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Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

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    #3452
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,276 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Augeo wrote: »
    Wonder did he always want to be a sales rep. Best of luck to him.

    He did. He just didn't know it until he met Megan.


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    #3453
    Mules
    Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Mules


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A very good post.

    On the subject of Harry’s mental health issues and not meaning to make little of them, were they more grieving issues rather the more serious mental health ones, I wonder?

    I believe they were grieving issues.


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    #3454
    Mules
    Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Mules


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    He did. He just didn't know it until he met Megan.
    :D


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    #3455
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    A very good post.

    On the subject of Harry’s mental health issues and not meaning to make little of them, were they more grieving issues rather the more serious mental health ones, I wonder?

    Those aren't always mutually exclusive. I'm going to guess here that his mother's public and sudden death, the publicity and media scrutiny and speculation after it and the forcing of him to walk behind his Mummy's coffin like a tiny, stoic man in the full gaze of billions of eyes had a deeply traumatizing effect. Sudden deaths can be really traumatizing and the effects of trauma can last a lifetime if not recognised and treated.


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    #3456
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    https://twitter.com/BoyGeorge/status/1374368543429464070?s=20


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    #3457
    BettyS
    Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭BettyS


    Former drug users may make an absolutely wonderful counsellor to present drug addicts. But their experience alone will not be sufficient to enable them to start counselling patients. They will have to go through the pre-requisite training. And when one is pronouncing advice on a national level, one would expect that the burden of necessary training is higher. My judgement will depend on how he pivots himself.

    Even the reporting of certain mental health issues carries weighty ethical issues. Take suicide as an example. Reporters have to ensure that a suicide story is reported in a very careful and sensitive manner, to ensure that there are not any adverse outcomes as a result of the report.

    Advocating for mental health in an ethical fashion carries a significant burden of responsibility


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    #3458
    BettyS
    Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭BettyS


    BetterUp is apparently a unicorn company.


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    #3459
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    BettyS wrote: »
    BetterUp is apparently a unicorn company.

    What?


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    #3460
    BettyS
    Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭BettyS


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    What?

    It is worth more than 1 billion. Seriously, how??? What am I missing?


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    #3461
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    It is just so magnanimous of Harry to offer his (lack of) skills to this one billion dollar start up company.


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    #3462
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    BettyS wrote: »
    Former drug users may make an absolutely wonderful counsellor to present drug addicts. But their experience alone will not be sufficient to enable them to start counselling patients. They will have to go through the pre-requisite training. And when one is pronouncing advice on a national level, one would expect that the burden of necessary training is higher. My judgement will depend on how he pivots himself.

    Even the reporting of certain mental health issues carries weighty ethical issues. Take suicide as an example. Reporters have to ensure that a suicide story is reported in a very careful and sensitive manner, to ensure that there are not any adverse outcomes as a result of the report.

    Advocating for mental health in an ethical fashion carries a significant burden of responsibility


    I don't think Harry's role will be doing one-to-one counselling. High profile people are often used to advocate for mental health issues. For example, Alan Quinlan, the former rugby player has been going around to schools talking about his experience of depression and I don't think he has provided any counselling services. Or Bressie is another example. You actually need people who have suffered from depression to explain what happened to them and maybe say what their coping mechanisms are and then point them in the right direction if they need professional help.


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    #3463
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    BettyS wrote: »
    It is worth more than 1 billion. Seriously, how??? What am I missing?


    Americans are big into mental help. Did you ever watch the Sopranos or Dr Phil! Yanks are always talking about their ''shrink''.


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    #3464
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    jm08 wrote: »
    I don't think Harry's role will be doing one-to-one counselling. High profile people are often used to advocate for mental health issues. For example, Alan Quinlan, the former rugby player has been going around to schools talking about his experience of depression and I don't think he has provided any counselling services. Or Bressie is another example. You actually need people who have suffered from depression to explain what happened to them and maybe say what their coping mechanisms are and then point them in the right direction if they need professional help.

    I'm happy to do that for free. Why should recounting your experiences incur a fee?


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    #3465
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    I'm happy to do that for free. Why should recounting your experiences incur a fee?


    Do you have a job? How often can tell your story? Can you visit all the schools in Ireland? Who puts petrol in the car? Do you need 24/7 security that costs $2.5m a year?


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    #3466
    tipptom
    Registered Users Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    jm08 wrote: »
    Americans are big into mental help. Did you ever watch the Sopranos or Dr Phil! Yanks are always talking about their ''shrink''.

    Even Tonys shrink had a shrink


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    #3467
    JoChervil
    Registered Users Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A very good post.

    On the subject of Harry’s mental health issues and not meaning to make little of them, were they more grieving issues rather the more serious mental health ones, I wonder?

    Suppressed or unrecognised grief is often at the root of the more serious mental health problems


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    #3468
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    jm08 wrote: »
    Do you have a job? How often can tell your story? Can you visit all the schools in Ireland? Who puts petrol in the car? Do you need 24/7 security that costs $2.5m a year?

    I wasnt referring to the rugby player, I was referring to Harry. I presume he wont be doing school visits. And I wouldn't accept remuneration for sharing my experience of depression/anxiety or PTSD. It shouldn't be a source of income .


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    #3469
    JoChervil
    Registered Users Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Those aren't always mutually exclusive. I'm going to guess here that his mother's public and sudden death, the publicity and media scrutiny and speculation after it and the forcing of him to walk behind his Mummy's coffin like a tiny, stoic man in the full gaze of billions of eyes had a deeply traumatizing effect. Sudden deaths can be really traumatizing and the effects of trauma can last a lifetime if not recognised and treated.

    I feel really sorry for Harry. One day he will recognise that he gave an interview to the TV station, which was the only one to show the picture of his dying mother in a documentary in 2004.


