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Difference between People before Profit and Solidarity

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    #92
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ok, we're in agreement.




    Dublin City Council are (in Dublin), therefore the councillors are.



    Why didn't they vote against the proposition to lower property tax, then? They cut off their own funding. Do you want to know why they didn't? Because the homeless don't vote, homeowners do. Great socialisming, there.



    Fair enough, it's possible I forgot a fact I knew from six years ago.



    The heroic call for funding when they were cutting their own funding. They voted to remove a major source of revenue that could have gone to homeless services. Even if they couldn't win the vote, why didn't they kick up a fuss like they always do over everything?

    Oh, because of homeowning voters. Marx would be proud.


    It is amazing that some posters don't understand the link between the Council reducing property tax and thereby reducing income, and then not having enough funds for homeless projects. Stunning stuff.

    What is doubly staggering is that property taxes should be collected and used for housing!!!


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    #93
    James Brown
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    It is amazing that some posters don't understand the link between the Council reducing property tax and thereby reducing income, and then not having enough funds for homeless projects. Stunning stuff.

    What is doubly staggering is that property taxes should be collected and used for housing!!!

    Who are these posters? More made up stuff? Why create lies? I know it's easier to criticise comments you imagined, but it's kinda like arguing with yourself.
    As explained above it's linking a 15% lowering of LPT to cutting off or removing 100% of homeless/housing funding. Can you elaborate?

    So now you don't think it should/would have had any affect on homeless funding?


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    #94
    [Deleted User]
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    James Brown wrote: »
    Who are these posters? More made up stuff? Why create lies? I know it's easier to criticise comments you imagined, but it's kinda like arguing with yourself.
    As explained above it's linking a 15% lowering of LPT to cutting off or removing 100% of homeless/housing funding. Can you elaborate?

    So now you don't think it should/would have had any affect on homeless funding?

    We can't say how much that 15% would have gone to homeless services, but it was probably non zero and probably not the full 15% right? They are the ones in control of the budget and there was a homeless crisis.

    All they had to do was vote no and claim that some of that money could be used for homeless services. Why is that part so hard to get? They didn't do that, they bought votes instead.


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    #95
    James Brown
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    We can't say how much that 15% would have gone to homeless services, but it was probably non zero and probably not the full 15% right? They are the ones in control of the budget and there was a homeless crisis.

    All they had to do was vote no and claim that some of that money could be used for homeless services. Why is that part so hard to get? They didn't do that, they bought votes instead.

    Yeah, if any.
    Local Property Tax allocations paid from the Local Government Fund help fund essential local services such as, public parks; libraries; open spaces and leisure amenities; planning and development; fire and emergency services; maintenance and cleaning of streets and street lighting – all benefitting citizens directly.

    It certainly wouldn't amount to the removal of all homelessness/housing funding.

    You are making a lot of leaps here and now asking why it's hard to make the same leaps like they are obvious.
    We don't know how much if any of the 15% was earmarked for homelessness. It did indeed hit DCC revenue, but again we don't know how much of it if at all was towards homelessness funding.

    We know they lowered LPT by 15%.
    We know they requested money from the Dept. of Environment to help fund homelessness services.
    That's all.


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    #96
    mariaalice
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    You dont see many Irish republican socialists or the mix of old-style Irish nationalism and socialism much anymore.


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    #97
    [Deleted User]
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    James Brown wrote: »
    Yeah, if any.



    It certainly wouldn't amount to the removal of all homelessness/housing funding.

    You are making a lot of leaps here and now asking why it's hard to make the same leaps like they are obvious.
    We don't know how much if any of the 15% was earmarked for homelessness. It did indeed hit DCC revenue, but again we don't know how much of it if at all was towards homelessness funding.

    We know they lowered LPT by 15%.
    We know they requested money from the Dept. of Environment to help fund homelessness services.
    That's all.

    Ok, you're just being ridiculous now. Conversation over.


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    #98
    [Deleted User]
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    mariaalice wrote: »
    You dont see many Irish republican socialists or the mix of old-style Irish nationalism and socialism much anymore.

    Sinn Fein?


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    #99
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ok, you're just being ridiculous now. Conversation over.

    You suggested DCC lowering LPT 15% had a detrimental effect on funding for tackling homelessness. We don't know how much if any might have gone to that end.
    Again, PBP had 5 seats and Solidarity 0. Also this was 2015.
    Conversation over.


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    #100
    Danzy
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Sinn Fein?

    Steadily being forced out.


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    #101
    [Deleted User]
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    Danzy wrote: »
    Steadily being forced out.

    So what economic stance does the party take now?


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    #102
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Ahhh they are funny. The problem most of them have is that their ideology has to be pure and uncompromised. To get things done in government you have to compromise so they couldn't be effective in government. At least not without shedding half of their membership. Besides to actually get into government they would have talk to some other parties and that won't happen either.

    Ironically they could only rule in a totalitarian system where those who disagree can be re-educated. In a democratic state they remain well paid Dail debating society.


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    #103
    AllForIt
    Registered Users Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    It's scary to think there are competing versions of socialism.


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    #104
    biko
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    Well, there are nuances of course but as Lenin said "The goal of socialism is communism."
    There are probably plenty Irish that agrees with that.


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    #105
    AllForIt
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    biko wrote: »
    Well, there are nuances of course but as Lenin said "The goal of socialism is communism."
    There are probably plenty Irish that agrees with that.

    No I totally agree. It's all a mater of who is in charge when communism prevails.


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    #106
    For Forks Sake
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    So what economic stance does the party take now?

    Whatever falls into Pearce Dohertys head of a morning


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    #107
    freshpopcorn
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    I Googled Paul Murphy there and was shocked to find out he’s only 37!


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    #108
    O'Neill
    Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭O'Neill


    Eamonn McCann to step down from politics due to health

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-56244874

    Very sad to hear, regardless of your views on PBP or whatever he was a huge figure up here.


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    #109
    [Deleted User]
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    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    I Googled Paul Murphy there and was shocked to find out he’s only 37!

    And never did a days work in his life!


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    #110
    blanch152
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    We can't say how much that 15% would have gone to homeless services, but it was probably non zero and probably not the full 15% right? They are the ones in control of the budget and there was a homeless crisis.

    All they had to do was vote no and claim that some of that money could be used for homeless services. Why is that part so hard to get? They didn't do that, they bought votes instead.

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/belfast-council-agrees-on-a-rates-rise-of-192-for-coming-year-40147398.html

    Amazingly, even Belfast City Council is able to increase the amount that householders pay, yet somehow the likes of Sinn Fein and PBP who operate on a 32-county basis can't do so down here.


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