Right wing extremist group behind Dublin Protest say Gardai

JJayoo

rossie1977 wrote: »

These groups have been allowed to grow unhindered for years and spread their ideology via youtube, twitter, facebook and even national TV.

Having seen many clips I really doubt these little scumbags have an 'ideology',more like the 5km rule has made moving drugs around ireland a pain so anto and the boyz have plenty off time on their hands

DelaneysMule

rossie1977 wrote: »

Why are people so willing to defend the far right?

The is a massive problem in the western world with far right groups from the US to Canada. to Ireland to UK to mainland Europe to Australia/New Zealand.

These groups have been allowed to grow unhindered for years and spread their ideology via youtube, twitter, facebook and even national TV.

A widely used tactic of the far right is to try to make it look like they are "normal" and the far right is just a bunch of weird scummers, not them. The left are "traitors". They coordinate this kind of thing between them and you usually will see a group of "random" accounts on various sites seeming to agree and one up each other to try make it look like they are the norm. It's very very transparent once you realize what they are up to. They don't have any subtlety.

nullzero

DelaneysMule wrote: »

A widely used tactic of the far right is to try to make it look like they are "normal" and the far right is just a bunch of weird scummers, not them. The left are "traitors". They coordinate this kind of thing between them and you usually will see a group of "random" accounts on various sites seeming to agree and one up each other to try make it look like they are the norm. It's very very transparent once you realize what they are up to. They don't have any subtlety.

That's some extremely odd paranoid conspiratorial thinking.

The far right exists in Ireland but it's a tiny minority, something which demonstrable through factual evidence.

Scumbags who are happy to involve themselves in protests on either side of the political divide also exist, albeit in larger numbers than actual right wing activists and they're always happy to show up to help cause trouble at events such as this weekend or say the Jobstown water protests.

The systemic coordination of far right groups popping up online to propagate their ideas on sites such as this is on the surface far fetched and in your case (a member of this site for a whole day) a little rich.

The_Kew_Tour

The annoying thing lately is seeing people video in hospitals and videoing nurses and Doctors usually at their job by areas they work. But because they are not flat out sweating it proves that this is all a hoax.

Do these idiots not realise that most people who are being treated for Covid in hospitals are in special rooms and the ICU department. They ain’t going just show these people to the world. They are critical. It ain’t going to be a show for people who walk around a hospital.

Any person who videos inside a hospital should be prosecuted.

kowloon

FairCityFanboy wrote: »

We also know from the SCIENCE that wearing masks for prolonged periods of time can result in respiratory issues, especially in children.

Someone needs to tell all the people who work all week with masks on! :rolleyes:

kowloon wrote: »

This is why I think the right-left spectrum is bull****. It's people calling themselves right-wing who are talking about freedom of speech so much lately and Trump supporters are protesting masks in the States.

Of course, that's what happens when you try to turn all of human discourse into a sport.

kowloon

kowloon wrote: »

Someone needs to tell all the people who work all week with masks on! :rolleyes:

This isn't proof or whatever, but I work with a clean room mask all the time, but can't actually use the cloth ones..

5 minutes after putting it on I can feel it in my lungs and have trouble breathing..

Geuze

rossie1977 wrote: »

Why are people so willing to defend the far right?

The is a massive problem in the western world with far right groups from the US to Canada. to Ireland to UK to mainland Europe to Australia/New Zealand.

These groups have been allowed to grow unhindered for years and spread their ideology via youtube, twitter, facebook and even national TV.

I am not defending them.

They seem much smaller in number than the far-left?

All I ask is that equal attention is paid to far-left extremists.

There are 13 far-left TDs, there are zero far-right TDs, AFAIK.

I'm sure there are dozens of far-left councillors, are there are far-right councillors??

Far-left politicians have power, and are on TV/radio every week

Witcher

Deleted User wrote: »

This isn't proof or whatever, but I work with a clean room mask all the time, but can't actually use the cloth ones..

5 minutes after putting it on I can feel it in my lungs and have trouble breathing..

You should see a doctor. There are people with COPD wearing them and having no issues.

