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Govt to replace Direct Provision with protection system
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https://www.oireachtas.ie/hourly/
The basic minutes for anyone interested in what these people are actually saying.
O Gorman speaking about direct provision, multiculturalism, Irish people broadly wanting to welcome refugees, challenging people who don't etc.
Building of apartment blocks, buying of housing and other accomodation. Wrap around supports including welfare, medical and education are ready to go.
Joe O Brien (also green party) spoke next. Also about the funding, community integration, applicants will live in towns and cities, free education, social housing in a short period of time, every county in Ireland will have its own volunteer centre to help refugees
Pa Daly (SF) then stood up and spoke about refugees playing gaa in Kerry. Described one of them as the "best player to have ever played in Kerry" . Spoke about how important own door accomodation is around the country and how SF supported this.
" Turn commercial property into own door accomodation for arrivals" he stated
"Full welfare rights a must"
"Healthcare workers should not be deported"
Next up Kathleen Functhion also SF
"Young Irish people want to see applications turned around quicker"
"SF support own door accomodation, especially for children"
"Hire staff with correct skills to deal with children who need special care"
"Child benefit for children in direct provision is the correct strategy"
Sean Sherlock (Labour) Cork East
"The labour citizenship bill" "CHILDREN BORN IN DIRECT PROVISION SHOULD BE GRANTED IRISH CITIZENSHIP!"
"Driving license a great path for new arrivals to have a bit of freedom"
"Labour support the government in relation to the white paper"
"Rte reported that 2 health care workers had to leave work due to temporary accommodation and were returned back to direct provision"
Rambled on and then ran out of time
Jennifer Murnane FF
"21 years of direct provision a disgrace"
"Women in marginalized groups most affected by covid 19"
"Lidl free period products"
"Do women in Dp get free products"
" Everyone needs a house, how much funding will refugees get?"
Cathal Crowe FF
" Protests against refugees disgraceful"
"Refugees have enriched his community"
An example of someone who went through the system, now a nurse with an Irish passport
"Black lives matter also means end direct provision"
"People in direct provision are disenfranchised"
"Niall Boylan stated that new arrivals leap frog people already in the system, this is wrong"
Richard Bruton FG says we only see a fraction of applicants compared to our neighbors and need to have a surge capacity
John LaHart ? says that don't give people the chance to say that they are being discriminated against because applicants get accomodation after 4 months while they have been on a list for 10 years. Must be separate lists.
Matt Carthy SF compares direct provision to the Magdalene laundries
Brid Smith PBP warns about the far right. Says leaflets are going through doors saying we must look after our own. States a hotel housing homeless has been cleared out to accommodate workers from big business Keelings. Says we can look after everyone and beware the racists and far right
John McGuiness FF welcomes the white paper but says we cannot wait until 2024. Proposes an amnesty granting anyone currently in direct provision is permitted full working and welfare rights immediately. Hinted at passports also. Wants entire system fastracked quotes modern technology as the reason.
Padraic o Sullivan FF wants current accomodation improved gives his local centre as example.
Bernard Durkin FG says he has 20 years of dealing with horrific cases. Says not everyone welcomes refugees Irish people especially should understand. SAYS THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH ECONOMIC IMMIGRANTS.
Reads Croinin SF Irish people should understand oppression says Irish people should look into the eyes of refugees and they will see the Irish from years ago. Warns about climate change and the far right. People should be allowed to work immediately . Irish people sent home money from America.
Dennis Naughton IND direct provision is immoral, 7500 people in the system
Marc o caitsaigh (green party) congratulates green party for acting on ending dp. Has thought children in a do centre. Fabric of Irish society is richer with refugees
Joe Flaherty FF gives an example of a refugee in DP. Says the refugee is a great dancer. Must be allowed to stay. Personally lobbies for the refugee
Michael Collins IND says accomodation providers earn too much money. States the figure spent on dp and asks how many houses could have been built for refugees instead with the money. Says families could have taken in refugees instead
Matty McGrath IND
And on and on it goes. The only thing missing is one person who has a different opinion.
