Ulster vs. Leinster, Saturday 6th March, 19.35 (Eir Sport 1)

Akrasia

Clegg wrote: »

That should be another yellow for Ulster too.

The tackler didn't roll away or release and prevented quick ball on the try line.

Leinster had a player going off his feet in from the side the breakdown immediately before...

awec

[Deleted User] wrote: »

An armchair tackle and an elbow to the face aren't really much of an equivalence.

I'd have had a penalty for Toner and a yellow for Warwick.

Definitely agree with others - can't ruin games because of individual mistakes. Need a card between yellow and red. Red should be for someone doing something intentional.

Head to head contact is a red card. Except if you’re Leinster.

Zzippy

Red card was identical to Delahunt's one against Munster a few months ago. Think that was Frank too. At least he's consistent.

TheAnalyst_

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Great tackle but Stockdale very lucky to get away with not releasing

Ref counting cards in his head there and saw the try scored so no card.

TomsOnTheRoof

That red was farcical given O'Brien was let off earlier. No consistency whatsoever. Ulster can feel very hard done by with that.

kmart6

McCloskey looked to lead with and elbow/forearm to McGrath's neck there.

testtech05

Zzippy wrote: »

Red card was identical to Delahunt's one against Munster a few months ago. Think that was Frank too. At least he's consistent.

I thought it was harsh enough to be honest a yellow was probably enough but I think Frank was going yellow until TMO and assistant both suggested it was more

sydthebeat

awec wrote: »

Head to head contact is a red card. Except if you’re Leinster.

There was head to head earlier today in zebre v Glasgow and it wasn't even a penalty.

Too much of these decisions are subjective and don't take the actual incident into account

awec

The only solution to this bull**** is no more IRFU referees in interpros.

I for one am tired of being fcuked red raw by this crowd of pretenders.

yoursaviour1989

Did Toner not knock it on by dropping the ball coming out of the ruck in the build up to the third try?

awec

awec wrote: »

Head to head contact is a red card. Except if you’re Leinster.

Leo Cullen hypnotises referee's before kick off so that we get special treatment.

Akrasia

sydthebeat wrote: »

There was head to head earlier today in zebre v Glasgow and it wasn't even a penalty.

Too much of these decisions are subjective and don't take the actual incident into account

Josh VDF headbutted an Ulster player and it wasn’t even reviewed

pickarooney

sydthebeat wrote: »

If Ed Byrne had have tackled the way he's supposed to ie bend over low, then it would have been a fend

However ed goes high, the fend ends up high and its a red card.

No injury, none hurt, no "strike" to the head, but game unequal now.

Sooner they bring in 20 minute replacements the better to at least counter act some of these harsh cards

Fend over the top of his head? Warwick threw the elbow out, only Byrne jumping would have made it hit low enough for a fend.

awec

awec wrote: »

The only solution to this bull**** is no more IRFU referees in interpros.

I for one am tired of being fcuked red raw by this crowd of pretenders.

try some lube next time

bilston

If Warwick's is a red then so is O'Brien's. His was far more dangerous.

Enjoy the Leinster try fest Leinster fans in the second half.

Squidgy Black

If there's one good thing to come out of this game it's that we haven't had an awec meltdown to witness in quite a while.

Just like the good old days, it's always enjoyable.

bilston

Clegg wrote: »

Stockdale is blessed there.

Clear cut yellow that Murphy has ignored.

Well maybe the ref realises the officials have completely f****d the game with the complete imbalance in previous decisions.

It was also a sensational tackle by Stockdale

oso92

sydthebeat wrote: »

If Ed Byrne had have tackled the way he's supposed to ie bend over low, then it would have been a fend

However ed goes high, the fend ends up high and its a red card.

No injury, none hurt, no "strike" to the head, but game unequal now.

Sooner they bring in 20 minute replacements the better to at least counter act some of these harsh cards

It wouldn't. He led with the forearm, a fend involves the use of the palm of the hand. If Ed had gone low and he performed the same action he would have forearmed him in the head. You cannot lead with your forearm, it's as simple as that.

Burkie1203

Akrasia wrote: »

Josh VDF headbutted an Ulster player and it wasn’t even reviewed

?? What minute was this and on who?

Buer

Cronin has had a fine first half.

clsmooth

TomsOnTheRoof wrote: »

That red was farcical given O'Brien was let off earlier. No consistency whatsoever. Ulster can feel very hard done by with that.

Don’t think it was ‘farcical’ although I would have preferred a yellow for the sake of the game. I remember Itoje doing the same to Sexton in the Champions Cup final and wondering how he got away it. Warwick had a bit of push and shove with Fardy moments earlier so possibly a bit too g’d up going into contact.

Exclamation Marc

Weird first half. Felt like an insane amount of penalties and/or advantages.

Leinster did extremely well to turn it around after going down to 13. Comparing O'Briens yellow to Warwicks red does not look good for the officiating team. Both reds or both yellows.

