Gordon Elliott

but1er

Davy Russell to take out trainers licence and run the horses for him.

Kauto

Dodge wrote: »

It’s always the whistleblowers fault...

It wasn't for the good of the sport so in this instance, yes it is the whistleblowers fault.

jakiah

Kauto wrote: »

It wasn't for the good of the sport so in this instance, yes it is the whistleblowers fault.

That's some hot take. Do you think Elliot has any responsibility here?

Kauto

wardides wrote: »

Assuming you're hinting that this was leaked by KH. I don't think she would do so, far too engrained in the sport.

I don't know who leaked it... I'm sure it will become public knowledge soon enough.
I'm sure whoever released it probably didn't realise how much damage this would do.

lemush

wardides wrote: »

Assuming you're hinting that this was leaked by KH. I don't think she would do so, far too engrained in the sport.

Agreed

Kauto

jakiah wrote: »

That's some hot take. Do you think Elliot has any responsibility here?

Obviously. A moment of madness. I don't like the guy but he is going to pay a severe price for something that happened a long time ago.

Dwarf.Shortage

Kauto wrote: »

Obviously. A moment of madness. I don't like the guy but he is going to pay a severe price for something that happened a long time ago.

In the absence of any real reason to think he has changed it doesn’t matter that it’s from 2019. It’s not like he was a child when it happened.

jakiah

Kauto wrote: »

Obviously. A moment of madness. I don't like the guy but he is going to pay a severe price for something that happened a long time ago.

It happened in 2019, not 1961.

Raisins

Kauto wrote: »

Whoever released the photo(seems to be the same name going round) has damaged the sport immensely of which they are a part off.

I highly doubt he/she will be well received over the coming months and I'd say her mother is fuming!! Put a lot of jobs at risk.

It’s not the person who released the photo’s fault.

Kauto

Raisins wrote: »

It’s not the person who released the photo’s fault.

It 100% is. It was not done out of concern for the animal.

Kauto

Gigginstown just released statement saying they are sticking by him. Fair play to Mick.

Coybig_

Kauto wrote: »

It 100% is. It was not done out of concern for the animal.

A crazy way of looking at things.

Dodge

Kauto wrote: »

It 100% is. It was not done out of concern for the animal.

Where as sitting on it while you’re on the phone was?

See we can all use spurious logic...

realdanbreen

Sean Worried Memory wrote: »

The fact that he is posing with a big gurn on his face, and the fact that the picture is captioned with a joke.

So yes, posing and joking.

You think he put the caption on the photo?
You really do don't you!:rolleyes:

The Hoarse Whisperer

Kauto wrote: »

Gigginstown just released statement saying they are sticking by him. Fair play to Mick.

Was their horse apparently

wardides

realdanbreen wrote: »

You think he put the caption on the photo?
You really do don't you!:rolleyes:

In fairness he's not exactly stricken with grief. Not that i'd expect him to, horses passing away isn't exactly rare.

Does say a bit about the culture in the yard though, if a worker thought it would be funny to take a picture of it, and even more so that Gordon thought it funny enough to pose.

realdanbreen

realdanbreen wrote: »

You think he put the caption on the photo?
You really do don't you!:rolleyes:

It was one of his staff. Everyone was having a laugh.

jakiah

realdanbreen wrote: »

You think he put the caption on the photo?
You really do don't you!:rolleyes:

The fact that someone else in the yard took it and also thinks its a lark surely makes it worse? That points to the general attitude of the yard being one of disrespect toward the animal, rather than a 'moment of madness' by one individual.

Some of you lads would be best placed saying nothing at all.

realdanbreen

Sean Worried Memory wrote: »

It was one of his staff. Everyone was having a laugh.

Wow! So now you know that 'everyone was having a laugh'
Good job you're not into spreading gossip !

Plasandrunt

jakiah wrote: »

The fact that someone else in the yard took it and also thinks its a lark surely makes it worse? That points to the general attitude of the yard being one of disrespect toward the animal, rather than a 'moment of madness' by one individual.

Some of you lads would be best placed saying nothing at all.

Have you just set up an account today to come onto a horse racing forum and stick the boots to the sport?

Surely there's somewhere else where you can do that?

posturingpat

Kauto wrote: »

It 100% is. It was not done out of concern for the animal.

