Right wing extremist group behind Dublin Protest say Gardai

EmmetSpiceland

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Are the posters claiming to have been there trying to distance themselves from the far-right rioters? Or are they just saying that the rioters aren’t far-right?

Should we be dividing up those present at the riot as far-right “trouble makers” and protesters protesting for their own selfish reasons?

No one has been unaffected by these lockdown measures. We are all in this together. The more we allow these far-right lunatic fringe to “demonstrate” on our streets the longer, potentially, the restrictions will continue.

I do understand that while we’re all in the same boat but some of us are “weathering” different storms. I, personally, am at home with kids in the house who aren’t back at school yet but I guess the fact that I actually like my partner, and my kids, means it’s not something I mind too much.

There was a lot of anger out there before the pandemic, it’s obvious to see that it’s only grown within that “cohort” now. The Gardaí need to be proactive and shutdown these ignorant thugs.

Firstly what "rioters" ? There were very few incidents outside rocket man from what I saw - I wasn't there of course but surely if there was widespread rioting there would be ample footage of it? There is plenty of footage of rocket man going around, and of people peacefully gathering and marching. Lots of them. From all sorts of backgrounds. Certainly more than "hundreds".

Secondly yes we absolutely should be dividing them up, people protesting for "selfish" reasons of losing their incomes, their homes, their businesses and unable to support their families, loved ones missing essential treatments for cancer etc while other large corporations make record profits are NOT the same as far right assholes. If you don't separate them, then some of them WILL turn to the far right. Also, we have no such hangups about separating peaceful and violent BLM protestors for example, and rightly so.

Are you working? Paying your mortgage? Shuttering a business you spent your whole life building? Waiting and waiting for cancer treatment? Personally I'm in a similar situation to you but others aren't so lucky. Calling these people far right is a gross insult .... seems that anyone who doesn't want to depend on the State for their income is now far right. A strong bang of "I'm all right Jack" off your post.

Bringing in water charges nearly brought the country to a standstill with protests FFS. No one called them far right.

timmyntc

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

No one holding down a job, particularly through PUP, with any common sense would want to find themselves pictured at such protests.

Why so?

If my livelihood was destroyed by the government, why wouldn't I turn up at an anti-lockdown protest, when said lockdown is the exact thing that's destroyed my livelihood?

nullzero

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

The "Antifa plant" is old hat to be wheeled out at this stage.

To be fair any time something similar happens at a left wing protest or a BLM rally we're supposed to believe it's actually been carried out by a far right activist trying to discredit the protest they're at.

Now I'm happy to go ahead and say that the people throwing things at this event weren't "Antifa plants", but I'd like the indignation that is displayed here in relation to that to be remembered when this inevitably comes up again when the boot is on the other foot.

This is the problem with political extremism, people on both sides are far too quick attribute any trouble making within their ranks as being some ploy by the other side to discredit them.

It's time to grow up and accept that political extremism of any colour attracts morons, mostly due to the fact that to be a far right or far left activist you need to first be little more than a high functioning imbecile.

nullzero

nullzero wrote: »

To be fair any time something similar happens at a left wing protest or a BLM rally we're supposed to believe it's actually been carried out by a far right activist trying to discredit the protest they're at.

Now I'm happy to go ahead and say that the people throwing things at this event weren't "Antifa plants", but I'd like the indignation that is displayed here in relation to that to be remembered when this inevitably comes up again when the boot is on the other foot.

This is the problem with political extremism, people on both sides are far too quick attribute any trouble making within their ranks as being some ploy by the other side to discredit them.

It's time to grow up and accept that political extremism of any colour attracts morons, mostly due to the fact that to be a far right or far left activist you need to first been little more than a high functioning imbecile.

Agree 100% with this. Unfortunately the government - or at least FG - and the media have decided to report any protests that aren't overwhelmingly left leaning or they just don't like as "far right". This is extremely worrying - a much bigger danger to democracy then a few 80 IQ far right scumbags.

Howard Beale

Another thing.

Having been there and seen everything. I can say there was NO RIOTS that is pathological lies from Varadkar. Incredible.

It was a garda baton charge not a 'riot'

There was a very aggressive baton charge after that simpleton let off the Roman Candle. Tens of thousands tarred due to one total moron.

99.9% peaceful people fed up of this nonsense.

It's important to note many many children were in the crowd. The baton charge could have seriously hurt people in fact when it happened a man beside me had his toddler in a buggy. incredibly dangerous to baton charge people with toddlers or very young children

I also seen a guard lose his radio receiver in the baton charge and someone handed it back. During the baton charge a garda fell over and near me and people grabbed his left arm to help him up.


The only people wanting trouble were Drew Harris, Rocket man and the Gardai.

Everyone else was fed up Joe soaps sick to the back teeth of this never ending nonsense of lockdown and lies.

