Right wing extremist group behind Dublin Protest say Gardai

ohnonotgmail

jelem wrote: »

google\facebook\twitter microsoft NOT my friend or yours -avoided since early as saw what would\could and has happened.
i saw the DDR in 1970s and what the so called great democracies usa\europe stated the abuse and anti democratic
behaviour of the government.
here we are 2021 and a more severe regime in so called democratic countries.
cant buy socks or have a crap\speak to friend without it all logged and scrutinised -
SHEEPLE

what in the name of jesus are you on about?

Ten of Swords

Jelem do not post in this thread again

Jinglejangle69

I can't understand the Irish left and right.

The far right being blamed for Saturday are nationalists carrying tricolours, who vote for SF who are left wing.

Anyone care to explain???

realdanbreen

DerekC16 wrote: »

Youd see worse on a Halloween night in rough parts of Dublin. No ones getting custodial sentences over it though.

Your buddy in the white top is!

drunkmonkey

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I can't understand the Irish left and right.

The far right being blamed for Saturday are nationalists carrying tricolours, who vote for SF who are left wing.

Anyone care to explain???

I think your mixing up two sets of republicans, Sinn Fein are to the left and the National Party are republicans on the right.
NP leader said a good few of their members were there.

I can't get my head around it either, every party seems to be center or left leaning to some degree leaving the NP the only right wing party. Don't think there's any definitive answer.

Tippman24

nullzero wrote: »

You fire ahead, we'll hold your pint.

When the pubs re-open, I will arrange the march!!!

nullzero

Tippman24 wrote: »

When the pubs re-open, I will arrange the march!!!

I'll start holding my breath so...

Jinglejangle69

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I think your mixing up two sets of republicans, Sinn Fein are to the left and the National Party are republicans on the right.
NP leader said a good few of their members were there.

I can't get my head around it either, every party seems to be center or left leaning to some degree leaving the NP the only right wing party. Don't think there's any definitive answer.

One party wants a United Ireland and claim to be passionate about Irish people but are pro immigration and open borders- SF.

The other party wants a United Ireland and claim to be passionate about Irish people but are anti immigration and open borders- NP.

Bonkers.

smurgen

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

One party wants a United Ireland and claim to be passionate about Irish people but are pro immigration and open borders- SF.

The other party wants a United Ireland and claim to be passionate about Irish people but are anti immigration and open borders- NP.

Bonkers.

And one party pretends to be progressive while wolf whistling identify politics and voting with the far right in Europe.

normanoffside

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMT8xwl5gr4

If anyone is still interested, t.he Actual organiser of the protest is interviewed here (from about 5 minutes).

drunkmonkey

smurgen wrote: »

And one party pretends to be progressive while wolf whistling identify politics and voting with the far right in Europe.

They're socialists though that would make them left like PBP etc, no?

DerekC16

realdanbreen wrote: »

Your buddy in the white top is!

Did you actually call yourself after Dan Breen the Republican, fan of Hitler and Ailtirí na hAiséirghe?

bfa1509

This is the Prime Time special this evening about the 'violent' protests in Dublin for anyone who didn't see it:

You can count on RTE to blow everything out of proportion. I thought they were discussing fkn Tiananmen Square in 1989

DerekC16

bfa1509 wrote: »

This is the Prime Time special this evening about the 'violent' protests in Dublin for anyone who didn't see it:

You can count on RTE to blow everything out of proportion. I thought they were discussing fkn Tiananmen Square in 1989

There was nowhere near the outrage back in 06 when Dublin city was wrecked and millions of euro worth of damage caused during the Love Ulster protest. Now that was what you call a riot. A left wing riot.

golfball37

RTÉ should drop the E and they’d have more credibility. They are essentially a propaganda arm these days. Worrying times. This is the sort of stuff that allowed Trump be electable when ordinary people saw through the agenda and decided a two fingers vote to the establishment was worth a shot.

newhouse87

Surprised they left McGurk on it, came across very well and made alot of sensible points which the rte presenter couldnt/didnt challenge him on. Its people like him, not Justin barrett and his goons that most right wing voters want.