Christ above. That is grim reading. Thanks for compiling.
I clicked into one of those videos and there was a country lad speaking (don't know who, brown jacket white shirt). Says the state has spent €1 billion on direct provision since the 90s. That's a bargain going off the white paper which is going to cost updwards of €1 to €2 billion each year.
The same dude says you can build a social house for €150,000 - totally wrong. hopeless, hopeless bunch0 -
https://www.oireachtas.ie/hourly/
The basic minutes for anyone interested in what these people are actually saying.
O Gorman speaking about direct provision, multiculturalism, Irish people broadly wanting to welcome refugees, challenging people who don't etc.
Building of apartment blocks, buying of housing and other accomodation. Wrap around supports including welfare, medical and education are ready to go.
Joe O Brien (also green party) spoke next. Also about the funding, community integration, applicants will live in towns and cities, free education, social housing in a short period of time, every county in Ireland will have its own volunteer centre to help refugees
Pa Daly (SF) then stood up and spoke about refugees playing gaa in Kerry. Described one of them as the "best player to have ever played in Kerry" . Spoke about how important own door accomodation is around the country and how SF supported this.
" Turn commercial property into own door accomodation for arrivals" he stated
"Full welfare rights a must"
"Healthcare workers should not be deported"
Next up Kathleen Functhion also SF
"Young Irish people want to see applications turned around quicker"
"SF support own door accomodation, especially for children"
"Hire staff with correct skills to deal with children who need special care"
"Child benefit for children in direct provision is the correct strategy"
Sean Sherlock (Labour) Cork East
"The labour citizenship bill" "CHILDREN BORN IN DIRECT PROVISION SHOULD BE GRANTED IRISH CITIZENSHIP!"
"Driving license a great path for new arrivals to have a bit of freedom"
"Labour support the government in relation to the white paper"
"Rte reported that 2 health care workers had to leave work due to temporary accommodation and were returned back to direct provision"
Rambled on and then ran out of time
Jennifer Murnane FF
"21 years of direct provision a disgrace"
"Women in marginalized groups most affected by covid 19"
"Lidl free period products"
"Do women in Dp get free products"
" Everyone needs a house, how much funding will refugees get?"
Cathal Crowe FF
" Protests against refugees disgraceful"
"Refugees have enriched his community"
An example of someone who went through the system, now a nurse with an Irish passport
"Black lives matter also means end direct provision"
"People in direct provision are disenfranchised"
"Niall Boylan stated that new arrivals leap frog people already in the system, this is wrong"
Richard Bruton FG says we only see a fraction of applicants compared to our neighbors and need to have a surge capacity
John LaHart ? says that don't give people the chance to say that they are being discriminated against because applicants get accomodation after 4 months while they have been on a list for 10 years. Must be separate lists.
Matt Carthy SF compares direct provision to the Magdalene laundries
Brid Smith PBP warns about the far right. Says leaflets are going through doors saying we must look after our own. States a hotel housing homeless has been cleared out to accommodate workers from big business Keelings. Says we can look after everyone and beware the racists and far right
John McGuiness FF welcomes the white paper but says we cannot wait until 2024. Proposes an amnesty granting anyone currently in direct provision is permitted full working and welfare rights immediately. Hinted at passports also. Wants entire system fastracked quotes modern technology as the reason.
Padraic o Sullivan FF wants current accomodation improved gives his local centre as example.
Bernard Durkin FG says he has 20 years of dealing with horrific cases. Says not everyone welcomes refugees Irish people especially should understand. SAYS THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH ECONOMIC IMMIGRANTS.
Reads Croinin SF
And on and on it goes. I couldn't listen to it any more. The only thing missing is one person who has a different opinion.
After reading that, it would depress a rock,
The only way to put a stop to this madness is to take note of the above and when the come knocking on your door before the next election, nice and politely tell them to f*ck off.0 -
The words I'd use to describe those people would get me banned tbf.
