Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

Leg End Reject

anewme wrote: »

If you make allegations of bullying against someone, that is not your truth. That is what you are alleging. Same as in a court of law. The person has a right to come back at you and refute your allegations against them.

Meghan saying she is mentally unwell, is her own business, she's not making allegations against anyone else. Her mental health.

Not sure if you will see the difference.

The laughing emojis show how far people will go when they want to believe something.

But she DID make allegations against others.

She claimed she was told she couldn't get help because it "wouldn't look good", and that a member of the family made racist comments about the colour of her unborn child while she was pregnant. Mind you, Harry seemed to think the comment was wondering what colour any future children might be before they even got married.

ETA: I'm not sure you'll see the difference either.

anewme

dogbert27 wrote: »

But if I feel bullied is it not my truth?

Are you saying you don't believe my truth? (similar to Pierce Morgan not believing Meghan's truth?)

Leg End Reject wrote: »

But she DID make allegations against others.

She claimed she was told she couldn't get help because it "wouldn't look good", and that a member of the family made racist comments about the colour of her unborn child while she was pregnant. Mind you, Harry seemed to think the comment was wondering what colour any future children might be before they even got married.

ETA: I'm not sure you'll see the difference either.

I'm addressing what the poster alleged above. Ive said many times here my main issue is with someone being challenged on their own mental health.

So, if someone is alleging bullying, then the person they are alleging it against is entitled to defend their good name.

If someone says they are feeling suicidal (a stranger at that) it is not for someone who does not know me to tell me Im lying.

They are very different things.

anewme

dogbert27 wrote: »

I made a retraction 10 minutes before you came in and ridiculed my original post. So your laughing emojis were to make me feel small for my opinion. Thanks.

If her mental health is her own business and not to be discussed by others then she should not be doing a global interview telling the world about it.

It was not just an opinion though was it, it was the chattering teeth that were put here earlier (laughed at that too) (and there's more, wait till I tell ya)

The laughing emojis show how far people are prepared to stretch in their attempts to diss someone they dont know.

You are claiming to feel small after a few laughing emojis on an outlandish view and fairly funny slant on things, yet there are pages and pages of trashing someone but that's ok, because she's a public figure.

So was Caroline Flack.

PatrickSmithUS

anewme wrote: »

I'm addressing what the poster alleged above. Ive said many times here my main issue is with someone being challenged on their own mental health.

If someone says they are feeling suicidal (a stranger at that) it is not for someone who does not know me to tell me Im lying.

They are very different things.

100% this. Morgan was acting last week as if everyone acts the same way if they are having these thoughts.

beakerjoe

PatrickSmithUS wrote: »

100% this. Morgan was acting last week as if everyone acts the same way if they are having these thoughts.

But, would it not be possible that someone, such as Meghan in this scenario, could "play" the mental health/suicide card in an attempt to gain sympathy and support?

Im personally unsure if she's done this, but its a possibility. Yes, you can not prove it, but I believe its fair for people to believe she's lying.

JimmyVik

beakerjoe wrote: »

But, would it not be possible that someone, such as Meghan in this scenario, could "play" the mental health/suicide card in an attempt to gain sympathy and support?

Im personally unsure if she's done this, but its a possibility. Yes, you can not prove it, but I believe its fair for people to believe she's lying.

People would never ever do that.... not.

Nqp15hhu

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9367669/Prince-William-Prince-Harry-speak-time-Oprah-interview.html?ico=amp-comments-viewall#article-9367669

The Royal Family’s silence is annoying me now. You can’t sit and allow this woman to spew everything that goes on in the house and do nothing. All of these lies go unchallenged.

Completely cut them off, no titles or money at all. Come on!

Feisar

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9367669/Prince-William-Prince-Harry-speak-time-Oprah-interview.html?ico=amp-comments-viewall#article-9367669

The Royal Family’s silence is annoying me now. You can’t sit and allow this woman to spew everything that goes on in the house and do nothing. All of these lies go unchallenged.

Completely cut them off, no titles or money at all. Come on!

Never complain, never explain.

beakerjoe

JimmyVik wrote: »

People would never ever do that.... not.

I dont know here well enough to say she is, based on what evidence is available Im undecided on it personally.

Morgan is not a man with great character. However, he may have a better opinion of Meghan than we do via the circles he runs in, his own personal experiences with these involved.

Hes entitled to his opinion and regardless of his motives, its a fair opinion. She may be playing this card to gain public backing, paint herself in a relatable and sympathetic light.

I believe its fair to say it if that what you believe.

I well believe she has some mental health issues, but whether shes suicidal is debatable (as we are doing here).

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

The Royal Family’s silence is annoying me now. You can’t sit and allow this woman to spew everything that goes on in the house and do nothing. All of these lies go unchallenged.

Completely cut them off, no titles or money at all. Come on!