Curse These Metal Hands

The comparison to the violence towards Gardai after that shooting a while back is fair, unless throwing rocks at a person rather than attacking them with fireworks makes you a morally superior individual like it was hilariously suggested on Prime Time. Would be nice to see more criticism from RTE of both sets of loonies, your average Joe wants nothing to do with far right or far left nutcases.

flexcon

That was a tough watch,

From both sides it was weak.

I don't agree with the Protesting. I think it's silly and I think Neale put it correctly.

However

I felt John McGirk raised a great point I had not considered - what about the BLM protests. Made me ponder and I feel let down that a sufficient answer wasn't given.

Its's only my political beliefs that mean I'm not up in arms over that but if I am true to myself that point did get me pondering.

MrStuffins

flexcon wrote: »

I felt John McGirk raised a great point I had not considered - what about the BLM protests.

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

I can't see how anti-fa, whatever of it even exists in Ireland, would've had much to do with yesterday. At the protest there were no BLM tshirts, LGBTIAQ2++ flags, Palestinian flags

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

No mention of illegal blm protests

kildare lad wrote: »

Maybe they should have had the protest under the guide of being a BLM demonstration and the gardai would have left them alone.

kildare lad wrote: »

Ye the gardai didn't seem to keen to arrest anyone when they were stopping traffic and beating people up or when shoppers had to barricade themselves in a shop while the protesters were shouting " white bastards " at the people inside . Strange that

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

BLM protests that included rioting and looting.

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

I assume you were saying the same about the BLM protests in Ireland that breached lockdown / social distancing guidelines? If so, fair play.

nullzero wrote: »

To be fair any time something similar happens at a left wing protest or a BLM rally .......

Deleted User wrote: »

It's like the genuine/peaceful BLM protesters in the States having the Antifa nutjobs turn-up at their protest, solely to cause trouble. Wrongly smears the entire event.

Deleted User wrote: »

Case in point: BLM peaceful protest for George Floyd. Antifa crazies attend and start vandalizing.

Deleted User wrote: »

I was using BLM/ANTIFA to illustrate that conflicting agendas commonly show up to protests.

AllForIt wrote: »

When has the Gardai ever referred to left-wing protesters? E.G, BLM, during Covid restrictions I might add.

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Yeah the Blm one in June added months.

Wasn't called out though. Media supported it.
Funny

flexcon

MrStuffins wrote: »

Point taken.:):o

silverharp

big fan of the BLM protests last year and the politicians reaction to it, burst the bubble

CtevenSrowder

MrStuffins wrote: »

Why have you quoted me in that post?

Mad_maxx

MrStuffins wrote: »

Yes, highlighting rank hypocrisy is "whataboutterry"

seamus

newhouse87 wrote: »

Surprised they left McGurk on it, came across very well and made alot of sensible points which the rte presenter couldnt/didnt challenge him on. Its people like him, not Justin barrett and his goons that most right wing voters want.

McGuirk has had to issue an apology this morning for saying that Eirigí shot Lyra McKee.

When it fact was Saoradh.

This wasn't an accident, even though he's claiming it's a mistake. Saoradh are affiliated with Youth Defence. The same lunatics who've been involved in various protests and anti-abortion rallies in the past. The same lunatics who fund Gript, the website that McGuirk is the editor of.

Like I say, not an accident. It's a common tactic with conservative groups to throw out "errors" like this; the lie is what people remember, but the apology is missed. We saw it used to powerful effect in the US over the last four years.

nullzero

Seeing how breaching lockdown restrictions in the shape of mass gatherings is central to this topic it is fair for people to raise the issue of other mass gatherings in relation to it.

The use of meme imagery as a means of condescension to anyone you feel is in opposition to your stance on this topic is a weak tactic.

I oppose the protest last Saturday and I also oppose the BLM gatherings that have happened previously. Both go against the logic of trying to contain this pandemic yet the BLM protests are endorsed by government ministers who also support the notion that mass gatherings should be avoided. That is hypocrisy and people have a right to point that out.

A reasoned response from government ministers to the BLM protests would have been to state that they agree with the principle of the protest but that a pandemic was not the time for mass gatherings.

If the Prime Time piece did one thing of value it displayed how the protest was made up of a large number of groups with varying opinions on topics related to the lockdown, some here claimed that the entire thing was organised by far right groups, which is patently untrue but it fits the narrative of the rise of the far right in Ireland, a narrative that is beginning to feel more and more like a paranoid fantasy.

