2021 Irish EV sales

KCross

idc wrote: »

Just curious what is it that has pushed VW so high in the numbers versus say PSA group. Is the ID 3 a much better car than e208 ?

Which car is better can be subjective but I’d say the main reason is that VW are committed and are actively pushing the sales of their EVs.

Black_Knight

E208 isn't a platform up EV so doesn't have some of the benifits pure EVs get, and yeah, Peugeot aren't marketing then as much.

The big range (km) from VW and the size of their cars are much more appealing. Id3 is much more practical compared to the e208, and the ID4 pretty much has no competition .... Yet. Closest by size in that price range is the eniro, which is a decent size, but the id4 is far more practical.

eagerv

idc wrote: »

Just curious what is it that has pushed VW so high in the numbers versus say PSA group. Is the ID 3 a much better car than e208 ?

Totally different car segment, like comparing a Fiesta to a Focus.


Also the ID.3 has a bigger battery and more performance with RWD .Price wise the ID.3 starts at about the price of a high end e208 and while the spec is often complained about here, is sufficient for many.


Our neighbours have taken an interest in EVs after seeing our 2 in action and have ordered an e208. Like many retired people they only need two seats and found the ID.3 a little too big. Looking forward to seeing it next week, they got the included home charge point fitted last week.

Jizique

idc wrote: »

Just curious what is it that has pushed VW so high in the numbers versus say PSA group. Is the ID 3 a much better car than e208 ?

VW are desperate to sell enough EVs that will allow them to avoid fines while 95% of their sales are ICE, esp the Tiguan, which is massively profitable; PSA has less need to sell EVs as it has a lower starting carbon footprint and doesn’t have big-engined Porsche, Audi and Lambos to offse.

Jizique

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

It's interesting because you can tell the volume runners are companies that have thrown their weight behind EVs

Tesla, fairly obvious
VW, 2 factories in Europe flat out producing EVs, another being converted, another planned to be converted
Etc

Which are the 2 VW factories, Zwickau and.....

the_amazing_raisin

idc wrote: »

Just curious what is it that has pushed VW so high in the numbers versus say PSA group. Is the ID 3 a much better car than e208 ?

I imagine the fact that there's something like €7k difference between the petrol and electric versions of the 208 makes a big difference

The ID.3 isn't cheap, but neither is the Golf so it creates a more even footing

the_amazing_raisin

Jizique wrote: »

Which are the 2 VW factories, Zwickau and.....

Dresden, which is admittedly limited production. It's the glass factory where they do the tours

Emden is the next plant being converted, if think it's slated to build the ID.3 and 4 and the derivatives

I think Hannover is next, that'll be building the ID.Buzz van and the Space Vizzion if it gets built

There's also a factory in the US (Chattanooga, Tennessee) which is going to be building the ID.4 from next year, plus 2 more factories in China which are joint ventures with JAC and FAIC I think

Finally, VW are also building 6 battery plants around Europe, a combination of VW factories and partnerships with other companies

Robotfarmer

You can really see the ID4'S on the road over the past month. Are there plans for more charging stations planned for motorways and smaller towns. With the growth in EV's, we will all be in a queue to charge.

Where can we find EV stations currently in build?

AC chargers won't cut the mustard.

Black_Knight

Robotfarmer wrote: »

You can really see the ID4'S on the road over the past month. Are there plans for more charging stations planned for motorways and smaller towns. With the growth in EV's, we will all be in a queue to charge.

Where can we find EV stations currently in build?

AC chargers won't cut the mustard.