It's always that we're racist too, and not just that we see we don't have infinite resources and wondering how all of this can be paid for when there's already so many issues we need to sort in our country first.
Got to laugh at the guy who says families can take in refugees instead of DP. I'm sure he'll be first in line for them in his house.0 -
Last edit includes reply by o Gorman and a few more ministers comments.0
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https://www.oireachtas.ie/hourly/
The basic minutes for anyone interested in what these people are actually saying.
O Gorman speaking about direct provision, multiculturalism, Irish people broadly wanting to welcome refugees, challenging people who don't etc.
Building of apartment blocks, buying of housing and other accomodation. Wrap around supports including welfare, medical and education are ready to go.
Joe O Brien (also green party) spoke next. Also about the funding, community integration, applicants will live in towns and cities, free education, social housing in a short period of time, every county in Ireland will have its own volunteer centre to help refugees
Pa Daly (SF) then stood up and spoke about refugees playing gaa in Kerry. Described one of them as the "best player to have ever played in Kerry" . Spoke about how important own door accomodation is around the country and how SF supported this.
" Turn commercial property into own door accomodation for arrivals" he stated
"Full welfare rights a must"
"Healthcare workers should not be deported"
Next up Kathleen Functhion also SF
"Young Irish people want to see applications turned around quicker"
"SF support own door accomodation, especially for children"
"Hire staff with correct skills to deal with children who need special care"
"Child benefit for children in direct provision is the correct strategy"
Sean Sherlock (Labour) Cork East
"The labour citizenship bill" "CHILDREN BORN IN DIRECT PROVISION SHOULD BE GRANTED IRISH CITIZENSHIP!"
"Driving license a great path for new arrivals to have a bit of freedom"
"Labour support the government in relation to the white paper"
"Rte reported that 2 health care workers had to leave work due to temporary accommodation and were returned back to direct provision"
Rambled on and then ran out of time
Jennifer Murnane FF
"21 years of direct provision a disgrace"
"Women in marginalized groups most affected by covid 19"
"Lidl free period products"
"Do women in Dp get free products"
" Everyone needs a house, how much funding will refugees get?"
Cathal Crowe FF
" Protests against refugees disgraceful"
"Refugees have enriched his community"
An example of someone who went through the system, now a nurse with an Irish passport
"Black lives matter also means end direct provision"
"People in direct provision are disenfranchised"
"Niall Boylan stated that new arrivals leap frog people already in the system, this is wrong"
Richard Bruton FG says we only see a fraction of applicants compared to our neighbors and need to have a surge capacity
John LaHart ? says that don't give people the chance to say that they are being discriminated against because applicants get accomodation after 4 months while they have been on a list for 10 years. Must be separate lists.
Matt Carthy SF compares direct provision to the Magdalene laundries
Brid Smith PBP warns about the far right. Says leaflets are going through doors saying we must look after our own. States a hotel housing homeless has been cleared out to accommodate workers from big business Keelings. Says we can look after everyone and beware the racists and far right
John McGuiness FF welcomes the white paper but says we cannot wait until 2024. Proposes an amnesty granting anyone currently in direct provision is permitted full working and welfare rights immediately. Hinted at passports also. Wants entire system fastracked quotes modern technology as the reason.
Padraic o Sullivan FF wants current accomodation improved gives his local centre as example.
Bernard Durkin FG says he has 20 years of dealing with horrific cases. Says not everyone welcomes refugees Irish people especially should understand. SAYS THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH ECONOMIC IMMIGRANTS.
Reads Croinin SF Irish people should understand oppression says Irish people should look into the eyes of refugees and they will see the Irish from years ago. Warns about climate change and the far right. People should be allowed to work immediately . Irish people sent home money from America.
Dennis Naughton IND direct provision is immoral, 7500 people in the system
Marc o caitsaigh (green party) congratulates green party for acting on ending dp. Has thought children in a do centre. Fabric of Irish society is richer with refugees
Joe Flaherty FF gives an example of a refugee in DP. Says the refugee is a great dancer. Must be allowed to stay. Personally lobbies for the refugee
Michael Collins IND says accomodation providers earn too much money. States the figure spent on dp and asks how many houses could have been built for refugees instead with the money. Says families could have taken in refugees instead
Matty McGrath IND
And on and on it goes. The only thing missing is one person who has a different opinion.
