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Govt to replace Direct Provision with protection system

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    #182
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The reason for our housing crisis is government policy.

    That's the start, middle and end of it.

    Having the paupers blaming immigrants is the classic distraction, while the rich run off with all the money.

    And who accepts the immigrants? The government need to get their own house in order before they start giving housing to immigrants.


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    #183
    Doctor Roast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 325 ✭✭Doctor Roast


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yes, I'm pro immigration, but it has to be controlled, of benefit to the country and managed. That to me is around 5,000 people nett per year. At the moment we have that alone in asylum/refugees and people been brought in from UN run camps. Add in all further forms of immigration and we are way over where we should be.

    We're a nation of 5 million people, 17 pc of which is already foreign born, under the EUs free movement of people we've opened our country up to over 450 million people, that's not including migration from outside the EU... I'll let you do the math


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    #184
    MFPM
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    Fantastic news that this horrendous institutionalisation is coming to an end. Usual dehumanising rubbish littering the thread, plus ca change plus chest la meme chose.


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    #185
    MFPM
    Registered Users Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Doctor Roast wrote: »
    We're a nation of 5 million people, 17 pc of which is already foreign born, under the EUs free movement of people we've opened our country up to over 450 million people, that's not including migration from outside the EU... I'll let you do the math

    Usual nonsensical hyperbole...


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    #186
    [Deleted User]
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    Doctor Roast wrote: »
    We're a nation of 5 million people, 17 pc of which is already foreign born, under the EUs free movement of people we've opened our country up to over 450 million people, that's not including migration from outside the EU... I'll let you do the math

    Yes, I know. Not sure what your point is?


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    #187
    Mules
    Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Mules


    MFPM wrote: »
    Usual nonsensical hyperbole...

    Do you dispute the figures?


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    #188
    Mules
    Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Mules


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes, I know. Not sure what your point is?

    Who will pay for all these people?


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    #189
    Doctor Roast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 325 ✭✭Doctor Roast


    MFPM wrote: »
    Usual nonsensical hyperbole...

    I do hope you're around in a few years to answer some tough questions..


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    #190
    Geuze
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    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    In an ideal world, we all would be..

    Off-topic, but the extreme left in Ireland (PBP, etc.) seem to want everybody to be a tenant?

    Whereas most Irish people want to own a house.


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    #191
    Mr. Karate
    Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    Govt can come up with a plan to reopen the Country and Economy but can come out with this. Says it all about this Govt and where their loyalties lie.


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    #192
    Tacitus Kilgore
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    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    Govt can come up with a plan to reopen the Country and Economy but can come out with this. Says it all about this Govt and where their loyalties lie.

    Horseshit.



    More than one thing can be done at a time


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    #193
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    MFPM wrote: »
    Usual nonsensical hyperbole...

    A conclusion, without an explanation. Typical.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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    #194
    Akesh
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    Absolutely laughable. Before taking another person in they need to provide more housing for the people who are currently living here. This government is so out of touch with reality and they need to go.


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    #195
    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    Geuze wrote: »
    Off-topic, but the extreme left in Ireland (PBP, etc.) seem to want everybody to be a tenant?

    Whereas most Irish people want to own a house.

    Off topic, but the new BMW M4 is quicker than the previous model. (accelleration wise, both have limited top speeds)


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    #196
    Geuze
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    MFPM wrote: »
    Fantastic news that this horrendous institutionalisation is coming to an end. Usual dehumanising rubbish littering the thread, plus ca change plus chest la meme chose.

    I am all for ending DP, very slow and expensive.

    Replace it with AS claims processed within 24hrs / 7 days max at the port/ airport.

    Much faster process for AS, no more delays for them.

    Much lower cost for taxpayer.


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    #197
    [Deleted User]
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    Mules wrote: »
    Who will pay for all these people?

    I'm saying control immigration but I do believe we need a small amount of people per annum. These should be educated and skilled with numbers capped tightly. They would be used in highly skilled positions that we can't currently fill. This isn't the system we have at the moment, no where near it.

    This is probably off topic anyway not connected to asylum/refugees.


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    #198
    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    Akesh wrote: »
    Absolutely laughable. Before taking another person in they need to provide more housing for the people who are currently living here. This government is so out of touch with reality and they need to go.


    Social or affordable? Or free? Or on market?

    Which is it you want, because most on this thread don't want the govt to provide ANY housing


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    #199
    Geuze
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    Akesh wrote: »
    Absolutely laughable. Before taking another person in they need to provide more housing for the people who are currently living here. This government is so out of touch with reality and they need to go.