Ask ecars nicely they might tell you, but as far as I know the old one bring built right now is Mayfield hub (4 units, max of 8 cars). Due in June/July last I heard

Jizique

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Dresden, which is admittedly limited production. It's the glass factory where they do the tours

Emden is the next plant being converted, if think it's slated to build the ID.3 and 4 and the derivatives

I think Hannover is next, that'll be building the ID.Buzz van and the Space Vizzion if it gets built

There's also a factory in the US (Chattanooga, Tennessee) which is going to be building the ID.4 from next year, plus 2 more factories in China which are joint ventures with JAC and FAIC I think

Finally, VW are also building 6 battery plants around Europe, a combination of VW factories and partnerships with other companies

Don’t think Demand will be high enough for the existing models to be built in Emden as well; the US production of ID4 will be fairly limited, sub 20k out of a factory will capacity of 250k; the Atlas will remain the big product there

the_amazing_raisin

Jizique wrote: »

Don’t think Demand will be high enough for the existing models to be built in Emden as well; the US production of ID4 will be fairly limited, sub 20k out of a factory will capacity of 250k; the Atlas will remain the big product there

Not sure what you're getting at there. ID.4 seems to be selling faster than water in a desert, VW are struggling to keep up with demand as it is

It looks like Emden will continue to build ICE vehicles for several years, the Passat and Arteon are currently built there. I'm going to throw a wild guess out there that the larger saloon and estate ID models will be built in Emden as well

VW is playing the safe game in the US regarding EVs, they'll have a plant producing enough to meet the current demand in the US but they have battery contracts and factory capacity in place to scale up when demand takes off

Their main focus is Europe however, and always has been

Liam2021

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Not sure what you're getting at there. ID.4 seems to be selling faster than water in a desert, VW are struggling to keep up with demand as it is

It looks like Emden will continue to build ICE vehicles for several years, the Passat and Arteon are currently built there. I'm going to throw a wild guess out there that the larger saloon and estate ID models will be built in Emden as well

VW is playing the safe game in the US regarding EVs, they'll have a plant producing enough to meet the current demand in the US but they have battery contracts and factory capacity in place to scale up when demand takes off

Their main focus is Europe however, and always has been

Travelled from meath to clare, seen 8 id4. Looks like they will be a good seller.

the_amazing_raisin

Liam2021 wrote: »

Travelled from meath to clare, seen 8 id4. Looks like they will be a good seller.

To be fair they stand out quite a bit, pretty sure I'd notice them more than a T Roc or a T Cross

AndyBoBandy

Black_Knight wrote: »

Ask ecars nicely they might tell you, but as far as I know the only one bring built right now is Mayfield hub (4 units, max of 8 cars). Due in June/July last I heard

Might be worth pointing out that there's an extremely high chance that this site will be laid out as 4 CCS & 4 CHAdeMO..

So in theory, it's only an 8 car hub as long as 4 of those cars are Leaf's (or the new Lexus thats seemingly coming..., or Outlander PHEV's)... In reality it's only going to be a 4 (CCS) car hub. Still light years ahead of the current offerings though....

the_amazing_raisin

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Might be worth pointing out that there's an extremely high chance that this site will be laid out as 4 CCS & 4 CHAdeMO..

So in theory, it's only an 8 car hub as long as 4 of those cars are Leaf's (or the new Lexus thats seemingly coming..., or Outlander PHEV's)... In reality it's only going to be a 4 (CCS) car hub. Still light years ahead of the current offerings though....

Isn't that a bonus for Tesla owners because you can use the Chademo adaptor?

ELM327

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Isn't that a bonus for Tesla owners because you can use the Chademo adaptor?

At less than half the speed of CCS though.


Although to be fair, it was great when charging at Kells Park Ri (1*150 and 1*50kW) and 2 ccs were in use, I could plug in to the chademo rather than having to queue

Black_Knight

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Might be worth pointing out that there's an extremely high chance that this site will be laid out as 4 CCS & 4 CHAdeMO..

So in theory, it's only an 8 car hub as long as 4 of those cars are Leaf's (or the new Lexus thats seemingly coming..., or Outlander PHEV's)... In reality it's only going to be a 4 (CCS) car hub. Still light years ahead of the current offerings though....

All the stats I have suggest that if you give CHAdeMO cars a 50kW and a 150kW, they'll use the 50kW. CHAdeMO on the 150kW units are gathering dust

ELM327

Black_Knight wrote: »

All the stats I have suggest that if you give CHAdeMO cars a 50kW and a 150kW, they'll use the 50kW. CHAdeMO on the 150kW units are gathering dust

That's because the "150" is actually a 70kW for chademo, priced higher than the 50kW, and 99.8% of chademo equipped cars cannot achieve more than 50kW.