MrMusician18

Sonic the Shaghog wrote: »

Joey misses a lot when it suits tbh

I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's interesting that you know something of a posters style considering that you only joined the site in July last year.

completedit

What a sad world we live in.

Essentially it seems to boil down to an attitude of comply or be vilified. Its okay to have have an opinion but make sure your opinion fits the consensus.

We say we care about inequality but God forbid anyone protest against neverending perceptual lockdowns which forecasts have shown will exasperate inequality in Europe and the Row. But sure we can just kick that can down the road. Its not like negative economic outcomes ever led to wars or anything.

Talk about mental health and the importance of "just talking" but then relegate it to a sideshow in the Covid debate. Someone aludrd to it above but we have to weigh up deaths against all the other negative externalities brought about by Covid restrictions. That at least has to be part of the discourse. At least pretend that there is some deliberation taking place with regards the measures being taken.

"Liberte, egalite , fraternity", a 200 year old framework for judging a just and fair society. Then some people decide to have a protest ONE YEAR into the most draconian measures we will ever face in our lives and people are flabbergasted that some people might choose to protest. It's bizarre. I'll say it again but if you judge the negative effects of Covid lockdowns as a serious health and societal issue(mental health, which isn't just feeling a bit blue, growing inequality, growing feeling of alienation, unknown experiments with the cognitive development of children in very important parts of their lives, limited unequal access to education, social unrest, etc.)

How many people would have been at the protest if they weren't scared to go against the grain or come across like a bit of an oddball? We all want to see ourselves as part of the fabric of society, if we go to those protests it's like confirmation that we are the losers or the outcasts which acts as huge impediment to protest. Eventually you'll break people. The respected class wanted schools back up and running and they got their wish. Once they're done to work from home without the hassle or child minding, everything is grand. Now it's time to tow official government policy. Lockdowns for however long it takes to get covid down to some abritarily low rate.

I know it's a difficult situation . I don't even know if we shouldn't have lockdowns. WHO have advised against them but they probably would have advised against the loosening of the laws here at Christmas. The facts were that things did get serious. We have 2 million and counting deaths throughout the world because of Covid(again whether they all died of Covid is another issue) but it does seem to be the third most deadly pandemic of all time. It's not nothing. However those who mostly die of Covid are of a certain demographic which would allow ud conceivably live with much less damaging restrictions while isolating those vulnerable. Again, it's what they are doing already so I don't see what is so controversial about that.

Everyone who is anti the mere thought that people might have issue with lockdowns; just thank your lucky stars that there is an end in sight and that the vaccine development was so rapid. Because you were saved from having to face your own sketchy morality. You can live with your simplistic "if we just save one life" mantra. Let's just hope the scarring of lockdowns is shallow. Like I genuinely hope it is. I'm optimistic that the vaccine rollout just began in the nick of time.

As for the protests, the old definition of left and right doesn't work anymore. The left has gone corporate I'd say the average left wing are more like the old right(pious, conformist, intolerant of difference) bit at same time they're not at all. And same for the right, they're like the old left except in all the ways they're not. Then again, this isn't unusual, the Soviet Union was the most conformist place, on the surface the least, that you could imagine. My interpreation of left and right is shaped through an American lens.

Sinn Fein gets a lot of people voting for them who are no more left than Joseph Goebells. They just have managed to diffuse the far right in this country and absorbed a lot of people who might have otherwise vote for such a party. It might be their most important role in Irish politics.

Quantum Erasure

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's interesting that you know something of a posters style considering that you only joined the site in July last year.

Six months is plenty of time to get to know the place, shure I remember my first account here, didn't take that long at all to get to know the locals...

meathstevie

Cordell wrote: »

It's a quite honest mistake to make given how similar far left and far right is, especially in their love of achieving their goals with violence.
In fact antifa have more in common with the far right nazi they claim to be against than with the moderate left.

Correct and true, the only difference between a communist and a fascist is the hand they salute with.

completedit

meathstevie wrote: »

Correct and true, the only difference between a communist and a fascist is the hand they salute with.

How do you know a Communist from a Fascist. One is Russian, the other is German.

