Right wing extremist group behind Dublin Protest say Gardai

smurgen

smurgen wrote: »

Egg on the face of Drew Harris.

https://twitter.com/PTHosford/status/1365953325334728704?s=19

Man makes a mistake and owns up to same. Egg on face? Really? More the Mark of the man that he’s big enough to admit it and issue a clarification.

James Brown

biko wrote: »

Is it too early to mention Trump?

When I read Harris' initial take i thought of Trump. 'the far left'. Political comment.
No doubt we'll see FF/FG/Greens use it to try score points off the shinners.
The only anti-mask folk im aware of are the same anti abortion anti gay marriage types wouldn't touch the left.

Stihl waters

Is there any concrete evidence it was any right or left wing involved, it just seemed like a bunch of tracksuited howyas with fcuk all else to do, not that they do anything anyway

James Brown

Stihl waters wrote: »

Is there any concrete evidence it was any right or left wing involved, it just seemed like a bunch of tracksuited howyas with fcuk all else to do, not that they do anything anyway

Its irresponsible of them to try create such divides without solid evidence. Likely a call went out over social media and all sorts turned up. There will be some ring leaders no doubt.
'Tracksuits howyas' don't tend to get involved in political discourse.

NeuralNetwork

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

There are times when you’d wonder about humans. We’ve the collective intellect to see what the issues are and how to solve them, but we’ve the mentality of fighting tribes.

Seems to me for all the bright visions of a high tech, open minded, optimistic future we could just as easily end up in some of post industrial Dark Ages, with a large dose of Mad Max all driven by online rumours.

COVID seems like it will either make us or break us as it’s the first serious problem a relatively entitled “west” has had to deal with in our lifetimes and it just seems many are throwing the toys out of the pram rather than actually trying to fix the problem.

Ireland’s far from the worst but when you look around the USA or Europe - conspiracy theories in the main steam, violence, chaotic politics, weak leadership relying on populism to keep power rather than competence, some of the weakest journalism in decades, largely being caused by imploding media as sales as online social platforms squeeze them out, so there’s no money to fund it anymore.

Then throw a pandemic into a system and a society or group of societies, large chunks of which are too self absorbed to respond in a practical way, preferring to hide in online bubbles where they’ve their own reality.

Depressing.

Oh I don’t know. Overly pessimistic there. If this were a dystopian science fiction movie then after a year of lockdowns American and European cities would be burning. A few protests - one or two - is all we got. There was one violent act yesterday, as reprehensible as it was. Then the crowd scattered as police tried to get that guy. Let’s not talk this up.

Coillte_Bhoy

Stihl waters wrote: »

Is there any concrete evidence it was any right or left wing involved, it just seemed like a bunch of tracksuited howyas with fcuk all else to do, not that they do anything anyway

Plenty of evidence, NP were handing out leaflets, known far right speakers, organised by a far right group, i posted link few pages back

Mimon

Mimon wrote: »

Would you stand there and take one point blank in the face, no you fkn wouldn't, cop to fk on with this ****e.

I take it you arent familar with exmachina? Let me simplify; Gardai do A, Exmachina says they should have done B. They do B, they should have tried C, they end up doing C, they never even considered A because they just assumed C.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

As per usual, Law & Order types don't like it when Law & Order is applied to them.

Predictable and sad.

The idea that these guys are law and order types is definitely incorrect. The crowd was indeed white, male and young. A lot of anti vac anti lockdown types I know are female and often older.

It just seems like a rent a mob. In the videos I saw there was no political signs, no religious signs, no political parties and they were marching to the ole ole Irish football song.

It’s people who are tired of lockdowns. Ascribing trumpism, or far rightism or Q anonism or whatever conspiracy of the day is short sighted.

ExMachina1000

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I take it you arent familar with exmachina? Let me simplify; Gardai do A, Exmachina says they should have done B. They do B, they should have tried C, they end up doing C, they never even considered A because they just assumed C.

Gardai should have dragged the score that fired the firework in their direction into a cell. Baton charging doesn't discriminate the peaceful protestors from the thugs and peaceful protestors end up getting hit or trampled on. It paints a picture of protest isnt permitted. Russia or China style.

No baton charge seen at recent blanchardstown protest. Where stones and fireworks were also aimed at police.

More political policing from the boys in blue. And I dont mean fg

Leo calling it what it was, a riot.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40235042.html

“The violence on the streets of Dublin on Saturday was “not a protest, it was a riot” according to Tánaiste Leo Varadkar. In the Sunday Times, some protestors in Dublin yesterday were asked why they were protesting or how it was linked to RTÉ, the state broadcaster.
Those quoted outlined a conspiracy theory that involved babies being killed and harvested for “adrenochrome” which is used to keep RTE celebrities “looking young” while the corpses are buried under the new children’s hospital.
The two claimed the government were “basically paedophiles” and that there were videos explaining this on a website known for hosting far-right speakers and conspiracy theories.
Mr Varadkar said such commentary was “bonkers” and similar to the kind of conspiracy theories heard from far-right supporters in the United States.
He said social media platforms should take down or stop messaging which promotes extreme or illegal activity.”

Stihl waters

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Plenty of evidence, NP were handing out leaflets, known far right speakers, organised by a far right group, i posted link few pages back

Thanks, didn't read the thread, have they any real support, I'd imagine plenty scrotes around there would be happy enough to take part in any protests as long as it would let them cause some trouble, there doesn't seem to be s massive support for right or left in Ireland anyway, just a bunch of wasters with too much time on their hands

Coillte_Bhoy

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Plenty of evidence, NP were handing out leaflets, known far right speakers, organised by a far right group, i posted link few pages back

You might be right but I was unaware that there were any speakers. None made the news or videos. leafleters can turn up at anything.