Jeez...that is some amount of ****e. I worked overseas as an Irish Immigrant... no one gave me anything free over there. I worked hard.
No one has any problem with qualified immigrants who add to society and will pay their way. But encouraging freeloaders to come over with FREE everything while ignoring our own sons and daughters rights is disgraceful. So- its alright to tax me to death to fund this Open Door policy but offer my family NO HELP when it comes to getting accommodation.
Am surprised at seeing FG and FF listed above. They'll be getting it in the neck when they coming knocking at my door next time.0 -
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Jeez...that is some amount of ****e. I worked overseas as an Irish Immigrant... no one gave me anything free over there. I worked hard.
No one has any problem with qualified immigrants who add to society and will pay their way. But encouraging freeloaders to come over with FREE everything while ignoring our own sons and daughters rights is disgraceful. So- its alright to tax me to death to fund this Open Door policy but offer my family NO HELP when it comes to getting accommodation.
Am surprised at seeing FG and FF listed above. They'll be getting it in the neck when they coming knocking at my door next time.
The new tax and welfare reform commission started today. The goal is to find new ways to take money from people. Results expected in 2022.
Tax increases are coming
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/commission-set-up-to-assess-how-tax-and-welfare-can-support-economy-1.45416490 -
Hard to believe these wasters draw a salary from the state.0
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https://www.oireachtas.ie/hourly/
The basic minutes for anyone interested in what these people are actually saying.
O Gorman speaking about direct provision, multiculturalism, Irish people broadly wanting to welcome refugees, challenging people who don't etc.
Building of apartment blocks, buying of housing and other accomodation. Wrap around supports including welfare, medical and education are ready to go.
Joe O Brien (also green party) spoke next. Also about the funding, community integration, applicants will live in towns and cities, free education, social housing in a short period of time, every county in Ireland will have its own volunteer centre to help refugees
Pa Daly (SF) then stood up and spoke about refugees playing gaa in Kerry. Described one of them as the "best player to have ever played in Kerry" . Spoke about how important own door accomodation is around the country and how SF supported this.
" Turn commercial property into own door accomodation for arrivals" he stated
"Full welfare rights a must"
"Healthcare workers should not be deported"
Next up Kathleen Functhion also SF
"Young Irish people want to see applications turned around quicker"
"SF support own door accomodation, especially for children"
"Hire staff with correct skills to deal with children who need special care"
"Child benefit for children in direct provision is the correct strategy"
Sean Sherlock (Labour) Cork East
"The labour citizenship bill" "CHILDREN BORN IN DIRECT PROVISION SHOULD BE GRANTED IRISH CITIZENSHIP!"
"Driving license a great path for new arrivals to have a bit of freedom"
"Labour support the government in relation to the white paper"
"Rte reported that 2 health care workers had to leave work due to temporary accommodation and were returned back to direct provision"
Rambled on and then ran out of time
Jennifer Murnane FF
"21 years of direct provision a disgrace"
"Women in marginalized groups most affected by covid 19"
"Lidl free period products"
"Do women in Dp get free products"
" Everyone needs a house, how much funding will refugees get?"
Cathal Crowe FF
" Protests against refugees disgraceful"
"Refugees have enriched his community"
An example of someone who went through the system, now a nurse with an Irish passport
"Black lives matter also means end direct provision"
"People in direct provision are disenfranchised"
"Niall Boylan stated that new arrivals leap frog people already in the system, this is wrong"
Richard Bruton FG says we only see a fraction of applicants compared to our neighbors and need to have a surge capacity
John LaHart ? says that don't give people the chance to say that they are being discriminated against because applicants get accomodation after 4 months while they have been on a list for 10 years. Must be separate lists.