If it was a right wing march I’d expect right wing banners and anti immigration or anti Muslim speech. Or similar. A few right wingers turning up doesn’t prove much, except the rest of political aIreland probably isn’t representing anti lockdowns.

A bit like McCarthyism in the 1950s. Communists didn’t really protest in the US and had <1% of the vote but plenty of leftish protests were accused of being communist. Meanwhile in Europe the communists had 30% of the vote. When they marched they were openly communist. You can’t disparage an actual communist protest by calling it communist.

Here with the <1% far right vote there’s a moral panic about any deviation from the consensus. In France the far right march under far right banners and you can’t insult them by calling them right wing.

In short you can’t insult a far left or far right protest that is actually far right or far left by calling it out for extremism.

Howard Beale

Deleted User wrote: »

If it was a right wing march I’d expect right wing banners and anti immigration or anti Muslim speech. Or similar. A few right wingers turning up doesn’t prove much, except the rest of political aIreland probably isn’t representing anti lockdowns.

A bit like McCarthyism in the 1950s. Communists didn’t really protest in the US and had <1% of the vote but plenty of leftish protests were accused of being communist. Meanwhile in Europe the communists had 30% of the vote. When they marched they were openly communist. You can’t disparage an actual communist protest by calling it communist.

Here with the <1% far right vote there’s a moral panic about any deviation from the consensus. In France the far right march under far right banners and you can’t insult them by calling them right wing.

In short you can’t insult a far left or far right protest that is actually far right or far left by calling it out for extremism.

It wasn't. Tons of immigrants and few muslims at it as well. They aren't exactly for lockdown either, why you think they are going to the mosques during this? Is that supporting lockdown? Come on!

nullzero

nullzero wrote: »

To be fair any time something similar happens at a left wing protest or a BLM rally we're supposed to believe it's actually been carried out by a far right activist trying to discredit the protest they're at.

Now I'm happy to go ahead and say that the people throwing things at this event weren't "Antifa plants", but I'd like the indignation that is displayed here in relation to that to be remembered when this inevitably comes up again when the boot is on the other foot.

This is the problem with political extremism, people on both sides are far too quick attribute any trouble making within their ranks as being some ploy by the other side to discredit them.

It's time to grow up and accept that political extremism of any colour attracts morons, mostly due to the fact that to be a far right or far left activist you need to first be little more than a high functioning imbecile.

I don't recall any particular things about far right plants in Ireland. I do recall it occurring in the US but that was established as fact by intelligence agencies there and there were arrests of certain groups. And that's not saying blm folk weren't involved in causing issues etc.

So no, I think "both sides" is more just diverting from the fact that the far right has been recognised as a serious issue globally in the last few years.

Elmer Blooker

Deleted User wrote: »

Agree 100% with this. Unfortunately the government - or at least FG - and the media have decided to report any protests that aren't overwhelmingly left leaning or they just don't like as "far right". This is extremely worrying - a much bigger danger to democracy then a few 80 IQ far right scumbags.

Interesting that masked men with dark glasses and in paramilitary uniforms can march pass the GPO while about half a dozen bored and disinterested Gardai look on. No road closures and not a baton in sight!

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

If it was a right wing march I’d expect right wing banners and anti immigration or anti Muslim speech. Or similar. A few right wingers turning up doesn’t prove much, except the rest of political aIreland probably isn’t representing anti lockdowns.

Absolutely true. There were certainly a lot more of them at that Roderic O'Gorman protest, and they didn't hide it.

blanch152

Howard Beale wrote: »

Another thing.

Having been there and seen everything. I can say there was NO RIOTS that is pathological lies from Varadkar. Incredible.

It was a garda baton charge not a 'riot'

There was a very aggressive baton charge after that simpleton let off the Roman Candle. Tens of thousands tarred due to one total moron.

99.9% peaceful people fed up of this nonsense.

It's important to note many many children were in the crowd. The baton charge could have seriously hurt people in fact when it happened a man beside me had his toddler in a buggy. incredibly dangerous to baton charge people with toddlers or very young children

I also seen a guard lose his radio receiver in the baton charge and someone handed it back. During the baton charge a garda fell over and near me and people grabbed his left arm to help him up.


The only people wanting trouble were Drew Harris, Rocket man and the Gardai.

Everyone else was fed up Joe soaps sick to the back teeth of this never ending nonsense of lockdown and lies.

Look, when you get a crazy bunch of Covid deniers together on a street, you will always have a few lunatics who turn violent, that is what has been seen across the world.

Maybe, that's all this was, maybe something more. We will see how things develop.

Elmer Blooker

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Interesting that masked men with dark glasses and in paramilitary uniforms can march pass the GPO while about half a dozen bored and disinterested Gardai look on. No road closures and not a baton in sight!

In fairness there is a pandemic going on, but a good point nonetheless. Several politcians of all colours have broken lockdown for far more trivial reasons than protests.