In reality, any ground made by the likes of the National Party by hijacking peoples concerns about continued lockdown has been lost by the violent nature of what happened this past weekend. People are more focused on them than ever, more focused and in no mood to get on board with their politics.

The irony of left wing posters being horrified by a member of the Gardai being hit by a rocket last Saturday when in the wake of the George Nkencho shooting they were happy to label the Gardai as racist and defended that man's brother threatening the Garda who shot him shouldn't be lost on people either.

You can't simply pick and choose what is morally acceptable based upon your political outlook.

keano_afc

nullzero wrote: »

Seeing how breaching lockdown restrictions in the shape of mass gatherings is central to this topic it is fair for people to raise the issue of other mass gatherings in relation to it.

The use of meme imagery as a means of condescension to anyone you feel is in opposition to your stance on this topic is a weak tactic.

I oppose the protest last Saturday and I also oppose the BLM gatherings that have happened previously. Both go against the logic of trying to contain this pandemic yet the BLM protests are endorsed by government ministers who also support the notion that mass gatherings should be avoided. That is hypocrisy and people have a right to point that out.

A reasoned response from government ministers to the BLM protests would have been to state that they agree with the principle of the protest but that a pandemic was not the time for mass gatherings.

If the Prime Time piece did one thing of value it displayed how the protest was made up of a large number of groups with varying opinions on topics related to the lockdown, some here claimed that the entire thing was organised by far right groups, which is patently untrue but it fits the narrative of the rise of the far right in Ireland, a narrative that is beginning to feel more and more like a paranoid fantasy.

In reality, any ground made by the likes of the National Party by hijacking peoples concerns about continued lockdown has been lost by the violent nature of what happened this past weekend. People are more focused on them than ever, more focused and in no mood to get on board with their politics.

This.

When it comes to political discourse, as a country we appear to be boned. I was following the #rtept on Twitter last night and was shocked to see an elected TD criticising RTE for even daring to have McGurk on. They've been so cocooned by cushy, belly tickling interviews over the past few years that they're now offended by an actual debate.

RTE deserve credit for inviting him on, but after a few minutes it became clear that Byrne just wasnt interested in addressing any of his points.

EmmetSpiceland

With the fear around this riot being a “dry run” for another violent event on St. Patrick’s Day I think the army should be drafted in to close off the streets to allow the Gardaí focus solely on breaking up any large far-right groups hell bent on causing mayhem.

I can only assume that, this time, the Gards won’t underestimate the number of far-right anti-RTÉ thugs out there. We can’t allow this lunatic fringe jeopardise our re-opening. It’s sheer insanity, hospital numbers are the lowest since the end of December and the vaccines are “rolling out”.

WrenBoy

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I can only assume that, this time, the Gards won’t underestimate the number of far-right anti-RTÉ thugs out there. We can’t allow this lunatic fringe jeopardise our re-opening. It’s sheer insanity, hospital numbers are the lowest since the end of December and the vaccines are “rolling out”.

"What you mean you don't watch Fair City !? What are you, A Nazi !!?"

MrStuffins

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

With the fear around this riot being a “dry run” for another violent event on St. Patrick’s Day I think the army should be drafted in to close off the streets to allow the Gardaí focus solely on breaking up any large far-right groups hell bent on causing mayhem.

I can only assume that, this time, the Gards won’t underestimate the number of far-right anti-RTÉ thugs out there. We can’t allow this lunatic fringe jeopardise our re-opening. It’s sheer insanity, hospital numbers are the lowest since the end of December and the vaccines are “rolling out”.

It's almost like some of these idiots see their window for trouble-making get smaller and smaller as case numbers and hospitalisations come down, alongside the vaccine programme kicking up, and normality being resumed.

How will they protest against their freedoms being taken away when their freedoms aren't taken away?

nullzero

MrStuffins wrote: »

It's almost like some of these idiots see their window for trouble-making get smaller and smaller as case numbers and hospitalisations come down, alongside the vaccine programme kicking up, and normality being resumed.

How will they protest against their freedoms being taken away when their freedoms aren't taken away?

So what your saying is that these groups aren't really going to be an issue post covid and aren't really a problem at all?