Matt Carthy SF compares direct provision to the Magdalene laundries
Brid Smith PBP warns about the far right. Says leaflets are going through doors saying we must look after our own. States a hotel housing homeless has been cleared out to accommodate workers from big business Keelings. Says we can look after everyone and beware the racists and far right
John McGuiness FF welcomes the white paper but says we cannot wait until 2024. Proposes an amnesty granting anyone currently in direct provision is permitted full working and welfare rights immediately. Hinted at passports also. Wants entire system fastracked quotes modern technology as the reason.
Padraic o Sullivan FF wants current accomodation improved gives his local centre as example.
Bernard Durkin FG says he has 20 years of dealing with horrific cases. Says not everyone welcomes refugees Irish people especially should understand. SAYS THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH ECONOMIC IMMIGRANTS.
Reads Croinin SF Irish people should understand oppression says Irish people should look into the eyes of refugees and they will see the Irish from years ago. Warns about climate change and the far right. People should be allowed to work immediately . Irish people sent home money from America.
Dennis Naughton IND direct provision is immoral, 7500 people in the system
Marc o caitsaigh (green party) congratulates green party for acting on ending dp. Has thought children in a do centre. Fabric of Irish society is richer with refugees
Joe Flaherty FF gives an example of a refugee in DP. Says the refugee is a great dancer. Must be allowed to stay. Personally lobbies for the refugee
Michael Collins IND says accomodation providers earn too much money. States the figure spent on dp and asks how many houses could have been built for refugees instead with the money. Says families could have taken in refugees instead
Matty McGrath IND a gravy train for centre owners. Says it takes too long and wonders where the children are disappearing to. 440 just gone he's says. Slave labour? Sex trade? He asks.
Calls tusla an unaccountable disgrace. Says money is just thrown at them.
Thomas Pringle IND says 60 families just moved into own door accomodation in Donegal but wonders who is making money from the system. Says no way that dp will end in 2024. Says dept of justice not prepared or funded to deal with numbers of applicants. Recommends everyone read a short story written by a refugee.
Catherine Connolly IND warns minister that he will be pushed every step of the way in shutting down dp. Says do was only designed to make money for "big boys". Mentions amenesty and right to work in meantime.
AND FINALLY O'GORMAN'S RESPONSE TO COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS:
Thanks all groups who contributed to information regarding direct provision. Says the white paper is done , the department is ready to move to the new model.
Mentions housing saying housing will take place in conjunction with social housing. 50k social houses.
A separate budget for refugees housing to the department of housing budget
Phase 1 four 4 months and then move to community with full supports. If work cannot be found then full welfare rights.
People living in direct provision and also working in health services (1500 people) should be dealt with by HSE regarding housing near work.
"Large number of raised issues, won't have time to respond to all"
Location of new centres depends on available schools.
17k undocumented people may be "sorted " by September. Under remit of justice dept.
Period products provided free of charge, bank accounts and driving licenses to be arranged. Bank account already underway
Access to higher and further education a must and Simon Harris is arranging
Significant investment into decision system both manpower and financial.
All garbage. Everyone with the same opinion no matter the party. Nobody concerned about the concerns of Irish people.
You wouldn't find more uniform opinion in stalinist Russia 19510 -
The new tax and welfare reform commission started today. The goal is to find new ways to take money from people. Results expected in 2022.
Tax increases are coming
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/commission-set-up-to-assess-how-tax-and-welfare-can-support-economy-1.4541649
Shouldn't that be how tax and economy can support welfare?
Honestly flabbergasts me why reducing processing time is never mentioned, surely its the key0 -
Last edit includes reply by o Gorman and a few more ministers comments.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JRD0000/status/1385195788477902848
There’s the footage of his comments.0 -
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That is f*cking depressing from a shower of clowns that 93% of people dident vote for.0 -
I just hope ppl realise what the mainstream parties are up to and vote accordingly next time0
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Imagine coming home from a grueling work day and reading this.https://www.oireachtas.ie/hourly/
The basic minutes for anyone interested in what these people are actually saying.
