thought children in a do centre. Fabric of Irish society is richer with refugees
Joe Flaherty FF gives an example of a refugee in DP. Says the refugee is a great dancer. Must be allowed to stay. Personally lobbies for the refugee
Michael Collins IND says accomodation providers earn too much money. States the figure spent on dp and asks how many houses could have been built for refugees instead with the money. Says families could have taken in refugees instead
Matty McGrath IND a gravy train for centre owners. Says it takes too long and wonders where the children are disappearing to. 440 just gone he's says. Slave labour? Sex trade? He asks.
Calls tusla an unaccountable disgrace. Says money is just thrown at them.
Thomas Pringle IND says 60 families just moved into own door accomodation in Donegal but wonders who is making money from the system. Says no way that dp will end in 2024. Says dept of justice not prepared or funded to deal with numbers of applicants. Recommends everyone read a short story written by a refugee.
Catherine Connolly IND warns minister that he will be pushed every step of the way in shutting down dp. Says do was only designed to make money for "big boys". Mentions amenesty and right to work in meantime.
AND FINALLY O'GORMAN'S RESPONSE TO COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS:
Thanks all groups who contributed to information regarding direct provision. Says the white paper is done , the department is ready to move to the new model.
Mentions housing saying housing will take place in conjunction with social housing. 50k social houses.
A separate budget for refugees housing to the department of housing budget
Phase 1 four 4 months and then move to community with full supports. If work cannot be found then full welfare rights.
People living in direct provision and also working in health services (1500 people) should be dealt with by HSE regarding housing near work.
"Large number of raised issues, won't have time to respond to all"
Location of new centres depends on available schools.
17k undocumented people may be "sorted " by September. Under remit of justice dept.
Period products provided free of charge, bank accounts and driving licenses to be arranged. Bank account already underway
Access to higher and further education a must and Simon Harris is arranging
Significant investment into decision system both manpower and financial.
All garbage. Everyone with the same opinion no matter the party. Nobody concerned about the concerns of Irish people.0
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