Thrashssacre

Buer wrote: »

Cronin has had a fine first half.

Hasn't put a foot wrong all game.

TomsOnTheRoof

The sport is being turned upside down by poor officiating. How many games have been decided by reds in recent weeks? Mitigation with regard to contact with the head has only muddied the water and led to inconsistency. Warwick's card happens numerous times in every game, he was just unlucky that an overzealous TMO wanted his moment in the sun.

awec

bilston wrote: »

If Warwick's is a red then so is O'Brien's. His was far more dangerous.

Enjoy the Leinster try fest Leinster fans in the second half.

OBriens was not a red.

Mitigating factors. Blue jersey was the main one.

TomsOnTheRoof

awec wrote: »

The only solution to this bull**** is no more IRFU referees in interpros.

I for one am tired of being fcuked red raw by this crowd of pretenders.

There's not one of them that's decent. It's a joke.

AdamD

JOB's wasn't a red either. Just because the ref overreacted with Warwick doesn't mean he should have overeacted earlier too.

Slow motion changed it entirely, in real time you can see how quickly the position of tackle changed (and Madigan jumping into him)

Akrasia

Burkie1203 wrote: »

?? What minute was this and on who?

before the 2 Ulster cards, and it was against the Ulster player with the red scrum cap. Definitely head on head collision from VDF charging into a defender, VDF was leading with his head

Dave_The_Sheep

And ... there's the bitterness and spite missing from the thread earlier today.

aloooof

Jackman made a good point that in t Mrs of contact, O’Briens was probably more dangerous. It’s a shame as it was a cracking game up to the red.

VdF carrying very well, to be fair to him.

Teferi

Both teams were down to 13 men for roughly similar amounts of time in that half. Leinster done more while they had the man advantage. Ulster will be raging about the red but realistically simply didn't do as much as Leinster did to get scores on the boards while they had the advantage. The rest of the game might be 'ruined' but Leinster grew into the game and Ulster faded after shooting their load in the first 20.

Boscoirl

bilston wrote: »

If Warwick's is a red then so is O'Brien's. His was far more dangerous.

Enjoy the Leinster try fest Leinster fans in the second half.

Toners swinging arm was more dangerous than Warricks never mind OBriens

Akrasia

Thrashssacre wrote: »

Hasn't put a foot wrong all game.

But anonymous IMO

clsmooth

Akrasia wrote: »

before the 2 Ulster cards, and it was against the Ulster player with the red scrum cap. Definitely head on head collision from VDF charging into a defender, VDF was leading with his head

Ah jaysus. There was nothing in that.

Burkie1203

Akrasia wrote: »

before the 2 Ulster cards, and it was against the Ulster player with the red scrum cap. Definitely head on head collision from VDF charging into a defender, VDF was leading with his head

VDF did nothing wrong there.

JOB for me was YC
Warwick one was YC for me. Looks like his left hand on shoulder was first point of contact

Clegg

VDF failed a HIA at half time.

Clegg

I'd look at that clear out from Leinster there.

Clegg

Brilliant okay from Penny there though.

clsmooth

Aside from all the card talk, that Balaucoune finish was brilliant. Great to see him back.

TomsOnTheRoof

clsmooth wrote: »

Don’t think it was ‘farcical’ although I would have preferred a yellow for the sake of the game. I remember Itoje doing the same to Sexton in the Champions Cup final and wondering how he got away it. Warwick had a bit of push and shove with Fardy moments earlier so possibly a bit too g’d up going into contact.

It's farcical in the context of the game. If that had been an isolated incident you could say the red's fair if a bit unlucky. However when O'Brien can make head to head contact with Madigan and a yellow is deemed sufficient then there's a clear inconsistency. If I were an Ulster fan I'd be furious.

The one positive for Ulster is their backline. The first 20 minutes they were unbelievable.

Akrasia

clsmooth wrote: »

Ah jaysus. There was nothing in that.

Caused him to fail a HIA

awec

Ed Byrne off his feet like a rocket.

No penalty.

clsmooth

Akrasia wrote: »

Caused him to fail a HIA

Eric O’Sullivan? He’s back on the pitch.

clsmooth

awec wrote: »

Ed Byrne off his feet like a rocket.

No penalty.

Bad miss by officials. Very obvious.

awec

awec wrote: »

Ed Byrne off his feet like a rocket.

No penalty.

That's correct. no penalty given

irelandrover

AdamD wrote: »

JOB's wasn't a red either. Just because the ref overreacted with Warwick doesn't mean he should have overeacted earlier too.

Slow motion changed it entirely, in real time you can see how quickly the position of tackle changed (and Madigan jumping into him)

JOB was a red. It was poor tackle technique that led to a head on head collision.

Squidgy Black

That was a brilliant tackle by Lowry

guapos

Timoney trying to bully OReilly is gas

Clegg

Bent and Penny are having super games.

Clegg

Very soft to concede.