O Gorman speaking about direct provision, multiculturalism, Irish people broadly wanting to welcome refugees, challenging people who don't etc.
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The billions of euros that is going to be spent on this new system; just think how beneficial it would be if that money was spent on infrastructure and services for the people in Ireland instead. Imagine how our quality of lives could improve.
There are tens of thousands of people currently in Africa who will immediately be in a better position than many Irish people as soon as they arrive at Dublin airport and claim asylum. And since only around 40% finally take up employment, the rest of us will be supporting them for the rest of their lives.
Richard Bruton of Fine Gael is part of the club who believe that the homogeneity of Ireland needs to be undermined. This is why he talks about "the surge". Make no mistakes about it, Fine Gael are planning for very large numbers of asylum seekers in the coming years; especially since Roderic O' Gorman removed any caps on the numbers who can come to Ireland and avail of these new homes and associated welfare services.
When Fine Gael, as the largest party in the coalition, raises our taxes next year under the guise of paying back the massive borrowing for the Covid pandemic, there will be a substantial amount of this tax increase going to the new asylum system.
Fianna Fail are finished as a party. Even though there will a short-term pain with an alternative government, it is vitally important not to vote for Fine Gael in the next election. They cannot be rewarded for punishing the Irish people and ignoring the will of the majority. If almost 80% of us voted against the anchor baby fiasco, then we could easily have a similar percentage who would vote against this new protection system. Since they will not allow us to vote on it, we can express our displeasure by not voting Fine Gael.0 -
Imagine coming home from a grueling work day and reading this.
The billions of euros that is going to be spent on this new system; just think how beneficial it would be if that money was spent on infrastructure and services for the people in Ireland instead. Imagine how our quality of lives could improve.
There are tens of thousands of people currently in Africa who will immediately be in a better position than many Irish people as soon as they arrive at Dublin airport and claim asylum. And since only around 40% finally take up employment, the rest of us will be supporting them for the rest of their lives.
Richard Bruton of Fine Gael is part of the club who believe that the homogeneity of Ireland needs to be undermined. This is why he talks about "the surge". Make no mistakes about it, Fine Gael are planning for very large numbers of asylum seekers in the coming years; especially since Roderic O' Gorman removed any caps on the numbers who can come to Ireland and avail of these new homes and associated welfare services.
When Fine Gael, as the largest party in the coalition, raises our taxes next year under the guise of paying back the massive borrowing for the Covid pandemic, there will be a substantial amount of this tax increase going to the new asylum system.
Fianna Fail are finished as a party. Even though there will a short-term pain with an alternative government, it is vitally important not to vote for Fine Gael in the next election. They cannot be rewarded for punishing the Irish people and ignoring the will of the majority. If almost 80% of us voted against the anchor baby fiasco, then we could easily have a similar percentage who would vote against this new protection system. Since they will not allow us to vote on it, we can express our displeasure by not voting Fine Gael.
Agree with you on that, but the problem still remains, who can we vote for,
I don't see any party the represents the working person anymore, there is not a hair between any of them.0 -
Where is my house for €150,000? Hell, I'd pay for for it myself if only I could get one.
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Imagine coming home from a grueling work day and reading this.
The billions of euros that is going to be spent on this new system; just think how beneficial it would be if that money was spent on infrastructure and services for the people in Ireland instead. Imagine how our quality of lives could improve.
There are tens of thousands of people currently in Africa who will immediately be in a better position than many Irish people as soon as they arrive at Dublin airport and claim asylum. And since only around 40% finally take up employment, the rest of us will be supporting them for the rest of their lives.
Richard Bruton of Fine Gael is part of the club who believe that the homogeneity of Ireland needs to be undermined. This is why he talks about "the surge". Make no mistakes about it, Fine Gael are planning for very large numbers of asylum seekers in the coming years; especially since Roderic O' Gorman removed any caps on the numbers who can come to Ireland and avail of these new homes and associated welfare services.