What planet are you living on? 100% the whistleblowers fault? How can any person come to that conclusion? Really? Gordon Elliott wouldn't even say that.

posturingpat

Plasandrunt wrote: »

Have you just set up an account today to come onto a horse racing forum and stick the boots to the sport?

Surely there's somewhere else where you can do that?

He has a fair point though.

realdanbreen

jakiah wrote: »

The fact that someone else in the yard took it and also thinks its a lark surely makes it worse? That points to the general attitude of the yard being one of disrespect toward the animal, rather than a 'moment of madness' by one individual.

Some of you lads would be best placed saying nothing at all.

Were you ever in a horse trainers yard?

irish_major

I'm shocked at how shocked people are that Gordon Elliot could do such a thing!

Surrounded by scumbags, clearly a dubious character himself and the videos that have circulated in recent weeks from his yard bar show a man who thinks he's untouchable. Hopefully he gets a hefty suspension for the trouble this will cause the wider racing community. ****ing idiot

Raisins

People arguing that it’s not a big deal because the horse was dead or that it’s the person who leaked the photos fault would want to get real.

Inappropriate pictures / chats that end up on WhatsApp and bring a sport into disrepute can destroy a sportspersons career. Paddy Jackson learned that lesson.

Smiling and sitting on a dead horse lying on the gallops while making a peace sign to camera. What an idiot.

posturingpat

irish_major wrote: »

I'm shocked at how shocked people are that Gordon Elliot could do such a thing!

Surrounded by scumbags, clearly a dubious character himself and the videos that have circulated in recent weeks from his yard bar show a man who thinks he's untouchable. Hopefully he gets a hefty suspension for the trouble this will cause the wider racing community. ****ing idiot

Has it not been confirmed that video is from a year or 2 back and not when it was claimed? Surrounded by what scumbags?
You're surprised were shocked? Do you think we follow the sport expecting the animals to get treated with no respect? I for one certainly dont. From my little experience any horse I've been involved with or yard I've visited(including Gordons) it's always been a case of horse is number one and respect is important in life and death. This goes totally against that. So being shocked is not ridiculous.

irish_major

posturingpat wrote: »

Has it not been confirmed that video is from a year or 2 back and not when it was claimed? Surrounded by what scumbags?
You're surprised were shocked? Do you think we follow the sport expecting the animals to get treated with no respect? I for one certainly dont. From my little experience any horse I've been involved with or yard I've visited(including Gordons) it's always been a case of horse is number one and respect is important in life and death. This goes totally against that. So being shocked is not ridiculous.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/ninety-per-cent-of-cheltenham-winning-horse-bought-with-proceeds-of-crime-court-1.4063092

mobby

irish_major wrote: »

I'm shocked at how shocked people are that Gordon Elliot could do such a thing!

Surrounded by scumbags, clearly a dubious character himself and the videos that have circulated in recent weeks from his yard bar show a man who thinks he's untouchable. Hopefully he gets a hefty suspension for the trouble this will cause the wider racing community. ****ing idiot

This 100%. A disgusting photograph that shows his true colours.

Only sorry now because he was caught out.

Anyone says sure its just a death horse is as bad.

Hopefully karma will get him in the end.

Francie Barrett

Twitter didn't take long to react.

https://twitter.com/gordondeadhorse

lemush

irish_major wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/ninety-per-cent-of-cheltenham-winning-horse-bought-with-proceeds-of-crime-court-1.4063092

What the **** has that got to do with anything?

irish_major

lemush wrote: »

What the **** has that got to do with anything?

Oh not much other than he part owned a horse with a convicted drug dealer

posturingpat

irish_major wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/ninety-per-cent-of-cheltenham-winning-horse-bought-with-proceeds-of-crime-court-1.4063092

Surrounded by scumbags? We all know about Labaik for **** sake. How is that "surrounded" he has hundreds of horses in training every year for decent people like myself, other people on here and other regular Joe soaps.

EICVD

irish_major wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/ninety-per-cent-of-cheltenham-winning-horse-bought-with-proceeds-of-crime-court-1.4063092

So that’s one person, care to post articles of all the other ‘scumbags’ he’s surrounded by?