    Maybe, but note that SF would probably be worse!!!


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    #200
    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm saying control immigration but I do believe we need a small amount of people per annum. These should be educated and skilled with numbers capped tightly. They would be used in highly skilled positions that we can't currently fill. This isn't the system we have at the moment, no where near it.

    This is probably off topic anyway not connected to asylum/refugees.

    Definitely not related to the reform/abolishment of the DP system anyway.


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    #201
    TomTomTim
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    Akesh wrote: »
    Absolutely laughable. Before taking another person in they need to provide more housing for the people who are currently living here. This government is so out of touch with reality and they need to go.

    The problem is we're trapped. There's no options, no dissenters. Most parties in Ireland agree on at least 60% of the issues, especially social issues. Watch in the coming days, weeks, there will be very little governmental opposition to this, maybe one or two politicians.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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    #202
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm saying control immigration but I do believe we need a small amount of people per annum.

    As we are in the EU, we can't control EU migration, and that's fair enough.

    We can control non-EU immigration.

    I see little reason for any non-EU immigration.


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    #203
    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    TomTomTim wrote: »
    The problem is we're trapped. There's no options, no dissenters. Most parties in Ireland agree on at least 60% of the issues, especially social issues. Watch in the coming days, week, there will be very little governmental opposition to this, maybe one or two politicians.

    i cant see there being much support for keeping DP as it stands. do you?


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    #204
    Mules
    Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Mules


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm saying control immigration but I do believe we need a small amount of people per annum. These should be educated and skilled with numbers capped tightly. They would be used in highly skilled positions that we can't currently fill. This isn't the system we have at the moment, no where near it.

    This is probably off topic anyway not connected to asylum/refugees.
    Highly skilled sounds good. Anyone who will contribute more in tax than they take in public services is fine by me. However, those people aren't asylum seekers and the government's plan will incentivise asylum seeking


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    #205
    [Deleted User]
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    Mules wrote: »
    Highly skilled sounds good. Anyone who will contribute more in tax than they take in public services is fine by me. However, these people aren't asylum seekers and the governments plan will incentivise asylum claims.

    Yes, I agree


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    #206
    KeithTS
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    Geuze wrote: »
    I am all for ending DP, very slow and expensive.

    Replace it with AS claims processed within 24hrs / 7 days max at the port/ airport.

    Much faster process for AS, no more delays for them.

    Much lower cost for taxpayer.

    This sounds great for everyone, I wonder why nobody thought about it?
    Have you tried to verify/get documentation for a person who genuinely lost it all when their city was bombed and genuinely had to trek across a continent with their family?

    I'm unable to renew my passport in 7 days when I'm in full possession of all of my details, the office renewing it are the very same one that issued it less then 10 years previously and are based 10km away from me and there isn't a war going on in the nation....


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    #207
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    If you don't agree, don't vote for a party that supports it.
    Speak to your local TD.

    If you don't tell politicians how to act they will make your choices for you.


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    #208
    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    KeithTS wrote: »
    This sounds great for everyone, I wonder why nobody thought about it?
    Have you tried to verify/get documentation for a person who genuinely lost it all when their city was bombed and genuinely had to trek across a continent with their family?

    I'm unable to renew my passport in 7 days when I'm in full possession of all of my details, the office renewing it are the very same one that issued it less then 10 years previously and are based 10km away from me and there isn't a war going on in the nation....

    It is assumed on here that all assylum applications are bogus


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    #209
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    i cant see there being much support for keeping DP as it stands. do you?

    After today, DP looks like a far better option, as bad as it was. This new policy simply makes everything worse as it's even more ripe for abuse. Imagine coming to Ireland, knowing you won't qualify for asylum, and knowing that a system exists that will allow to to have free housing for months/years. It would take all the naivety in the world to conclude that there won't be more abuse of the system as a product of that.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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    #210
    qm1bv4p8i92aoj
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    titan18 wrote: »
    I don't live in Dublin. With my savings, I could afford about up to 230k i'd say atm. House wise, there's not a giant amount under that in Cork City (on daft anyway) unless you want to live in a sh1t area, so you're mainly looking at apartments and there's a fair lack of suitable ones in Cork City.

    When i know of people on the housing list getting houses in new estates worth over 300k (and likely will be the same with this DP plan) it's a bit sh1t that someone working and who's taxes are paying for those gets a worse house or an apartment in a worse area.

    Your second paragraph is just mental to try and comprehend. This country is a basket case.


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    #211
    Atlantic Dawn
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    The criteria to claim asylum has been relaxed too, if you show up in a Wham t-shirt they will now be forced to take you in.


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