Annasopra

Howard Beale wrote: »

Another thing.

Having been there and seen everything. I can say there was NO RIOTS that is pathological lies from Varadkar. Incredible.

It was a garda baton charge not a 'riot'

Just listening to a journalist on the radio right now speaking about numerous glass bottles, plastic bottles, hot drinks, numerous fireworks being thrown for about 25 minutes.

blanch152

blanch152 wrote: »

Look, when you get a crazy bunch of Covid deniers together on a street, you will always have a few lunatics who turn violent, that is what has been seen across the world.

Maybe, that's all this was, maybe something more. We will see how things develop.

There have been huge anti lockdown protests all over Europe for months now. This was small in comparison.

Kermit.de.frog

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Just listening to a journalist on the radio right now speaking about numerous glass bottles, plastic bottles, hot drinks, numerous fireworks being thrown for about 25 minutes.

Association of garda inspectors rep said some of the bottles were filled with urine.

Joeytheparrot

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Just listening to a journalist on the radio right now speaking about numerous glass bottles, plastic bottles, hot drinks, numerous fireworks being thrown for about 25 minutes.

Was that the one who was so flustered he couldn't film any of it? Amazing not a single journalist managed to get any footage of it. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but isn't a little bit bizarre that 25 minutes of rioting there isn't a single clip of it, apart from rocketman? Happy to be proven wrong. Not saying a few scumbags didn't throw bottles, but for something of that scale that the media is reporting, you would expect more than three Gardai injured and not a single protestor. All violence is abhorrent, but please supply some evidence ....

Howard Beale

Deleted User wrote: »

Was that the one who was so flustered he couldn't film any of it? Amazing not a single journalist managed to get any footage of it. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but isn't a little bit bizarre that 25 minutes of rioting there isn't a single clip of it, apart from rocketman? Happy to be proven wrong. Not saying a few scumbags didn't throw bottles, but for something of that scale that the media is reporting, you would expect more than three Gardai injured and not a single protestor. All violence is abhorrent, but please supply some evidence ....

25 minutes really is the twilight zone now. I was there few feet away.

Rocketman and 2 others riled up throwing things for max 5 minutes.

He does not speak for the thousands who showed up.

Same way Mao or Pol Pot doesn't speak for all socialists and lefties (or maybe they do)

Joeytheparrot

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Just listening to a journalist on the radio right now speaking about numerous glass bottles, plastic bottles, hot drinks, numerous fireworks being thrown for about 25 minutes.

That wasn’t evident in the videos I’ve seen. The Gardaí charged (rightly so as one guy fired a firework) and the crowd pretty much fled. It might have regrouped later.

Also why are we relying on social media and a journalist’s verbal account? Where was RTE?

blanch152

Deleted User wrote: »

Was that the one who was so flustered he couldn't film any of it? Amazing not a single journalist managed to get any footage of it. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but isn't a little bit bizarre that 25 minutes of rioting there isn't a single clip of it, apart from rocketman? Happy to be proven wrong. Not saying a few scumbags didn't throw bottles, but for something of that scale that the media is reporting, you would expect more than three Gardai injured and not a single protestor. All violence is abhorrent, but please supply some evidence ....

So three Gardai injured in a run-of-the-mill "peaceful protest" is somehow acceptable?

EmmetSpiceland

Fairly obvious that there are, more than, a few on here talking out both sides of their mouth. Spending months spouting far-right, and anti-lockdown, ideologies but then claiming there is no far-right when rioters, with a clear intent to harm Gardaí, kick off in town, while breaking “restrictions” in a most grievous manner.

These bottom feeders are ruining things for the rest of us, law abiding, citizens. Their selfish, irresponsible, “behaviour” has jeopardised any re-opening and will, ultimately, cost people their lives.

blanch152

blanch152 wrote: »

So three Gardai injured in a run-of-the-mill "peaceful protest" is somehow acceptable?

nullzero

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't recall any particular things about far right plants in Ireland. I do recall it occurring in the US but that was established as fact by intelligence agencies there and there were arrests of certain groups. And that's not saying blm folk weren't involved in causing issues etc.

So no, I think "both sides" is more just diverting from the fact that the far right has been recognised as a serious issue globally in the last few years.

Hysterical stuff, but from what I've seen from you previously it's hardly surprising.

Political extremism is dangerous regardless of what end of the spectrum you care to be on. You are clearly in favour of far left activists from your posting history here that is clear, so your assertion that it's only a problem when far right extremists are involved doesn't hold any water.

I think you're all crazy, and of course you'll defend you side even though you don't have a leg to stand on.

Look at modern political history and all you see is millions of dead innocent people all killed by far right and far left regimes. Neither work and they all end up in the same place, genocide. So you can take your moral grand standing and stick it where it deserves to be stuck, you fringe political crazies will be the death of us all.