What I find odd is how many sections of society are so concerned that the far left aren't seen to be associated with this protest. The far left - ie people like Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot ? Dissident republican groups? In fact Drew Harris clarified that by far left he was referring to these, and he is correct - they are far left ideologically. Why are they so keen to defend the far left?

What I also find odd is that so few are willing to even consider that just MAYBE many people protesting have lost everything due to lockdowns, aren't far left, right or anything else, and on the duration and severity of them here, which is way out of whack with pretty much anywhere else they actually have a point ?

Violence is never ok at a protest, however there is a narrative being spun here.

Leo Varadkar referenced riots ... I've seen no evidence of this. I saw one scumbag firing a rocket at Gardai and reports but oddly no video of bottles etc being thrown at Gardai.

Simon Coveney has now said these protests aren't "legitimate" ... So only Government approved protests are legitimate now?

And Neale Richmond wants to ban all further protests.

The media have been talking about a far right problem and they may have a point - but they are looking in the wrong place. The far right they refer to is a tiny minority of reprehensible scumbags, just as the much larger far left is. The politicians above, this is how the real far right, or far left for that matter operate. They crush all dissent. Very worrying for democracy.

Hellotonever

completedit wrote: »

How do you know a Communist from a Fascist. One is Russian, the other is German.

?????

JJayoo

JJayoo wrote: »

Knacker scumbags behind it

An apt description of the national party.

DelaneysMule

The gardai have to do something about these organisers.



Fear as anti-lockdown riot possibly 'trial-run' for two huge future Dublin protests with more dates organised by group

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/lockdownprotests-irelandriots-stpatricksday-dublin-gardai-19936206

The group behind Saturday's violent and dangerous protests are said to be planning another two bigger events which will take place in March.

The plans were understood to have been drawn up just hours after the destruction caused in the city centre which saw 23 arrested and three Gardai injured, one of whom was hospitalised.

Organisers of the gatherings are understood to be putting together plans for another protest on Paddy's Day and on March 20, three weeks after the first.

Annasopra

FairCityFanboy wrote: »

I like how thousands of people show up in the city centre to express their disappointment with lockdown laws yet all the media talk about is 'right wing extremists'.

There are legitimate concerns at play here. They need to be discussed.

The legitimate concerns can be discussed. The protests were organised and lead by far right extremists.

Annasopra

Mad_maxx wrote: »

why is it so hard to believe that the vast majority of protestors had nothing to do with an organized " far right " or that the scrote who pegged the missile at the guard was a mere opportunist who had no affiliation with the " far right "

Because the protests was organised through groups on facebook and telegram that are far right extremist groups, because the National Party and Yellow Vests had heavy presences there as well as QAnon conspirators. There wasnt just 1 missile thrown at Gardai. The "Antifa plant" is old hat to be wheeled out at this stage.

dan1895

For those looking for evidence of bottles/missile throwing.

paw patrol

dan1895 wrote: »

For those looking for evidence of bottles/missile throwing.

wow. stunning evidence.

DelaneysMule

You can see a guard taking a bottle to the head at the 1.37 mark of this video and check to see if he is bleeding. It looks like he took a good whack. He looks to be in his 50s. How much of a degenerate do you have to be to do that?


https://twitter.com/NoMoreHate2021/status/1366120820234276865

paw patrol

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

The legitimate concerns can be discussed. The protests were organised and lead by far right extremists.

this is a lie.
I was there with my eldest kid and neither of us are in any far right grouping nor were we led by any far right group.

Although it is you who labels anybody you disagree with as far right. So maybe in your mind that is the reality.

flexcon

DelaneysMule wrote: »

You can see a guard taking a bottle to the head at the 1.37 mark of this video and check to see if he is bleeding. It looks like he took a good whack. He looks to be in his 50s. How much of a degenerate do you have to be to do that?


https://twitter.com/NoMoreHate2021/status/1366120820234276865

"Tell that wife of your you love cause ill smash that face in"

"I'll rob ya"

I mean wow.

his fellow "peaceful" protestors should have intervened and prevented more escalation. (maybe that did happen off camera)

paw patrol

paw patrol wrote: »

this is a lie.
I was there with my eldest kid and neither of us are in any far right grouping nor were we led by any far right group.