I believe they are letting Meghan and Harry dig their own graves here. Meghan , from my POV, is not being honest completely. There may be loads of truth to her story, but how shes portraying herself has not won me over.

The "unplanned interview" narrative is a lie...its a clear PR drive. I cant believe it. If shes lying here, what else is untrue?

I believe shes dishonest.

the RF arent lowering selves to her level by retaliating.

retro:electro

I thought they wanted privacy? Why is Gayle King going on blabbing about a private phone call? I’m sure Meghan will be having words with her at once :pac:

walshb

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9367669/Prince-William-Prince-Harry-speak-time-Oprah-interview.html?ico=amp-comments-viewall#article-9367669

The Royal Family’s silence is annoying me now. You can’t sit and allow this woman to spew everything that goes on in the house and do nothing. All of these lies go unchallenged.

Completely cut them off, no titles or money at all. Come on!

I see where you are coming from, but maybe they, like me and others, see this as simply two pathetic attention seekers making an absolute mountain out a molehill i order to crave a limelight...

The RF are supposed to be above this petulant trash!

So, not adding fuel or giving it too much credence is probably the best way to shut it down...

Really, most normal common sense folks will see this as I described above....

The RF are no different.

Nqp15hhu

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9367669/Prince-William-Prince-Harry-speak-time-Oprah-interview.html?ico=amp-comments-viewall#article-9367669

The Royal Family’s silence is annoying me now. You can’t sit and allow this woman to spew everything that goes on in the house and do nothing. All of these lies go unchallenged.

Completely cut them off, no titles or money at all. Come on!

The Royal family do not comment on things like this.
Harry & Meghan also know this.
You cannot expect the Royal family to get into family rows in public

beakerjoe

Better to stay silent and be thought of as a fool, than to open your mouth and confirm it.

cnocbui

William and Charles are likely to be appalled at it being leaked to a US media personality - with royal experts pointing out that senior royals are unlikely to want to talk to the Sussexes if they just pass on information to a friend who then reveals it in the American media.

RF apparatchiks have been leaking stuff about Harry and Meghan to the press and William and Charles were unconcerned, but now that it's their business being leaked, they will be incensed?

Wonderful example of Daily Mail BS spin and hypocrisy, given they have an open cheque book for leaks from with the RF.

Nqp15hhu

beakerjoe wrote: »

I dont know here well enough to say she is, based on what evidence is available Im undecided on it personally.

Morgan is not a man with great character. However, he may have a better opinion of Meghan than we do via the circles he runs in, his own personal experiences with these involved.

Hes entitled to his opinion and regardless of his motives, its a fair opinion. She may be playing this card to gain public backing, paint herself in a relatable and sympathetic light.

I believe its fair to say it if that what you believe.

I well believe she has some mental health issues, but whether shes suicidal is debatable (as we are doing here).





I believe they are letting Meghan and Harry dig their own graves here. Meghan , from my POV, is not being honest completely. There may be loads of truth to her story, but how shes portraying herself has not won me over.

The "unplanned interview" narrative is a lie...its a clear PR drive. I cant believe it. If shes lying here, what else is untrue?

I believe shes dishonest.

the RF arent lowering selves to her level by retaliating.

If she releases everything they say though, how is silence a good rebuttal to that?

Leg End Reject

anewme wrote: »

I'm addressing what the poster alleged above. Ive said many times here my main issue is with someone being challenged on their own mental health.

So, if someone is alleging bullying, then the person they are alleging it against is entitled to defend their good name.

If someone says they are feeling suicidal (a stranger at that) it is not for someone who does not know me to tell me Im lying.

They are very different things.

So if someone is being bullied they should be able to prove it?

But someone who claims they were suicidal, and whose husband brought her to a work function instead of getting urgent medical help, should be believed?

Should we believe she was denied help too? Well, going on her version of events she was denied help. Denied by her husband, and he sat there and blamed faceless officials who can't respond.

cnocbui

bubblypop wrote: »

The Royal family do not comment on things like this.
Harry & Meghan also know this.
You cannot expect the Royal family to get into family rows in public

How did the press get hold of 'Kate' crying over the flower girls story?

retro:electro

cnocbui wrote: »

RF apparatchiks have been leaking stuff about Harry and Meghan to the press and William and Charles were unconcerned, but now that it's their business being leaked, they will be incensed?

Wonderful example of Daily Mail BS spin and hypocrisy, given they have an open cheque book for leaks from with the RF.

Now now don’t be getting all wound up by what The Daily Mail says :pac:

cnocbui

cnocbui wrote: »

How did the press get hold of 'Kate' crying over the flower girls story?

I don't know but I do know that it wasn't an official statement or press release by the royal family.