Howard Beale

blanch152 wrote: »

Look, when you get a crazy bunch of Covid deniers together on a street, you will always have a few lunatics who turn violent, that is what has been seen across the world.

Maybe, that's all this was, maybe something more. We will see how things develop.

Covid deniers LOL. Many at it ever even wearing the mask!

In fact several had signs saying they will go along with the precautions but the lockdowns have to stop.

Did you look at a single picture from it outside of RTE? Obviously not.
You might be surprised.

thegetawaycar

There's plenty of clips of things being thrown at the Gardai near the entrance to Stephens Green shopping centre.

There's not 10's of thousands there by any stretch of the imagination.

Clearly not everyone there was looking for trouble but you'll now see even less (except scummers and the people weary of the reptilians) attending the next protest, had it passed off peacefully I'd expect there would have been way more willing to go next time. There's no way most people will want to be associated with that type of crap and the government will say with so few at anti lockdown protests then people are on board.
It's now going to have the exact opposite effect to what was intended.

nullzero

nullzero wrote: »

Look at modern political history and all you see is millions of dead innocent people all killed by fer right and far left regimes. Neither work and they all end up in the same place, genocide. So you can take your moral grand standing and stick it where it deserves to be stuck, you fringe political crazies will be the death of us all.

Literally the death of us all, as that's where it always ends up. Every time.

thegetawaycar

thegetawaycar wrote: »

There's plenty of clips of things being thrown at the Gardai near the entrance to Stephens Green shopping centre.

There's not 10's of thousands there by any stretch of the imagination.

Clearly not everyone there was looking for trouble but you'll now see even less (except scummers and the people weary of the reptilians) attending the next protest, had it passed off peacefully I'd expect there would have been way more willing to go next time. There's no way most people will want to be associated with that type of crap and the government will say with so few at anti lockdown protests then people are on board.
It's now going to have the exact opposite effect to what was intended.

Yes. All you will get now are the real scummers and troublemakers. No way any genuine protestors are going to peacefully protest now.

blanch152

blanch152 wrote: »

So three Gardai injured in a run-of-the-mill "peaceful protest" is somehow acceptable?

He clearly didn’t say that. It’s a good point about journalists though. They really don’t do their job anymore. Not only did RTE or any of the other TV channels not have their own crew there, no photo journalist deemed it worthy getting out of bed for. Hence we have claims of a 25 minute riot. But no evidence.

We rely on social media but that’s not going to be accurate either.

Get Real

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Just listening to a journalist on the radio right now speaking about numerous glass bottles, plastic bottles, hot drinks, numerous fireworks being thrown for about 25 minutes.

The behaviour on Saturday, I'm glad we have several journalists who can independently report what they saw.

And I'm glad it's in the public eye. Because these people also exist the other 364 days of the year. You saw their behaviour, treatment of the Gardaí and their use of garda resources.

The other 364 days of the year, they're also causing this drain on our public services. So next time you're waiting on a Garda to take details of your traffic collision, or waiting to get your passport stamped, know that these parasites are taking up your time in calls, being arrested, the court system, free legal aid.

Its a tale as old as time. The small percent are affecting services for the rest of us. Every. Single. Day.

Get Real

Get Real wrote: »

The behaviour on Saturday, I'm glad we have several journalists who can independently report what they saw.

And I'm glad it's in the public eye. Because these people also exist the other 364 days of the year. You saw their behaviour, treatment of the Gardaí and their use of garda resources.

The other 364 days of the year, they're also causing this drain on our public services. So next time you're waiting on a Garda to take details of your traffic collision, or waiting to get your passport stamped, know that these parasites are taking up your time in calls, being arrested, the court system, free legal aid.

Its a tale as old as time. The small percent are affecting services for the rest of us. Every. Single. Day.

This is an absolutely fair point. However it's a bit off topic.

nullzero

nullzero wrote: »

Hysterical stuff, but from what I've seen from you previously it's hardly surprising.

Political extremism is dangerous regardless of what end of the spectrum you care to be on. You are clearly in favour of far left activists from your posting history here that is clear, so your assertion that it's only a problem when far right extremists are involved doesn't hold any water.

I think you're all crazy, and of course you'll defend you side even though you don't have a leg to stand on.

Look at modern political history and all you see is millions of dead innocent people all killed by far right and far left regimes. Neither work and they all end up in the same place, genocide. So you can take your moral grand standing and stick it where it deserves to be stuck, you fringe political crazies will be the death of us all.

I don't think there's currently an issue with a rise of a far left, I actually wouldn't favour a scenario where that happened, I'm largely centrist. I do think there's an issue with the far right globally and it has been identified to be an issue by intelligence agencies across the globe. I addressed your post but you just seem to have gone off on a rant on how you view me to be crazy rather than addressing the substance of my post.