WWE Raw Superthread

Lord TSC

New thread, go nuts

beakerjoe

Batattackrat

Actually loving the Alexa fiend Orton segments.

Lashley deserves to be WWE champion.

WWE starting to do some things right.

beakerjoe

Batattackrat wrote: »

Actually loving the Alexa fiend Orton segments.

Lashley deserves to be WWE champion.

WWE starting to do some things right.

Why do you think he deserves it?

Personally think hes bland. Great look, not the worst in the ring, but I just don't think top guy when I see him.

Batattackrat

beakerjoe wrote: »

Why do you think he deserves it?

Personally think hes bland. Great look, not the worst in the ring, but I just don't think top guy when I see him.

Who else is there really, McIntyre is gone pretty stale and find Lashley far more entertaining.

beakerjoe

Batattackrat wrote: »

Who else is there really, McIntyre is gone pretty stale and find Lashley far more entertaining.

The lack of stars is a huge concern, there is no one ready to be main event bar McIntyre.

Lashley has been booked the strongest out of a bad bunch, but I dont find him entertaining.

I feel the whole angle has been thrown together at the last minute. All feels rushed.

PTH2009

The best thing they can do is have the Fiend beat Orton with Orton fecking off for a few weeks and coming back as his legend killer character

The Fiend can move onto someone else and become mortal again. He got set on fire came back but can't kick out of a claymore or Lashley lock etc

CastorTroy

Sure all they have to do is put him in a Hell in a Cell match since isn't he the first person that lost a HiaC match by having the match stopped?

J. Marston

PTH2009 wrote: »

The best thing they can do is have the Fiend beat Orton with Orton fecking off for a few weeks and coming back as his legend killer character

The Fiend can move onto someone else and become mortal again. He got set on fire came back but can't kick out of a claymore or Lashley lock etc

The Legend Killer is old hat.

If they're gonna do something with that gimmick, it should come full circle with someone looking to kill the legend of Orton.

It would suit Adam Cole or Ciampa, if they weren't both 5'2.

beakerjoe

J. Marston wrote: »

The Legend Killer is old hat.

If they're gonna do something with that gimmick, it should come full circle with someone looking to kill the legend of Orton.

It would suit Adam Cole or Ciampa, if they weren't both 5'2.

Why is size such an issue?

Can smaller men not out fight taller men

JP Liz V1

Batattackrat wrote: »

Actually loving the Alexa fiend Orton segments.

Lashley deserves to be WWE champion.

WWE starting to do some things right.

I sense sexual tension chemistry between Orton and Bliss

J. Marston

beakerjoe wrote: »

Why is size such an issue?

Can smaller men not out fight taller men

Aesthetics! Adam Cole staring up at Orton in promos despite being the aggressor in this imaginary storyline looks weird.

beakerjoe

J. Marston wrote: »

Aesthetics! Adam Cole staring up at Orton in promos despite being the aggressor in this imaginary storyline looks weird.

But its worked well through out history with the right booking. I see no issue with shorter men facing taller men.

Taker vs HBK didnt seem to be hindered by Shawns height.

JP Liz V1

https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1369030169248292874

PTH2009

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1369030169248292874

Me thinks some shenanigans by Drew and the Miz among others

Braun is also asking for an apology from Shane Mcmahon, no doubt he will beat the hell out of him with the commentary team saying 'its one of my destructive things they've ever seen'

daithi1989

Having stayed up til 5am last night, not a hope I’ll be staying up for this tonight, I’ll wait til morning.

I’d imagine Drew will be interrupting the celebration, and end up team up with Sheamus against The Hurt Business!

Lord TSC

Getting this out of the way quickly...

https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1369032778881372161

PTH2009

Lord TSC wrote: »

Getting this out of the way quickly...

https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1369032778881372161

I wouldn't put it past WWE to have another title change esp with all the talk of AEW

daithi1989

Lord TSC wrote: »

Getting this out of the way quickly...

https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1369032778881372161

I thought rematches were a thing of the past?? Is that not why, for example, Street Profits are building their way back up!? It’s hard stick with WWE when they’re doing things like this...

Loughc

daithi1989 wrote: »

I thought rematches were a thing of the past?? Is that not why, for example, Street Profits are building their way back up!? It’s hard stick with WWE when they’re doing things like this...

Miz posted up a video explaining why he got a rematch. They’re trying to explain it. Hopefully it ends in a couple of minutes in a complete squash.

PTH2009

Title match is pretty early ?