Although it is you who labels anybody you disagree with as far right. So maybe in your mind that is the reality.

Presumably once the mood changed and the throwing things started, you left and got your child out of there quickly?
Anyone who was there for actual peaceful reasons, while naive, I'm assuming left pretty quick.

flexcon

paw patrol wrote: »

this is a lie.
I was there with my eldest kid and neither of us are in any far right grouping nor were we led by any far right group.

Although it is you who labels anybody you disagree with as far right. So maybe in your mind that is the reality.

I think in fairness the posters online were showing nothing but the Irish Flag,
Claiming to turn up to get back your country's democracy
The language issued on these posters is classic and sets it up to include "Scum"

I mean on one of the posters for the cork one it literally shows an Irish flag at a protest, and says "Bring cans for the day"

Christ. Maybe the "genuine" protesters need to realise what this is doing.

JJayoo

You would need a water cannon that pumps out a very heavy mist, maybe a water/salt solution that you could get down to -10, soak the knackers and see if they will hang around for hours

dan1895

paw patrol wrote: »

wow. stunning evidence.

Photos and videos is pretty good evidence actually.

blanch152

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

The legitimate concerns can be discussed. The protests were organised and lead by far right extremists.

I tend to subscribe to the horseshoe theory of political systems.

Far-right and far-left are closer to each other than they are to the mainstream.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory#:~:text=In%20political%20science%20and%20popular,a%20horseshoe%20are%20close%20together.

paw patrol

bubblypop wrote: »

Presumably once the mood changed and the throwing things started, you left and got your child out of there quickly?
Anyone who was there for actual peaceful reasons, while naive, I'm assuming left pretty quick.

my eldest kid is 19 btw so we had no need to get out of there quickly. We ended up going down oconnell st anyway.
we weren't up the front fighting with gardai , that wasn't what the day was for for 99% of people. We met a load of nice normal people on sat and honestly we met some far out there folk - the magic crystal/5G crowd but they are nice too .
whats odd is we met black people there too - maybe i'm old and out of touch , so correct me - is the far right multi cultural these days??:pac:

If you think about how wide Grafton st is and look at the videos. It's maybe 20-25 agitators. the rest of the people aren't naive they are angry at the state's behaviour in the last year and protested within acceptable norms.


No cause should be derailed because of the actions of a few. This smear was tried during the water charges too , media/state tried to paint everybody with the same brush cos of the actions of a few...the irony that paul murphy was the lead cheerleader of violence then and now is lockstep behind government control of our lives. weird.

You say we are "naive" but I say what's naive is thinking the government will save you.
The people on PUP will be left to repay their debts alone if they have a job, people will mental issues and substance abuse issues will be left to pick up their lives alone, the missed or late cancer diagnosis people will suffer alone....I could spend all day going on about it.

flexcon wrote: »

I think in fairness the posters online were showing nothing but the Irish Flag,
Claiming to turn up to get back your country's democracy
The language issued on these posters is classic and sets it up to include "Scum"

I mean on one of the posters for the cork one it literally shows an Irish flag at a protest, and says "Bring cans for the day"

Christ. Maybe the "genuine" protesters need to realise what this is doing.

how many ? maybe 20 lads up top rowing with garda. Wasn't my scene and I think it sets the cause back because the talking point is about that.

But one thing about boards (and other people) really confuses me - some people just don't get the notion that a single issue protest will attract a huge variety of people who normally wouldn't be allies.

I'm not responsible for "the bring the cans" crowd. As I said on the restrictions thread - i am there to protest about restrictions and level 5. I don't care if Hitlers favourite German Shepard is speaking I'm there for one issue and I refuse to allow others (on any side btw ) dictate to me what is or is not important to me.

paw patrol

dan1895 wrote: »

Photos and videos is pretty good evidence actually.

few thousand people there on sat. you got a few photos up the front with the aggressive - then project that for the entire crowd.

bravo , you must write for the journal.

sydthebeat

blanch152 wrote: »

I tend to subscribe to the horseshoe theory of political systems.