PaulRyan97

Sales figures for May are up,electric had a 9.08% share bringing it to 6.46% YTD. PHEV is sitting at 6.21% YTD.

May 2021
Rank Make Model 2021 Units 2020 Units % Change 2021 % Share 2020 % Share
1 VOLKSWAGEN ID.4 116 0 - 21.44 0
2 VOLKSWAGEN ID.3 85 0 - 15.71 0
3 KIA NIRO 64 16 300 11.83 10.88
4 TESLA MODEL 3 53 50 6 9.8 34.01
5 MINI MINI HATCH 27 5 440 4.99 3.4
6 SKODA ENYAQ 26 0 - 4.81 0
7 RENAULT ZOE 24 13 84.62 4.44 8.84
8 MG MG5 21 0 - 3.88 0
9 HYUNDAI KONA 20 11 81.82 3.7 7.48
10 MERCEDES-BENZ EQA 15 0 - 2.77 0
11 AUDI E-TRON 13 4 225 2.4 2.72
12 MG MG ZS 12 0 - 2.22 0
13 PEUGEOT 2008 11 0 - 2.03 0
14 NISSAN LEAF 10 13 -23.08 1.85 8.84
15 PORSCHE TAYCAN 10 0 - 1.85 0
16 PEUGEOT 208 9 1 800 1.66 0.68
17 OPEL CORSA 5 3 66.67 0.92 2.04
18 HONDA HONDA E 4 0 - 0.74 0
19 HYUNDAI IONIQ 3 3 0 0.55 2.04
20 KIA SOUL 3 4 -25 0.55 2.72
21 MERCEDES-BENZ EQC 3 1 200 0.55 0.68
22 JAGUAR I-PACE 3 0 - 0.55 0
23 MAZDA MX 2 0 - 0.37 0
24 LEXUS UX 1 0 - 0.18 0
25 BMW I3 1 2 -50 0.18 1.36
- VOLKSWAGEN E GOLF 0 15 - 0 10.2
- TESLA MODEL S 0 5 - 0 3.4
- TESLA MODEL X 0 1 - 0 0.68


YTD
Rank Make Model 2021 Units 2020 Units % Change 2021 % Share 2020 % Share
1 VOLKSWAGEN ID.4 742 0 - 18.78 0
2 VOLKSWAGEN ID.3 570 0 - 14.42 0
3 NISSAN LEAF 479 418 14.59 12.12 22.63
4 KIA NIRO 399 123 224.39 10.1 6.66
5 TESLA MODEL 3 388 397 -2.27 9.82 21.49
6 HYUNDAI KONA 240 319 -24.76 6.07 17.27
7 RENAULT ZOE 181 46 293.48 4.58 2.49
8 PEUGEOT 2008 118 0 - 2.99 0
9 AUDI E-TRON 108 43 151.16 2.73 2.33
10 HYUNDAI IONIQ 105 132 -20.45 2.66 7.15
11 MINI MINI HATCH 93 26 257.69 2.35 1.41
12 PEUGEOT 208 78 19 310.53 1.97 1.03
13 MG MG ZS 73 0 - 1.85 0
14 OPEL CORSA 71 4 1675 1.8 0.22
15 PORSCHE TAYCAN 52 0 - 1.32 0
16 MAZDA MX 46 0 - 1.16 0
17 KIA SOUL 35 123 -71.54 0.89 6.66
18 BMW I3 28 50 -44 0.71 2.71
19 SKODA ENYAQ 26 0 - 0.66 0
20 JAGUAR I-PACE 22 10 120 0.56 0.54
21 MG MG5 22 0 - 0.56 0
22 MERCEDES-BENZ EQC 20 7 185.71 0.51 0.38
23 HONDA HONDA E 18 0 - 0.46 0
24 MERCEDES-BENZ EQA 15 0 - 0.38 0
25 LEXUS UX 10 0 - 0.25 0
26 TESLA MODEL S 4 12 -66.67 0.1 0.65
27 AUDI E-TRON GT 3 0 - 0.08 0
28 OPEL MOKKA 2 0 - 0.05 0
29 MERCEDES-BENZ EQV 1 0 - 0.03 0
30 NISSAN EVALIA 1 2 -50 0.03 0.11
31 TESLA MODEL X 1 6 -83.33 0.03 0.32
32 PORSCHE OTHER PORSCHE 1 0 - 0.03 0
- VOLKSWAGEN E GOLF 0 110 - 0 5.96


Sales of electric and hybrid vehicles for the first five months of the year have eclipsed 2020's total, which itself was a record year.