Realistically, it could have been anyone, dressmakers, maids, drivers, close protection, cleaners. There's a lot of people working behind the scenes and I'm sure some of them occasionally pass on stories
These things are better ignored without rebuttal.

retro:electro

It’s simple. She has an issue with things being leaked to the papers that paint her in a less than favourable light but has no issue sending her mates and Gayle King onto talk shows to spill tea and divulge things that others may want to keep private. She is incensed because the British media has the measure of her and being the narcissist she is she can’t take it.

PhoenixParker

cnocbui wrote: »

How did the press get hold of 'Kate' crying over the flower girls story?

This seems to be the original:

https://www.tatler.com/article/the-duchess-of-cambridge-is-the-julyaugust-cover

Then there was an incident at the wedding rehearsal,’ another friend of the Cambridges’ claims. ‘It was a hot day and apparently there was a row over whether the bridesmaids should wear tights or not. Kate, following protocol, felt that they should. Meghan didn’t want them to.’ The photographs suggest that Meghan won.

The source quoted is a friend of Kate's and it's a full 2 years after the wedding in May 2020.
Description doesn't say either of them cried. In fact, what was published is pretty much what Meghan herself said.

Other sources suggest KP had some input into the article, or at least didn't dispute it
https://www.insider.com/kate-middleton-denies-meghan-markle-feud-over-bridesmaids-tights-2020-5

A spokesperson for the publication told Insider: "Tatler's Editor-in-Chief Richard Dennen stands behind the reporting of Anna Pasternak and her sources. "Kensington Palace knew we were running the 'Catherine the Great' cover months ago and we asked them to work together on it. The fact they are denying they ever knew is categorically false," they added.

Not the best source, but it's a direct quote so probably reasonably reliable.

In fairness, why would KP dispute it. It matches almost exactly what Meghan herself described. There was a dispute, they were both upset. It doesn't say Meghan made Kate cry (that probably came later).

Neyite

cnocbui wrote: »

How did the press get hold of 'Kate' crying over the flower girls story?

I saw somewhere in the last few days that there were several women there at the time - secretaries for both women, two assistants to the dress designer and some others (I forget who - I can't find that article now) so it sounds like it was pretty crowded and also with people external to the firm it had the potential for a leak that way.

banie01

retro:electro wrote: »

I thought they wanted privacy? Why is Gayle King going on blabbing about a private phone call? I’m sure Meghan will be having words with her at once :pac:

Is that Oprah's best friend Gayle King?

retro:electro

banie01 wrote: »

Is that Oprah's best friend Gayle King?

valoren

I actually didn’t consider that the whole interview may well have been a pitch for negotiating more contracts and deals i.e. Harry saying he’s been cut off financially, how he wants to protect his family and this playing the poor-mouth victim will play well during negotiations. Given the above might it be possible, particularly Harry specifically mentioning having to do deals with Netflix and Spotify to remain financially afloat, that they have a need to retain the public interest in order to remain relevant and thus this could lead to deliberately inflating the racism claims and the battle with suicide? It's possible. Oprah wasn't exactly positing that Harry was already a wealthy man and could well afford private security and it wasn't a predictable "we had to leave the media scrutiny for our mental well-being but we'll be back in service when the time comes" type interview. It all seemed like a quid pro quo PR stunt masquarading as a tell all interview with headline grabbing (but hollow) claims about topical subjects.

Neyite

It was all about raising their marketability in the US. To live the kind of lifestyle they want on an ongoing basis, they need to severely build up their bank account.

She had something like $6 million, he was thought to have had £12 million inherited and invested plus an estimated £2 million from great-granny when she died, so while that would keep us sorted for life, it's pocket change when you want to hang out with the Oprah's and Clooneys and other Hollywood Royalty. Especially when you've dropped a big chunk of those savings on both the Frogmore renovation and the new gaff.

Purple Mountain

Neyite wrote: »

It was all about raising their marketability in the US. To live the kind of lifestyle they want on an ongoing basis, they need to severely build up their bank account.

She had something like $6 million, he was thought to have had £12 million inherited and invested plus an estimated £2 million from great-granny when she died, so while that would keep us sorted for life, it's pocket change when you want to hang out with the Oprah's and Clooneys and other Hollywood Royalty. Especially when you've dropped a big chunk of those savings on both the Frogmore renovation and the new gaff.

Don't be worrying about them, Neyite.
There's been a GoFund me page set up by a fan supposedly to pay the mortgage on their Montecito home.
Maybe we should all put in a few bob?

Neyite

Hey crowd funding worked for Trump :pac:

BettyS

Wow! There is no way back for Harry and his family after the latest leaks.

I think that Harry’s family must feel incredibly betrayed.

They are throwing petrol on the flames.

BettyS

What are people thinking about leaking the conversations by Oprah’s partner?

Ironic how they cut off Meghan’s dad for the same thing

It clearly suits their agenda to enable these leaks