Difference between People before Profit and Solidarity

padd b1975

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Apologies, hadn’t seen the latest on this.

Murphy left Solidarity to setup RISE, now RISE is becoming part of PBP which is part of ‘Solidarity-PBP’ which was previously AAA.

Makes sense.

Solidarity-PBP is just a marriage of convenience to get better speaking rights in the Dáil.
They pretty much just about tolerate each other outside of that.

Murphy hates Brid Smith for running against him in the European elections and splitting the vote.

Joe Higgins hates Richard Boyd Barrett for being to bourgeois.

Coppinger hates all white people.

They're a complete shambles.

Red Silurian

Same as the difference between FF and FG, same policies, same ****e bring spouted but with the impression of 2 parties instead of one

James Brown

biko wrote: »

Maybe one is more pro-Palestine than the other.

Simon Coveney is in FG. I'm sure a few FF'ers are decent too.

James Brown

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Apologies, hadn’t seen the latest on this.

Murphy left Solidarity to setup RISE, now RISE is becoming part of PBP which is part of ‘Solidarity-PBP’ which was previously AAA.

Makes sense.

He's been RISE over a year or so ago, maybe 2. I'm not sure you've researched this.

O'Neill

Love to know what on Earth is going on in PBPs new logo

Rodney Bathgate

James Brown wrote: »

He's been RISE over a year or so ago, maybe 2. I'm not sure you've researched this.

Point out the part that is incorrect please. What more should I ‘research’?

Smegging hell

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Is something stopping you creating one?

I was hoping one of their members would. Seeing them squabble over whether Barrett or McConnell should be Supreme Leader would give us some much needed levity.

Rodney Bathgate

Smegging hell wrote: »

I was hoping one of their members would. Seeing them squabble over whether Barrett or McConnell should be Supreme Leader would give us some much needed levity.

Why not start a thread then? Instead of trying to take this thread off topic?

cute geoge

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

As an aside, there seems to be a trend of politicians and Councillors getting elected as Social Democrats and then "jumping ship" within two years.

Social Democrats are a great springboard to election, but get dumped shortly afterwards.

I don't know about that .I am no fan the left but listening to week on politics Social Dem. Garry Gannon T.D. and Holly Cairns T.D. who impressed me and would be more then capable then some of the dim wits around the cabinet table

Seth Brundle

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Things you cannot be;

- A left wing fascist

"Don't you oppress me!"

Smegging hell

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Why not start a thread then? Instead of trying to take this thread off topic?

You're right, I shouldn't take the thread off topic by commenting about irrelevant micro-groups. My apologies.

Rodney Bathgate

Smegging hell wrote: »

You're right, I shouldn't take the thread off topic by commenting about irrelevant micro-groups. My apologies.

Touché

Annasopra

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

As an aside, there seems to be a trend of politicians and Councillors getting elected as Social Democrats and then "jumping ship" within two years.

Social Democrats are a great springboard to election, but get dumped shortly afterwards.

A trend? I can only think of 1 TD. Not really a trend.

Too many egos for one party. They all want to be leader.

Montage of Feck

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Read the core principles of National Bolshevism, and don't respond to me with something so stupid again.

Ok, I'm going to start my own party just to prove you wrong. So who up for joining the National Communist Party of Ireland?

Danzy

2lazytogetup wrote: »

Anyone know what the difference is between these 2 fringe parties in Ireland.

Paul Murphy has moved to PBP recently.

I checked their websites and I can't see any critical differences between the two parties.

Please no sarcastic responses such as critising the left

No real difference but the hatred between them can often be surprisingly intense.

Give it 2 years and they'll realign and hate those they like now and sing the Internationale with today's bitter rivals.

For Forks Sake

Deleted User wrote: »

Too many egos for one party. They all want to be leader.

As opposed to the Soc Dems, where nobody wants to be leader.

For Forks Sake

Smegging hell wrote: »

One difference would be that PBP support a border poll while the Socialist Party don't because they're worried it will alienate the Protestant working class. The fact the SP have next to no support in Protestant areas of the north doesn't make much difference.

Didn't PBP in NI back Brexit?

For Forks Sake

Normal One wrote: »

Looking forward to seeing them squeeze "PBP-RISE-SOLIDARITY-AAA-SOCIALIST PARTY" onto their posters come election time.

.anon.

2lazytogetup wrote: »

I checked their websites and I can't see any critical differences between the two parties.

Subtle differences, but mostly history, personalities and egos. Same as the differences between Fine Gael and Fianna Fail. To be fair to Paul Murphy, he has always seemed very amenable to the idea of left-wing groups co-operating with each other.

Smegging hell

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Didn't PBP in NI back Brexit?

Supported Brexit on left-wing grounds due to the neoliberal nature of the EU, but also oppose a right-wing Tory hard border, which has been an awkward circle for them to square for sure. Sinn Féin in west Belfast have been condemning them as no different from the DUP and UKIP, which is funny as FF and FG deployed the same criticism against SF during the Lisbon Treaties.

PBP have enjoyed modest success in the north regardless and have a few councillors in Belfast and Derry and an MLA in west Belfast. The Socialist Party have had less luck. They had a councillor elected in Enniskillen in 2019 but he left a few months later to form a new group, Militant Left, in a split completely different to the Paul Murphy one. So PBP have been growing while the SP has fractured in a way that invites the inevitable Monty Python jokes.

Polar101

I thought Solidarity is basically the Socialist Party, and PBP are the more radical leftists.

Then I read the wikipedia pages for the different groups, and now I'm confused.

ThunbergsAreGo

statesaver wrote: »

It's not a difference but both have a firm believe there is a magic money tree and it will pay for everything.

I think that's all parties now....

Wanderer78

ThunbergsAreGo wrote:

I think that's all parties now....

...only that money is actually magically created, on a daily basis, in both the public and private sectors, most in the private sector

ThunbergsAreGo

Wanderer78 wrote: »

...only that money is actually magically created, on a daily basis, in both the public and private sectors, most in the private sector

Then let's not knock PBP for it when all the others are the same

touts

Who gets to be leader is the primary difference between PBP& RISE (& Solidarity for that matter). The problem with socialists is they all think they know best for everyone else so they, and only they, should be the leader. Too many egos. Too few leader positions.

OneEightSeven

Marxism is like religion - it makes little sense, so they're always quarrelling over whose interpretation is the least unworkable and splinter off into different sects.

Wanderer78

OneEightSeven wrote: »

Marxism is like religion - it makes little sense, so they're always quarrelling over whose interpretation is the least unworkable and splinter off into different sects.

if Marxism is like religion, free market capitalism must be a cult!

Kiith

Basically pick the next "woke" topic, and all these parties will be supporting it right out of the gate.

Generally an easy way to spot parties that are a complete waste of time.

blanch152

.anon. wrote: »

To be fair to Paul Murphy, he has always seemed very amenable to the idea of left-wing groups co-operating with each other.

So long as it is under his leadership.