Larbre34

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You might be right but I was unaware that there were any speakers. None made the news or videos. leafleters can turn up at anything.

Particularly things they knew about in advance because they were deeply involved in the planning!

These right wing morons are entirety clueless to the reality that the Guards know absolutely everything they say, do and plan.

nullzero

James Brown wrote: »

'Tracksuits howyas' don't tend to get involved in political discourse.

https://www.google.com/search?q=love+ulster+riots&oq=love+ulster+riots+&aqs=chrome..69i57.3579j0j7&client=ms-android-motorola-gfw&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Almost 15 years to the day.

ExMachina1000

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

No baton charge seen at recent blanchardstown protest. Where stones and fireworks were also aimed at police.

Your pants are on fire

Larbre34

Larbre34 wrote: »

Particularly things they knew about in advance because they were deeply involved in the planning!

These right wing morons are entirety clueless to the reality that the Guards know absolutely everything they say, do and plan.

That doesn’t make it any clearer about the speakers or organisers. I used to turn up at some liberal left protests back in the day and the socialist workers party would be there but they didn’t organise it.

Annasopra

Stihl waters wrote: »

Is there any concrete evidence it was any right or left wing involved, it just seemed like a bunch of tracksuited howyas with fcuk all else to do, not that they do anything anyway

Lots of pictures and videos of National Party people and Yellow Vest people and Qanon people so yes the evidence is there its far right.

biko

Maybe I've missed something in the articles but have anyone expressed why Garda stopped the demonstration?
Usually demonstrations don't need a permit in Ireland.

biko

biko wrote: »

Maybe I've missed something in the articles but have anyone expressed why Garda stopped the demonstration?
Usually demonstrations don't need a permit in Ireland.

They obviously had intelligence before the demo that there would be trouble.

That's why there were horses, dogs and public order personal there.

nullzero

nullzero wrote: »

https://www.google.com/search?q=love+ulster+riots&oq=love+ulster+riots+&aqs=chrome..69i57.3579j0j7&client=ms-android-motorola-gfw&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Almost 15 years to the day.

I was there! Shopping. It was intense but not really frightening. We were as a crowd pushed away

But if that level of violence happened yesterday there would be the demand for mass incarceration. The hysteria about the right wing is also an American import. It’s valid there. Not here. I bet most of the protesters yesterday would vote SF if they vote at all.

biko

bubblypop wrote: »

They obviously had intelligence before the demo that there would be trouble.

That's why there were horses, dogs and public order personal there.

To prevent protest is unconstitutional so it's strange they would block a protest and risk triggering violence and later court.
As I understand it from the papers, until the block there were no problems at the demo.

Coillte_Bhoy

Deleted User wrote: »

You might be right but I was unaware that there were any speakers. None made the news or videos. leafleters can turn up at anything.

There was yeah and some music too i think

biko

biko wrote: »

To prevent protest is unconstitutional so it's strange they would block a protest and risk triggering violence.
As I understand it from the papers, until the block there were no problems at the demo.

You misunderstand Biko, on purpose no doubt
They were there because they obviously were aware that violence had been promised.
They don't go all out for just any old demo, but you know that

SuperSean11

biko wrote: »

To prevent protest is unconstitutional so it's strange they would block a protest and risk triggering violence and later court.
As I understand it from the papers, until the block there were no problems at the demo.

The demonstration was the problem, working folk shouldn’t have to negotiate around such a demonstration. Plus carrying a firework might have been a giveaway

biko

biko wrote: »

To prevent protest is unconstitutional so it's strange they would block a protest and risk triggering violence and later court.
As I understand it from the papers, until the block there were no problems at the demo.

No protest was prevented. Gardai and indeed the council can close public amenities

John Doe1

There is a miniscule Far-right element in this country that actually cares about a person's skin colour, the new Left are the ones who are mainly obsessed with someones skin these days.

This group are the absolute fringe, like I'd say there as many 20 year old twitter leftists with the ability to comprehend nuance as members of this group, its that small!:D

It should also be noted that having a pessimistic view about multiculturalism and wanting to have something like a points based immigration system and filtering out frauds from refugee applicants is not a far right racist position. Its centrist and should be the norm in every country.

Also, if you think Ireland is a racist country, you need to go somewhere like China.

Plenty of racists in West Dublin though...

https://twitter.com/ox_dev/status/1344682108887986179?s=20

Zatoichi

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0228/1199831-dublin-protests/

An Garda Síochána said they regard extreme left factions or groups as those who are intent on using violence for political means.

Minister for Justice Helen McEntee has said that some of those who attended the riot in Dublin yesterday were individuals with previous connections to far-left violent groups or organisations.

Minister McEntee said the clarification from Garda Commissioner Drew Harris was intended to make this clear, as some of those identified were individuals or factions who may have moved to the extreme right from previous allegiances with other organisations on the left.

Previously connected to far-left groups but we received alot of complaints from twitter so they're far-right now. On ya go.

Balls2dWall

Reading the replies to the original post proves that Ireland is carpeted wall to wall with gob****es.

biko

SuperSean11 wrote: »

The demonstration was the problem, working folk shouldn’t have to negotiate around such a demonstration. Plus carrying a firework might have been a giveaway

But the firework was produced only after the blockade, not before.

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

No protest was prevented. Gardai and indeed the council can close public amenities

By public amenities, do you mean the park? Why didn't Gard just close the park then? There are gates.

John Doe1

Balls2dWall wrote: »

Reading the replies to the original post proves that Ireland is carpeted wall to wall with gob****es.

Great input pal. Welcome to Boards.ie btw