Far-right and far-left are closer to each other than they are to the mainstream.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory#:~:text=In%20political%20science%20and%20popular,a%20horseshoe%20are%20close%20together.

100%

The authoritarian left is very close to the authoritarian right in its goals, even if the reasons to get there are different

Davaeo09

Howard Beale wrote: »

First thing there was no right wing extremist group behind the protest.

It's staggeringly easy to find out who was behind it yet even gardai bother instead run with 'far right' nonsense. Incredible.

The demonstration was organised by Rise up Eireann not a telegram group a very open facebook page anyone can view. The person most directly responsible (won't name them) is a young hippy lady who is not even Irish of middle Eastern descent and is the last person on Earth you could say is 'far right'. A spiritual hippy type who works as a meditation and yoga instructor always going on about love and hugging everyone. Her business is destroyed hence one of her reasons to protest. Far right extremist?? Gimme a break.


There were black/asian/ loads of Eastern European/ loads of Polish/Latvian/ loads of LGBT people (my sister front line worker who came to the demonstration with me recognized the gay fellas from their instagram make up channels) at it. One is a famous make up artist my social care worker sister follows.

The 'far right' gay and black fellas now?? That's the level of madness we are at here.


I spoke to black/gay/Asian/Latvian/Polish/Lithuanian and Hungarian people at it. All seriously effected by the lockdown. Financially and mentally. Many out of work depressed forlorn etc. Spoke to several who know people who have commit suicide recently.

This lockdown is destroying people.



Out of tens of thousands of people Marching against the most severe lockdown in the Western World that is crushing people mentally and financially the media focus on one idiot igniting a roman candle.

Not one media report showed the thousands marching O'Connell Street.

(Staggeringly the one lad who let off the roman candle was NOT arrested.


It never ever ceases to amaze people defend this government and WANT permanent lockdown describing anyone gay/lesbian/black/Asian etc who opposes lockdown as 'far right'

It's 'far right' to oppose tyranny now?

That's the level of brainwashing we are at now. It's incredible.

The level of mental gymnastics is astonishing. Belonging to a minority doesnt make you immediately left

As a gay kilkenny man I can say there are a fair share of right wing gay men.
Any one remember paddy on the late late saying why he is gay an doesnt agree with same sex marriage?

Leave out the sexual orientation aspect of your argument. It really comes across as a desperate attempt at calling for indemnity.

timmyntc

Maybe a certain right-wing group were behind the violence at the protest, but the protest itself was majority normal people against lockdown.

Or maybe its politically valuable to dismiss their legitimate grievances and only acknowledge the 20+ scrotes fighting with gardai?

dan1895

paw patrol wrote: »

few thousand people there on sat. you got a few photos up the front with the aggressive - then project that for the entire crowd.

bravo , you must write for the journal.

I did no such thing. Someone said there was no evidence of missiles being thrown at Gardai and I simply posted said evidence as did another poster.

biko

Clashes between anti-lockdowners and police is ongoing in many European cities. It was only a matter of time before it came here too.

Fabu - D was also at the protest .... right up at the front of it just before the main incident kicked off : https://fb.watch/3Yrg7srHjU/

Amazing all those "far right" people didn't kill him ....

dan1895

dan1895 wrote: »

For those looking for evidence of bottles/missile throwing.

Wow. One guy throwing a bottle, someone else throwing a deadly *checks notes* coffee cup, and assorted shots of littering I'm convinced ....

EmmetSpiceland

Are the posters claiming to have been there trying to distance themselves from the far-right rioters? Or are they just saying that the rioters aren’t far-right?

Should we be dividing up those present at the riot as far-right “trouble makers” and protesters protesting for their own selfish reasons?

No one has been unaffected by these lockdown measures. We are all in this together. The more we allow these far-right lunatic fringe to “demonstrate” on our streets the longer, potentially, the restrictions will continue.

I do understand that while we’re all in the same boat but some of us are “weathering” different storms. I, personally, am at home with kids in the house who aren’t back at school yet but I guess the fact that I actually like my partner, and my kids, means it’s not something I mind too much.

There was a lot of anger out there before the pandemic, it’s obvious to see that it’s only grown within that “cohort” now. The Gardaí need to be proactive and shutdown these ignorant thugs.