AndyBoBandy

The YTD figure says 0 ID.3's in 2020!! Didn't they come out last year?

PaulRyan97

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

The YTD figure says 0 ID.3's in 2020!! Didn't they come out last year?

They didn't start arriving until September, this only covers up to May 2020.

AndyBoBandy

PaulRyan97 wrote: »

They didn't start arriving until September, this only covers up to May 2020.

ah yes, sorry, its just showing the same period from last year...

liamog

It's crazy that the ID.4 has already beaten last years top seller the Model 3 at 724 units.
The record for one year is currently jointly held by the Kona and Leaf at 1086 in 2019.

Over 1 in 4 Mini's sold this year are Electric, not bad considering they only have the 3 door hatch available.

the_amazing_raisin

liamog wrote: »

It's crazy that the ID.4 has already beaten last years top seller the Model 3 at 724 units.
The record for one year is currently jointly held by the Kona and Leaf at 1086 in 2019.

Over 1 in 4 Mini's sold this year are Electric, not bad considering they only have the 3 door hatch available.

I'm guessing there's a boat full of Model 3's due this month which will bring it back to the top 3 but there's no doubt that EVs are selling well across the board

Today alone I've seen a newish ID.3 1st and another ID.4

Those VWs are popping up everywhere

Jizique

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

I'm guessing there's a boat full of Model 3's due this month which will bring it back to the top 3 but there's no doubt that EVs are selling well across the board

Today alone I've seen a newish ID.3 1st and another ID.4

Those VWs are popping up everywhere

I doubt we will see Tesla top the list again, they have fallen to #6 in Norway and I would expect similar trends here

innrain

Basically 27% of all EVs sold in Ireland were delivered this year (3.95k from a total of 14.6k) with 4 months of lockdown. Over 78% from Jan 2019.

the_amazing_raisin

Jizique wrote: »

I doubt we will see Tesla top the list again, they have fallen to #6 in Norway and I would expect similar trends here

A lot of that can be explained by the drop off in S and X sales due to the changeover for the new version

There's probably a fair number of people waiting for Giga Berlin to open for the Model Y (they'll be waiting a long time from the looks of it)

But yes, Tesla's days of reigning unopposed are gone. It'll be interesting to see what they do now they have to actually compete with someone

drumm23

Interesting charts...

So VAG are pushing close to 40% of the market YTD :eek:

I always felt that Tesla's total lack of dealer network and services (like trade-in values that aren't ridiculous) would leave a wide open door for VW to walk though ... and boy have they.

drumm23

innrain wrote: »

Basically 25% of all EVs sold in Ireland were delivered this year (5.6k from a total of 21.6k) with 4 months of lockdown. Over 82% from Jan 2019.

amazing growth


now ... how about some infrastructure government? :rolleyes:

sk8board

drumm23 wrote: »

Interesting charts...

So VAG are pushing close to 40% of the market YTD :eek:

I always felt that Tesla's total lack of dealer network and services (like trade-in values that aren't ridiculous) would leave a wide open door for VW to walk though ... and boy have they.

It was hard to see it a few years ago, but VW have smashed it with the overall product of the ID 3 & 4, for price, range and tech.

Tesla only delivered 63 M3’s in April and May combined, and am I right to say their pricing effectively goes up €5k from July 1, so apart from the SR+, without any options, there won’t be many people paying €65k for a LR, and another €5k to that if you choose finance.
With a midrange ID3 for €35k, a roomier car too, suddenly the Tesla €€ premium for the dragtime party trick looks a bit silly.