When Fine Gael, as the largest party in the coalition, raises our taxes next year under the guise of paying back the massive borrowing for the Covid pandemic, there will be a substantial amount of this tax increase going to the new asylum system.
Fianna Fail are finished as a party. Even though there will a short-term pain with an alternative government, it is vitally important not to vote for Fine Gael in the next election. They cannot be rewarded for punishing the Irish people and ignoring the will of the majority. If almost 80% of us voted against the anchor baby fiasco, then we could easily have a similar percentage who would vote against this new protection system. Since they will not allow us to vote on it, we can express our displeasure by not voting Fine Gael.
I'm done. I am actively looking to get out of here now. I'm done paying high tax for **** public services and a bunch of indigenous wasters. Now I'm going to pay more for a bunch of Fakeugees?
Get the **** out of here.
But sure, you can replace myself and my partners high salaries with a couple of Taxi Drivers to help "pay for pensions"...0 -
Wouldn't be surprised to see many join you once we reopen.Mike Murdock wrote: »I'm done. I am actively looking to get out of here now. I'm done paying high tax for **** public services and a bunch of indigenous wasters. Now I'm going to pay more for a bunch of Fakeugees?
Get the **** out of here.
But sure, you can replace myself and my partners high salaries with a couple of Taxi Drivers to help "pay for pensions"...
People see no hope here, and stuff like this rubs their face in it0 -
This combined with the New Green Act and covid, on top of a huge debt we are paying off. How can we as a nation geniunely afford it all?
They wouldn't even pay student nurses.0 -
Mike Murdock wrote: »I'm done. I am actively looking to get out of here now. I'm done paying high tax for **** public services and a bunch of indigenous wasters. Now I'm going to pay more for a bunch of Fakeugees?
Get the **** out of here.
But sure, you can replace myself and my partners high salaries with a couple of Taxi Drivers to help "pay for pensions"...
I wouldn’t be too despondent. Roderic O’Gorman will be out on his ear in the next GE. He is deeply unpopular in his own constituency and his wider party will be obliterated when the public get their say. There’s a strong possibility he’ll be gone before he gets a chance to implement any of his ‘plans’.
There’s no credible alternative right now, but people need to continually raise their objection to this every time they interact with their public representatives. E-mail them, speak to them forcefully when they call begging to your door, remind them of this folly at every opportunity.
It is depressing that we are governed by such a shower of morons. However, this status quo won’t hold sway forever. It can be changed.0 -
This combined with the New Green Act and covid, on top of a huge debt we are paying off. How can we as a nation geniunely afford it all?
They wouldn't even pay student nurses.
Maybe if we all bombard O'Gorman with those questions, he'd be forced to come up with a better answer/excuse than "That's racist."0 -
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Echo almost all thoughts posted here previously.
While it might get us nowhere it's extremely important that you email TDs and Senators especially those with senior positions etc voicing opposition to these plans.0 -
Echo almost all thoughts posted here previously.
While it might get us nowhere it's extremely important that you email TDs and Senators especially those with senior positions etc voicing opposition to these plans.
I would support and vote for literally anybody who would stand up and push back against this lunacy.
It feels like all common sense has been lost and that the lunatics are running the asylum (pardon the pun).0 -
I would support and vote for literally anybody who would stand up and push back against this lunacy.
It feels like all common sense has been lost and that the lunatics are running the asylum (pardon the pun).
Absolutely. It's policy making from twitter. It seems that the people that shout the loudest on twitter (no matter how small) will get what they want. Regular working people will be left with the bill while Aifric is gone to find herself in Goa0 -
Absolutely. It's policy making from twitter. It seems that the people that shout the loudest on twitter (no matter how small) will get what they want. Regular working people will be left with the bill while Aifric is gone to find herself in Goa
I’m not on Twitter. I have a busy job that consumes me for 55-60 hours per week. I always assumed that anybody with a baseline level of intelligence would be smart enough to filter out the noise generated by loons on social media.