Batattackrat

Suppose I'll stay up for it. Was about to hit the bed.

PTH2009

Bobby getting graphics galore

Batattackrat

Well that was meh, won't be staying up for Shane o Mac's apology with Braun haha

PTH2009

Shane McMahon apology time

PTH2009

Yep that Shane/Braun was a load of ****e

Jesus this episode of raw is moving along quite fast, Sheamus vs Drew next in a no DQ match

Agent Coulson

Sheamus I’m 20 years living in Drew’s shadow this is coming from the man who has won everything in the WWE been a face of the WWE and starred in WWE movies and a guaranteed Hall of Famer lol

Drew has had a decent 1 year in his time in the WWE.

PTH2009

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Sheamus I’m 20 years living in Drew’s shadow this is coming from the man who has won everything in the WWE been a face of the WWE and starred in WWE movies and a guaranteed Hall of Famer lol

Drew has had a decent 1 year in his time in the WWE.

Logic and wwe storytelling don't go hand and hand

PTH2009

The step spot didn't look that sore, commentators going on like Sheamus died from it

Officer999

PTH2009 wrote: »

The step spot didn't look that sore, commentators going on like Sheamus died from it

It was very weak

daithi1989

I’ve often tried to defend Raw and WWE, but last night and next week are just undefendable!

Firstly, last night... The first 90 or so min (which I watched live unfortunately!) was just a rehash of last wk. Lashley/Miz, Drew/Sheamus and Shane/Braun

With Fastlane only 2 wks away, and only 2 matches announced for the show, they then give us a Women’s Tag Title match, where the champs were clearly going to win, as its one of the 2 matches announced for the PPV! They spent the last 3-4 wks building up Lana/Naomi (who I never thought would win the belts, but expected them to at least get a fair crack at them!) for a throw away segment, which was nearly more about Reginald than anything else.

And then for next week, they have announced 2 Title matches, 6 nights before a PPV. Why not just have the 2 matches on the PPV, considering the card is so short currently?? Surely that would make more sense? At a ppv, the titles MIGHT change hands, but I cant see either changing hands on Raw, 6 nights before the PPV!

I’m gonna stick with it til ‘Mania, but after that.. It could be a struggle!

hynesie08

Kenny omegas acme explosions branching out I see......
https://twitter.com/btsportwwe/status/1369137182859014144?s=20

riffmongous

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Sheamus I’m 20 years living in Drew’s shadow this is coming from the man who has won everything in the WWE been a face of the WWE and starred in WWE movies and a guaranteed Hall of Famer lol

Drew has had a decent 1 year in his time in the WWE.

PTH2009 wrote: »

Logic and wwe storytelling don't go hand and hand

I dunno, to me that's classic completely-divorced-from-reality narcissistic heel

LineOfBeauty

hynesie08 wrote: »

Kenny omegas acme explosions branching out I see......
https://twitter.com/btsportwwe/status/1369137182859014144?s=20

The best part of the show last night was a dig at the rival. Digs at the competition remain undefeated!

Lord TSC

When I wake up on Tuesday, I do a read over what happened on Raw. Don't even watch anymore. Maybe a few clips.

Honestly, reading the recap of this show is depressing. The Brawn/Shane stuff reads so badly. Sheamus vs Drew isn't sounding inspiring. "Bliss appears to taunt Randy" seems to have happened the last 10 weeks in a row.

The only thing I see on Raw which looks awesome is Lashley and the Hurt Business. Lashley looks a proper star. I loved his entrance with the golden CGI and lighting. Proper "Final Boss" vibes about him. He oozes cool, as does MVP.

Shame the other 90% of recaps read so viciously bad...

Cotts72

Lord TSC wrote: »

When I wake up on Tuesday, I do a read over what happened on Raw. Don't even watch anymore. Maybe a few clips.

Honestly, reading the recap of this show is depressing. The Brawn/Shane stuff reads so badly. Sheamus vs Drew isn't sounding inspiring. "Bliss appears to taunt Randy" seems to have happened the last 10 weeks in a row.

The only thing I see on Raw which looks awesome is Lashley and the Hurt Business. Lashley looks a proper star. I loved his entrance with the golden CGI and lighting. Proper "Final Boss" vibes about him. He oozes cool, as does MVP.

Shame the other 90% of recaps read so viciously bad...

Same as above. Shame that lashley has finally been built this much only to hand the title back to Drew at Mania. Would love a bit of unpredictability and for him to get a proper run!