It's funny how some of the posters that are downplaying the far right angle could often be accused of holding far right views themselves...

Whatisthisnow

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

0.5/10

Very poor attempt at humour

Should have posted at 9 AM, then Whatisthisnow would be soundly tucked up in bed ....

There seems to be a great moral panic about these protests and about “far rightism” in general. Indicating perhaps that leftism has been absorbed into the establishment.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's funny how some of the posters that are downplaying the far right angle could often be accused of holding far right views themselves...

If you start crying wolf on the term “far right” then the numbers will just increase. Can’t the chumps protesting lockdowns not just be considered chumps protesting lockdowns. As I’ve said already most are probably SF voters, if they vote. Male, working class (most likely), 20-30, Dubliners.

Going forward, if there is any violence whatsoever at any protest, can we assume everyone in the protest supports it, are violent thugs and are "far left" or "far right" depending on the protest ? And talk about "riots" "thuggery" and "banning protests" (as various FG TDs have said).

Let's do that. Sounds like it would make for a very healthy society.

riffmongous

Deleted User wrote: »

It's funny how some of the posters that are downplaying the far right angle could often be accused of holding far right views themselves...

Haha, I was thinking if posters want to convince us there was no far right element there then maybe it's better they say they stayed away.

Howard Beale

Deleted User wrote: »

Fabu - D was also at the protest .... right up at the front of it just before the main incident kicked off : https://fb.watch/3Yrg7srHjU/

Amazing all those "far right" people didn't kill him ....

Guy is an idiot.

Though he makes good money being the stupid 'Black Paddy'

There was loads of real black protestors at it not this clown looking to boost his facebook views off the back of the protest.

riffmongous

riffmongous wrote: »

Haha, I was thinking if posters want to convince us there was no far right element there then maybe it's better they say they stayed away.

Of course there was a far right element - is anyone disputing that? The point is the vast majority of people there were not far right, and find their views abhorrent. Just because those assholes tried to hijack the protest doesn't mean it wasn't a valid protest. I said the exact same about the George Floyd protests and Antifa assholes.

Howard Beale

Howard Beale wrote: »

Guy is an idiot.

Though he makes good money being the stupid 'Black Paddy'

There was loads of real black protestors at it not this clown looking to boost his facebook views off the back of the protest.

Well more power to him. He seems to be doing well for himself, and he is actually funny.

Howard Beale

Davaeo09 wrote: »

The level of mental gymnastics is astonishing. Belonging to a minority doesnt make you immediately left

As a gay kilkenny man I can say there are a fair share of right wing gay men.
Any one remember paddy on the late late saying why he is gay an doesnt agree with same sex marriage?

Leave out the sexual orientation aspect of your argument. It really comes across as a desperate attempt at calling for indemnity.

I never once said being a minority makes you left LOL. Those are your words not mine.

My point being the gay/lesbian/trans protestors at the March are hardly 'right wing extremists' can we agree on that at least?

One fella was telling me his business is gone/destroyed doing make up for weddings and events. He can't pay his rent on €350 a week. Chap was on the verge of tears as his rent in arrears. The lockdown is destroying all businesses all livelihoods.




My reason for mentioning gay/lesbian/trans people at it is to highlight how incredibly absurd the whole 'far right' nonsense is. Unless you believe gay/lesbian/trans people are far right for protesting against lockdown?? LOL


Some are well known make up artists, they had the videos of marching up on their instagrams. Fair play to them

Kermit.de.frog

biko wrote: »

Clashes between anti-lockdowners and police is ongoing in many European cities. It was only a matter of time before it came here too.

No one holding down a job, particularly through PUP, with any common sense would want to find themselves pictured at such protests.

Which leads me to believe most there are either unemployable or unemployed.

Which is strange because they're the one group that has been minimally impacted. The post offices are still open, their income is still the same, they're standard of living either not changed or minimally affected compared to others.

I have no doubt some with good intentions get sucked in but for the most part it's just trouble makers and thugs who contribute nothing feigning grievance to justify acting the bollix, which wouldn't be unusual no matter what the situation.