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    #3470
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    If there is any good that comes from this Harry and Meghan debacle, it is the shared learning experiences about real mental health issues that are discussed in the last few pages of this thread.


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    #3471
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,747 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    JoChervil wrote: »
    Suppressed or unrecognised grief is often at the root of the more serious mental health problems

    This is very true.
    Particularly loss in childhood that's not addressed.

    There's a notion that children are resilient, that they bounce back and cope great.
    The truth is though that they don't, they try an maintain their routine and their relationships on a basis of "same".

    Their resilience is really just them hanging on to what they knew because they don't know how to adapt and readjust.


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    #3472
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    I wasnt referring to the rugby player, I was referring to Harry. I presume he wont be doing school visits. And I wouldn't accept remuneration for sharing my experience of depression/anxiety or PTSD. It shouldn't be a source of income .


    Lucky you that you don't need to get paid and that you have another job. The people in Pieta House get paid for what they do (including the fundraisers that raise the money to help pay for the services).



    Why should he not get paid? What is he meant to live on? Harry will probably be visiting companies all over the US. He will be encouraging people to seek help paid for by the company they work for.


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    #3473
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    jm08 wrote: »
    Lucky you that you don't need to get paid and that you have another job. The people in Pieta House get paid for what they do (including the fundraisers that raise the money to help pay for the services).



    Why should he not get paid? What is he meant to live on? Harry will probably be visiting companies all over the US. He will be encouraging people to seek help paid for by the company they work for.

    Provided he is not too ashamed.


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    #3474
    dogbert27
    Registered Users Posts: 4,926 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    BettyS wrote: »
    There are some posts today that I wish that I could like more than once!

    I find it a bit galling that Harry has announced that he hopes to advance his pursuit of dedicating his life to helping others in this role. This is jarring when I think of how much money he will earn from this. He makes it sound like a charitable pursuit

    You're right, it is galling.

    If he is so selfless he could have advanced his pursuit of dedicating his life to helping others in his role as a member of the Royal Family but

    a) It comes across that he doesn't seem to like being the little brother of the future king
    b) he wouldn't be allowed make money out of it

    He's now becoming as much as a grifter as Donald Trump


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    #3475
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    dogbert27 wrote: »
    You're right, it is galling.

    If he is so selfless he could have advanced his pursuit of dedicating his life to helping others in his role as a member of the Royal Family but

    a) It comes across that he doesn't seem to like being the little brother of the future king
    b) he wouldn't be allowed make money out of it

    He's now becoming as much as a grifter as Donald Trump

    Well fuk me, a comparison between Harry and Donald Trump. WOW fuk me.

    Jesus Christ people bring Trump into everything. Y'all miss Trump terribly.

    SAD.


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    #3476
    Be right back
    Registered Users Posts: 6,177 ✭✭✭Be right back


    Saw this headline this evening.


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    #3477
    Purple Mountain
    Registered Users Posts: 13,177 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    Be right back wrote: »
    Saw this headline this evening.

    Jeez, generalise much?!

    To thine own self be true



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    #3478
    Be right back
    Registered Users Posts: 6,177 ✭✭✭Be right back


    Purple Mountain wrote: »
    Jeez, generalise much?!

    I know and very one sided too.


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    #3479
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,935 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Be right back wrote: »
    Saw this headline this evening.

    Well that’s charming isn’t it. If you have that point of view then lots of things by white people are open to misrepresentation.


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    #3480
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    jm08 wrote: »
    Lucky you that you don't need to get paid and that you have another job. The people in Pieta House get paid for what they do (including the fundraisers that raise the money to help pay for the services).



    Why should he not get paid? What is he meant to live on? Harry will probably be visiting companies all over the US. He will be encouraging people to seek help paid for by the company they work for.

    The people in Pieta House are professionals providing a professional service. Why should you be paid a small fortune for saying"this is my experience, this us what happened to me, this is what helped me, don't be ashamed in asking for help?' That shouldn't be a job. Besides, the kind if assistance Harry can access at a drop if the hat compared to most people is incomparable. Can you imagine what kind if 'help' is available to an uninsured person in the states? All that money being fired at 'raising awareness'. How about throwing it into the funding of facilities and services instead? What do you mean, how will he live? He's a soldier, isn't he? I imagine he obtained plenty of extremely useful and marketable skills in the military. True, they might not pay for a mansion, and the staff to clean it, cook for you, wash your clothes and drive you around, but you wont be hungry. And then there's the few mill Mammy left. Oh yeah, and his wife is a successful actor.


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    #3481
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    BettyS wrote: »
    Absolutely! I have read extensively on the basis of my loved-one’s struggles. There is a difference between the treatment and the maintenance phase. Sleep, Eat, Exercise and all the other bits will reduce the risk of recurrence in the maintenance phase. But they cannot 100% guarantee no recurrence. And in the treatment phase, they are an adjunct treatment. Other treatments are often necessary.

    My pet hate is people saying “sure, take a walk or deep breath and you’ll be grand”. Mental health is an illness. People wouldn’t be expected to walk on a broken leg or told that some app will fix it for them.

    I always worry when somebody speaks out and starts advising on mental health, that they may give erroneous advice. Harry does not have the qualifications to ensure that he is giving a balanced and safe advice to those people. He will have to tread carefully. Imagine, if he started coming out and giving advice on reducing risk of a heart attack. It is one thing him giving his personal account as somebody who experienced mental health issues. It will be another if he tries to give guidance on other people’s mental health

    Yeah, a friend of mine went through very serious mental health problems over a decade ago - we’re talking a very real suicide attempt here. Afterwards, he decided to train as a mental health counsellor and then realised it was too intense for him and not a good idea. Experiencing mental health problems doesn’t mean you’ll be any good at advising others on them.


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