Great to see shano ó mac taking a spot from another wrestler at mania

beakerjoe

So Raw,

Loved the opening interview with Lashley, his best promo is forever. I felt that he really believed what he was telling us, loads of passion. Where has this Lashley been.

Miz's promo was also very good too (to be fair his main plus is his mouth, always solid on the mic). Still believe he should be nowhere near the main event scene but I'll go with it.

Loved the new entrance for Lashley. Straight away he feels a bigger deal than previous. Its simple changes like this that can make a huge difference. Present him like a star and he will more likely become a star. MVP looks the part with his cane. His theme still sounds very generic though.

Now what should have happened...... Bobby should be steam rolling Miz. Granted Lashley looked strong but it should have been over early and sold too much for my liking. Its a minor gripe.

What I didnt like was the mid match advertising. Who cares about Braun Strowman and McMahon when the title is on the line..... stupid idea. Your title should be the focus beyond all else.

But its been 25 mins into Raw and I havent felt like fast forwarding. Happy that The Miz appears to be in and out in 2 weeks. So far so good.

Drews promo was good and logical. Drews had a tough time, hes carried the company (at least the Raw side) for a year, always enthusiastic, always 100 percent committed no matter what. No problem with Drew and Sheamo continuing. Last weeks match was a bright spot in an otherwise poor episode.

Truths act has been the same for years, but I cant help enjoy his bollox.

Braun looking for an apology makes him look weak. I liked Braun, but he needs to go away and regroup for a while. His character has been misbooked so badly in the last 2 years, he needs a reboot. Ive no interested in seeing Shane wrestle again, let alone with Braun. Both men are jokes at this stage. Their second segemnt in particular just went on too long and did nothing to get me on board with their future match.

Drew vs Sheamo was good, but disliked the finish. Id rather they just kept them apart until Fastlane than do this ending.

Orton v Fiend does very little for me beyond give me a chuckle now and then. Fiend / Bray Wyatt is a character killer. Rollins, Wyatt, Braun.......whoever he feuds with ends up worse for wear at the end of it. Orton was doing ok in 2020, and despite his best efforts (I really think he is not half assing it) its falling flat. Not a fan of the Fiend at all.

Loved the New Days MK inspired attire....are they angling for another game cameo after Gears 5.

Woods v Benji was a typical WWE tv match. It was fine.

Riddle vs Slapjack was fine. Again a paint by numbers TV match.

AJ v Randy was fine. Then we got the Bliss segment and the "black substance" (ya gotta love WWE verbiage). MEH.

WWE piped in crowd noise gets worse by the week. Simulated "Shane-O-Mac" chants.....really?. WWE really misses fans, their already soulless presentation is made worse each week without them. Its such a hollow product in terms of presentation.

A strong enough start to Raw by WWE standards, but the usual problems surface before you know it.

beakerjoe

Cotts72 wrote: »

Same as above. Shame that lashley has finally been built this much only to hand the title back to Drew at Mania. Would love a bit of unpredictability and for him to get a proper run!

Great to see Shano ó mac taking a spot from another wrestler at mania

WWE clearly has a problem making stars, so one of their solutions is to wheel out an over the hill non wrestler for the umpteenth time.

I dont wanna see Shane, but seriously does anyone?

Necro

I really hope they don't hand the title back to Drew at Mania. The Hurt Business and Lashley are by far the best thing about Raw in what seems like forever. Lashley finally seems like a star after years of mediocrity. He has always had the look, but the presentation was always wrong.

That being said... Drew VS Lashley for the WWE Championship is relatively fresh at Mania. If (and a big IF) it's booked right you could have two massive stars going forward.

I still maintain that Smackdown is better than Raw presently but that gap is narrowing a little now there seems to be some form of direction. For one I'm much more interested in Lashley VS Drew than I am Edge VS Reigns.

Fastlane should just be scrapped, far too many PPVs anyways and with no fans, what is the point this close to Mania?


The rest I could give or take. They really have no clue how to use Strowman, is he a heel, is he a face? Shane screwing him over is acting the heel but they pipe in boos for Strowman? Bizarre.

CastorTroy

Maybe it's always been there and never noticed before, but what was on the left of Lashley's face in that opening interview? Looked like a piece of metal under his skin

beakerjoe

Necro wrote: »

I really hope they don't hand the title back to Drew at Mania. The Hurt Business and Lashley are by far the best thing about Raw in what seems like forever. Lashley finally seems like a star after years of mediocrity. He has always had the look, but the presentation was always wrong.