Francie Barrett

What Elliott did is pretty awful, and reflects the type of ignorant person that he portrays. At the same time, he hasn't really done much wrong here. The horse died, he sat on it, even for him, I doubt he did it as a joke. It was likely just a spur of the moment thing that looks worse than what it is. To suggest he should be banned is ridiculous.

Motivator

EICVD wrote: »

So that’s one person, care to post articles of all the other ‘scumbags’ he’s surrounded by?

If you’ve ever been at a racecourse and you have a pair of eyes, you wouldn’t need to ask who he’s referring to in fairness.

On balance, I think this should be the end of his career, he obviously has no real regard for horses with an attitude like this. It's sad that the gambling addicts can't see this.

jakiah

lemush wrote: »

What the **** has that got to do with anything?

You can expect everyone who is anti-racing to be all over this, its a disaster. Hopefully the sport we all enjoy will handle the PR better than the wagon-circling exercise from connections we've seen so far on here (it's fake, it's no big deal, its the person who took the pictures fault, his apology was heartfelt (!), attacking anyone who finds this distasteful etc.)

Hoboo

jakiah wrote: »

The fact that someone else in the yard took it and also thinks its a lark surely makes it worse? That points to the general attitude of the yard being one of disrespect toward the animal, rather than a 'moment of madness' by one individual.

Some of you lads would be best placed saying nothing at all.

Exactly this. As the leader he sets the culture and what is acceptable behaviour. The others present also find it acceptable. This is not a once off that happened to be photographed

Dodge

Francie Barrett wrote: »

What Elliott did is pretty awful, and reflects the type of ignorant person that he portrays. At the same time, he hasn't really done much wrong here. The horse died, he sat on it, even for him, I doubt he did it as a joke. It was likely just a spur of the moment thing that looks worse than what it is. To suggest he should be banned is ridiculous.

Might be the quickest flip flop I’ve ever seen

EICVD

Motivator wrote: »

If you’ve ever been at a racecourse and you have a pair of eyes, you wouldn’t need to ask who he’s referring to in fairness.

Plenty of times, so the plane man? Hardly in the same bracket as a drug dealer. Or is there someone I just haven’t a clue who they are?

eastie17

Statement was stupid regarding why he sat on it and all that, you cant explain the unexplainable. Should have just apologised and left it at that. The news cycle will move on and it'll blow over, once his owners dont pull yard, which most wont, then its somewhat irrelevant in the perspective of it causing him any damage or their being some retribution.

EICVD

[Deleted User] wrote: »

On balance, I think this should be the end of his career, he obviously has no real regard for horses with an attitude like this. It's sad that the gambling addicts can't see this.

You do know not everyone interested in racing is a gambler at all never mind an addict

posturingpat

Motivator wrote: »

If you’ve ever been at a racecourse and you have a pair of eyes, you wouldn’t need to ask who he’s referring to in fairness.

I had a chat with him and the Pipes at a racecourse a while back. Are they scumbags?

Francie Barrett

Dodge wrote: »

Might be the quickest flip flop I’ve ever seen

I meant what he did was disrespectful.

But unless it can be shown animals under his care are subject to cruelty, I don't see why he should be banned.

posturingpat

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I meant what he did was disrespectful.

But unless it can be shown animals under his care are subject to cruelty, I don't see why he should be banned.

You can get banned for doing anything that can damage the image of the sport. Maybe that's only in British rules though. If he doesn't get one the BHA will ban him from there.

jakiah

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I meant what he did was disrespectful.

But unless it can be shown animals under his care are subject to cruelty, I don't see why he should be banned.

If you cant see why posing sitting gurning for a jokey picture on the carcass of an animal you've just worked to death for sport wouldn't be perceived as cruel, then I don't know what to tell you.

If someone prominent in the meat industry was pictured taking the piss with the carcasses of slaughtered beef coming off the line in a slaughterhouse they'd be sacked.

The Tetrarch

jakiah wrote: »

Elliot worked this horse to death.

Do you have any facts to support that?

Itziger

The Tetrarch wrote: »

Do you have any facts to support that?

Well............

The Tetrarch

jakiah wrote: »

an animal you've just worked to death for sport

Can support that claim with facts?

jakiah

The Tetrarch wrote: »

Do you have any facts to support that?

Not sure this is a serious question. What do you think Horse Racing is? The horse died on the gallops, training to win races. That's the context the outsider sees this in.