Looks like I have made two fundamental errors:
1. Crediting our political class with possessing even average levels of intelligence.
2. Underestimated how much influence the Twitterati yield and their ability to amplify their message.
One thing I do know for sure, politicians are entirely out of touch with productive, tax-paying citizens of this country.0 -
Bloody hell... the man is delusional!! He thinks we have a moral obligation to house economic refugees cos no one housed our relatives in the Us and Uk in the 50’s and so we should be live up to our welcoming reputation. Have not heard him say a thing about sorting out the Irish homeless ....
Yep... the Greens be buried at next election. Just have to hope there s9me sort of internal collapse of this government in the coming months and the people can once again be heard0 -
Imagine coming home from a grueling work day and reading this.
The billions of euros that is going to be spent on this new system; just think how beneficial it would be if that money was spent on infrastructure and services for the people in Ireland instead. Imagine how our quality of lives could improve.
There are tens of thousands of people currently in Africa who will immediately be in a better position than many Irish people as soon as they arrive at Dublin airport and claim asylum. And since only around 40% finally take up employment, the rest of us will be supporting them for the rest of their lives.
Richard Bruton of Fine Gael is part of the club who believe that the homogeneity of Ireland needs to be undermined. This is why he talks about "the surge". Make no mistakes about it, Fine Gael are planning for very large numbers of asylum seekers in the coming years; especially since Roderic O' Gorman removed any caps on the numbers who can come to Ireland and avail of these new homes and associated welfare services.
When Fine Gael, as the largest party in the coalition, raises our taxes next year under the guise of paying back the massive borrowing for the Covid pandemic, there will be a substantial amount of this tax increase going to the new asylum system.
Fianna Fail are finished as a party. Even though there will a short-term pain with an alternative government, it is vitally important not to vote for Fine Gael in the next election. They cannot be rewarded for punishing the Irish people and ignoring the will of the majority. If almost 80% of us voted against the anchor baby fiasco, then we could easily have a similar percentage who would vote against this new protection system. Since they will not allow us to vote on it, we can express our displeasure by not voting Fine Gael.
You're encouraging people to vote for SF.
You think that will stop this madness??
Or who are you suggesting we should vote for?0 -
Bloody hell... the man is delusional!! He thinks we have a moral obligation to house economic refugees cos no one housed our relatives in the Us and Uk in the 50’s and so we should be live up to our welcoming reputation. Have not heard him say a thing about sorting out the Irish homeless ....
Yep... the Greens be buried at next election. Just have to hope there s9me sort of internal collapse of this government in the coming months and the people can once again be heard
Unfortunately, there is no party to vote for.0 -
Bloody hell... the man is delusional!! ... Have not heard him say a thing about sorting out the Irish homeless ....
Yep... the Greens be buried at next election. Just have to hope there s9me sort of internal collapse of this government in the coming months and the people can once again be heard
What about his supposed brief as minister for children? Has he abandoned all pretense of giving two sh**es about actual children in this country?0 -
I’m not on Twitter. I have a busy job that consumes me for 55-60 hours per week. I always assumed that anybody with a baseline level of intelligence would be smart enough to filter out the noise generated by loons on social media.
Looks like I have made two fundamental errors:
1. Crediting our political class with possessing even average levels of intelligence.
2. Underestimated how much influence the Twitterati yield and their ability to amplify their message.
One thing I do know for sure, politicians are entirely out of touch with productive, tax-paying citizens of this country.
There was outrage during the week because someone was apparently served an under cooked chicken wing in a direct provision centre. Got it trending on Twitter and all. Make no mistake those people know how to mobilise and push an agenda.
There's a leaked zoom call of a "well known academic" the time of George Nchenkos death where she outlines a whole Twitter strategy to capitalise on it.0 -
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There was outrage during the week because someone was apparently served an under cooked chicken wing in a direct provision centre. Got it trending on Twitter and all. Make no mistake those people know how to mobilise and push an agenda.
There's a leaked zoom call of a "well known academic" the time of George Nchenkos death where she outlines a whole Twitter strategy to capitalise on it.
Dr Ribena, I presume?0
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