That being said... Drew VS Lashley for the WWE Championship is relatively fresh at Mania. If (and a big IF) it's booked right you could have two massive stars going forward.

I still maintain that Smackdown is better than Raw presently but that gap is narrowing a little now there seems to be some form of direction. For one I'm much more interested in Lashley VS Drew than I am Edge VS Reigns.

Fastlane should just be scrapped, far too many PPVs anyways and with no fans, what is the point this close to Mania?


The rest I could give or take. They really have no clue how to use Strowman, is he a heel, is he a face? Shane screwing him over is acting the heel but they pipe in boos for Strowman? Bizarre.

Jericho cut a promo on his original WWF debut that the mediocre was deemed acceptable. Man flash forward to today and WWEs product is very mediocre and its been accepted by management for far too long. Shane's angles in the last 3 years have all fallen flat, from his feud with The Miz, to Raw Underground .... yet they still believe he is a draw. Hes stale, his character is stale, hes not a great in ring competitor at his age....why wheel him out? Because he is a McMahon?

I just dont get it.

Necro

beakerjoe wrote: »

Jericho cut a promo on his original WWF debut that the mediocre was deemed acceptable. Man flash forward to today and WWEs product is very mediocre and its been accepted by management for far too long. Shane's angles in the last 3 years have all fallen flat, from his feud with The Miz, to Raw Underground .... yet they still believe he is a draw. Hes stale, his character is stale, hes not a great in ring competitor at his age....why wheel him out? Because he is a McMahon?

I just dont get it.

I don't really mind the match as such personally as it gives Strowman something to do at least, remember that daft tag title match a few years back they gave him?

Shane will go out, take a few ridiculous bumps for him and most likely lose and that's fine - I'm just not really understanding why they're piping in the boos for Braun when he's being presented more as a face since his return.

I don't mind old timers returning when it's not the main event ala Goldberg but I do agree, Shane has been stale since his match with Taker and that was what - 3? 4? years ago?

beakerjoe

Necro wrote: »

I don't really mind the match as such personally as it gives Strowman something to do at least, remember that daft tag title match a few years back they gave him?

Shane will go out, take a few ridiculous bumps for him and most likely lose and that's fine - I'm just not really understanding why they're piping in the boos for Braun when he's being presented more as a face since his return.

I don't mind old timers returning when it's not the main event ala Goldberg but I do agree, Shane has been stale since his match with Taker and that was what - 3? 4? years ago?

A 51 year old non wrestler should be steamrolled by a 37 monster like Braun..... but it will go 25 mins and Braun will just about over come McMahon. Im sick of it.

And they wonder why they cant make new stars.

Shane will go out, take a few ridiculous bumps for him and most likely lose and that's fine - I'm just not really understanding why they're piping in the boos for Braun when he's being presented more as a face since his return.

This makes no lick of sense.... Braun has been presented like the face, yet they pipe it boo's and Shane chants. Shanes last night was an obvious cowardly heel. No sense I tells ya.

J. Marston

CastorTroy wrote: »

Maybe it's always been there and never noticed before, but what was on the left of Lashley's face in that opening interview? Looked like a piece of metal under his skin

Scar tissue. Can't remember getting bust open but it seems recent enough.

ThePott

Well it officially happened, for the first time in years.
I couldn't finish Raw not even just watching it in the background I mean.

Started alright, Lashely's entrance is cool. Sheamus/Drew was ruined by the ending. By the time I got to whatever the F that Braun/Shane segment was I tapped out. Skipped to the end to see if anything noteworthy happened there. It is the absolute pits (replace the p with an sh) right now. Gave the Fiend stuff a chance and it's absolute pants. Don't care where it's leading at this point. There is not a single thing to interest me on Raw right now and considering how long a show it is that is an absolute indictment.

PTH2009

Dumb Braun is such a average angle and a little confusing as he is basically the face in it while Shane the smaller man is the bully.

Christ WWE just bring back the Fiend and be done with it

Looking like Drew vs Sheamus will end at fastlane with the winner getting a title shot at mania but what about Styles who should be in the title picture ?

kksaints

Did someone in the Raw writing team rewatch Twin Peaks recently? The Fiend stuff atm is reminding me off a knock off version of it.

JP Liz V1

https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1369141893624434690

Batattackrat

At this stage vince needs to ring Punk and pay him five times what lesnar was getting.

CastorTroy

Drew obviously never got the memo about the thigh slapping

JP Liz V1

Is Drew next for Bobby tonight or Fastlane?