Gordon Elliott photograph

odyssey06

wicklowstevo wrote: »

again see above
the phrase horse people is a defining factor here .
this isn't the pony club with a load of teenage girls plating there manes because they like the image
people who spend 24 7 with horses and other animals all seem to have similar views and statements on this
but then what would they know ...

Do they?
*citation needed*

WTF the pony club has to do with anything only you seem to know.

And again, see above, I was responding to a post that claimed "horse people love horses".
Which I challenged.
You seem to be saying the same thing? How about replying to that post?

celt262

BringBackMick wrote: »

Give this chap a break I say.

It was a stupid situation and picture but by god there are more important things to deal with.

The animal was dead, ....do people know what happens next for the carcass? Yeah...you don't want to see it.

There is more outrage about this than the poor lad was was butchered up in drogheda.

wicklowstevo

buried wrote: »

The whole industry relies on ordinary people, a lot of them with pets at home, the same sort of ordinary people who place bets and watch the industries races. Races where at the end of them in the winners paddock, trainers like Elliot will talk and treat these animals, not only like they were a pet but as if the animal were as adored akin to a Golden God. That's what your public sees, that's what your industry conveys to the cameras, the wider public who fund your business. So don't be surprised or act bamboozled to discover the ordinary people ain't going to like it or start asking questions when seeing a trainer/owner/jockey sitting on top of a dead horse as they smile, laugh and give the two finger victory sign whilst on the phone.

there are many great racing documentary's out there

if you cant get you information first had I suggest you watch some of them

laughing smiling and giving a victory sign ?

you think that's what he was doing really ?

buried

wicklowstevo wrote: »

there are many great racing documentary's out there

if you cant get you information first had I suggest you watch some of them

laughing smiling and giving a victory sign ?

you think that's what he was doing really ?

That's exactly what he is doing on the picture. What do you think he was doing? Giving it the last rites because he couldn't get through to the priest on the phone?

wicklowstevo

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Not true. I had an ex point to point horse that I used for minor show jumping and dressage for many years. Many others have done this too there is an organisation called Race Horse to Riding horse that promotes this.
I would never dispute that the winning race horses are treated like royalty. However, they are in the minority. Brood mares are pregnant year in year out producing foals that are raced as yearlings or two year olds, you'd be familiar with the races. Their backs aren't fully grown and get irrevocably damaged by being ridden too young. The ones that fail, which is the vast majority are shipped to the knackers yard, terrified, and killed there. The race yards for the most part wouldn't spend the money on the bullet. They certainly are not going to spend money on feed and shelter for horses that wont be winning or breeding. That is a small bit of the unpalatable story regarding horses. Trainers say they love horses, they actually love the buzz of the race and the money that goes with it.

you used a Thoroughbred race horse for show jumping did you ? coz a point to pointer isn't the same thing by a country mile, if you are involved with horses you should know that ,
Spending money on bullets ? are you for real ? i remember "humane" animal killers when i was a youngster but these days its a well qualified vet and a injection
what else are you saying isn't true ?

anewme

anewme wrote: »

Sorry, it's not social media backlash.

Its backlash in the mainstream media-especially from those in the industry.

People understand kindness, respect, integrity. They are values not unique to any industry, class or profession. Dont try to belittle people by saying they dont understand these core values; they do, that's what is at the crux of this.

a lot of people are far more worried about this image damaging the amount of money going around in the "sport" than their concern for an animal carcass photo with a man doing something silly, notwithstanding the fact there is no suggestion that this animal died due to any mistreatment

hopefully some good might come of this incident and the media might start looking more at the real issues to do with horse-racing

-> quasi-slave labour stable workers

-> all the money in the "sport" coming from regimes like the Saudis where they think nothing of starving millions in the Yemen, murdering journalists, beheading people. plenty of criminal connections also

-> race-fixing - still endemic

-> the horse-racing betting industry as a whole - an industry where over 80% of profits come from 2% of punters - families dealing with absolute misery and token gestures only made

-> the real animal welfare issues

wicklowstevo

anewme wrote: »

Sorry, it's not social media backlash.

Its backlash in the mainstream media-especially from those in the industry.

People understand kindness, respect, integrity. They are values not unique to any industry, class or profession. Dont try to belittle people by saying they dont understand these core values; they do, that's what is at the crux of this.

you know you are actually on social media right now ,

apparently the image is from snapchat
shared on Facebook

again look to the people who live and work with horses if you don't yourself for information

wicklowstevo

Deleted User wrote: »

I know I would love them and I would want those caring for them to treat them with dignity and kindness.

invest away there are many fine charities who work closely with the equine industry

i can suggest a few if you like

wicklowstevo

buried wrote: »

That's exactly what he is doing on the picture. What do you think he was doing? Giving it the last rites because he couldn't get through to the priest on the phone?

so your an eyewitness then and know exactly not just what happened but also what was in the mans head at the moment the picture was taken !!!!

amazing

anewme

wicklowstevo wrote: »

you know you are actually on social media right now ,

apparently the image is from snapchat
shared on Facebook

again look to the people who live and work with horses if you don't yourself for information

This story is broadcast across mainstream media as far away as Australia.

The - you dont understand as you are not a horsey person is the exact egotistical superior belief that got him into trouble in the first instance.

People understand a lot more than you are giving them credit for.

odyssey06

wicklowstevo wrote: »

so your an eyewitness then and know exactly not just what happened but also what was in the mans head at the moment the picture was taken !!!! amazing

I believe senior figures in the horse racing industry are lining up to be photographed sitting on dead horses to show how misunderstood Elliott's actions are and how the ordinary joe public can never understand what goes on in a horse racing mans head when faced when a dead horse.

Amazing you think this post does anything for whatever cause you think you're defending here,

wicklowstevo

anewme wrote: »

This story is broadcast across mainstream media as far away as Australia.

The - you dont understand as you are not a horsey person is the exact egotistical superior belief that got him into trouble in the first instance.

People understand a lot more than you are giving them credit for.

I know very little about F1 or sheep farming so i rarly talk about them

people let their emotional response and social media mob mentality peer pressure them into voicing opinions which is fair enough .

that doesn't mean that there are right or valid opinions and still the demand that every one who ever went to a point to point condemn something they don't have any experience or involvement in,

next thing you know it will be one of those facebook profile covers :rolleyes::rolleyes:

wicklowstevo

odyssey06 wrote: »

I believe senior figures in the horse racing industry are lining up to be photographed sitting on dead horses to show how misunderstood Elliott's actions are and how the ordinary joe public can never understand what goes on in a horse racing mans head when faced when a dead horse.

Amazing you think this post does anything for whatever cause you think you're defending here,

i was just responding to the incredible mind reading abilities you claim

hang on i want to try something


im thinking of a number between one and a million . what is it ??

buried

wicklowstevo wrote: »

so your an eyewitness then and know exactly not just what happened but also what was in the mans head at the moment the picture was taken !!!!

amazing

Go on then, you tell me and everybody else what happened so? What exactly was he doing?

anewme

wicklowstevo wrote: »

I know very little about F1 or sheep farming so i rarly talk about them

people let their emotional response and social media mob mentality peer pressure them into voicing opinions which is fair enough .

that doesn't mean that there are right or valid opinions and still the demand that every one who ever went to a point to point condemn something they don't have any experience or involvement in,

next thing you know it will be one of those facebook profile covers :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I said before, integrity and respect are at the core of everything from F1 to sheep farming.

Discounting people having a basic moral compass is where you are going wrong here.

4Ad

As a person who hasn't eaten meat or fish for 31 years for animal rights issues, I really do think this is really being blown out of proportion, the poor horse was dead.

Now Foie Gras, thats something to get my blood boiling...

wicklowstevo

buried wrote: »

Go on then, you tell me and everybody else what happened so? What exactly was he doing?

how the hell would i know i wasn't there ? I certainly don't know what he was thinking


then again im not claiming that i do like some

wicklowstevo

anewme wrote: »

I said before, integrity and respect are at the core of everything from F1 to sheep farming.

Discounting people having a basic moral compass is where you are going wrong here.

do you eat meat ? drink milk ? wear any fabric or substance that comes from a animal ? use any product that is unethical ?


where is your integrity and respect for the animals involved

just because a graphic image grabs media attention for a week does not justify destroying the lives of many people

buried

wicklowstevo wrote: »

how the hell would i know i wasn't there ? I certainly don't know what he was thinking


then again im not claiming that i do like some

But if the man truly loves the animals he trains, like he proclaims everytime he gets into the winners paddock, proclaims the same sort of love you would unleash on your own mother, how do you think its going to look when he sits his own arse on top of one of these beloved creatures,smiling on his phone just after the poor beloved animal has died, dead from exhaustion galloping around his property? Would you do that? Honestly, would you? You are in the industry, so what do you think you would do?

odyssey06

wicklowstevo wrote: »

do you eat meat ? drink milk ? wear any fabric or substance that comes from a animal ? use any product that is unethical ?
where is your integrity and respect for the animals involved
just because a graphic image grabs media attention for a week does not justify destroying the lives of many people

What was wrong with hin sitting on the dead horse. You accept it was wrong? Why?

Do the farmers sit on dead cows for the craic too?
I think if footage came out from an abbatoir of workers having craic with dead animals there would be backlash also.

A graphic image of someone bringing their occupation into disrepute has professional consequences.
All the more reason not to engage in such behaviour.

anewme

odyssey06 wrote: »

What was wrong with hin sitting on the dead horse. You accept it was wrong? Why?

Do the farmers sit on dead cows for the craic too?
I think if footage came out from an abbatoir of workers having craic with dead animals there would be backlash also.

A graphic image of someone bringing their occupation into disrepute has professional consequences.
All the more reason not to engage in such behaviour.

Huge backlash a couple of years ago. Bernard matthews workers beating chickens with baseball bats.

wicklowstevo

buried wrote: »

But if the man truly loves the animals he trains, like he proclaims everytime he gets into the winners paddock, proclaims the same sort of love you would unleash on your own mother, how do you think its going to look when he sits his own arse on top of one of these beloved creatures,smiling on his phone just after the poor beloved animal has died, dead from exhaustion galloping around his property? Would you do that? Honestly, would you? You are in the industry, so what do you think you would do?

talk about sensational language , you should write for the daily mail

is there information as to how or why the horse died ? I haven't seen that , may is see a link to that information ?

your obviously very upset so I wont bother pointing out again the post where I said I don't know what was in his head . but like another poster said you wouldn't like what happens removing the animal and later on

anewme

wicklowstevo wrote: »

do you eat meat ? drink milk ? wear any fabric or substance that comes from a animal ? use any product that is unethical ?


where is your integrity and respect for the animals involved

just because a graphic image grabs media attention for a week does not justify destroying the lives of many people

I don’t use animal products.

I eat eggs - friend has rescue hens.

But I am not basing that as the core of the argument against this behaviour.

4Ad

4Ad wrote: »

As a person who hasn't eaten meat or fish for 31 years for animal rights issues, I really do think this is really being blown out of proportion, the poor horse was dead.

Now Foie Gras, thats something to get my blood boiling...

And lobsters.

wicklowstevo

odyssey06 wrote: »

What was wrong with hin sitting on the dead horse. You accept it was wrong? Why?

Do the farmers sit on dead cows for the craic too?
I think if footage came out from an abbatoir of workers having craic with dead animals there would be backlash also.

A graphic image of someone bringing their occupation into disrepute has professional consequences.
All the more reason not to engage in such behaviour.

ever been on the killing floor of a meat factory odyssey ? ever worked on a farm or with large animals ? had to move and dispose of animals ?

I understand your upset but don't target me with your anger there are plenty of animals charities that can educate you

fryup

so let me get this straight...he did the dirty on his wife with a member of staff...wife confronts said member of staff a fight entails and GE gets a great giggle out of it...

...wife gets own back by posting pic

so is this true or just salacious gossip spread on social media??

Feisar

4Ad wrote: »

As a person who hasn't eaten meat or fish for 31 years for animal rights issues, I really do think this is really being blown out of proportion, the poor horse was dead.

Now Foie Gras, thats something to get my blood boiling...

Sick on another level.

buried

wicklowstevo wrote: »

talk about sensational language , you should write for the daily mail

is there information as to how or why the horse died ? I haven't seen that , may is see a link to that information ?

your obviously very upset so I wont bother pointing out again the post where I said I don't know what was in his head . but like another poster said you wouldn't like what happens removing the animal and later on

I'm not upset in the slightest stevo, I'm delighted this lad has shown up the hypocritical and parasitical industry you are involved with.

The horse died on the gallops, that is common knowledge, now unless 'the gallops' mean a horse pub or a hotel, I'm going to take it, that the term means the training ground you run the animal as fast as it can go? Or maybe with your vast knowledge you can enlighten us just actually what it is?

wicklowstevo

anewme wrote: »

I don’t use animal products.

I eat eggs - friend has rescue hens.

But I am not basing that as the core of the argument against this behaviour.

your friend has rescue hens eh ? you must be well versed in large domestic animals

don't feel bad for eating the hen babies ?

you could get your protein elsewhere surely

no animal products at all ? you must live a very spartan life indeed

anewme

fryup wrote: »

so let me get this straight...he did the dirty on his wife with a member of staff...wife confronts said member of staff a fight entails and GE gets a great giggle out of it...

...wife gets own back by posting pic

so is this true or just salacious gossip spread on social media??

Put it this way, in other breaking news on social media, if you ordered a cabinet on Wayfair, a child was sent through the the internet.