Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

Munstergirl854

The allegation about the baby's skin colour was hugely damaging,especially as it was left open ended as to who might have said it,I'm actually surprised he said it.
There could have been a lot of context around that question, it could have been innocent.They weren't going to hold up a dulux colour chart when he was born to decide whether to give him a title or not lol.

Oprah creamed her knickers at that part.

Leroy42

Deeec wrote: »

I feel so sorry for Harry. He is like a lost Kitten. The family hopefully will welcome him back when it all goes wrong with Meg.

And they all lived happily ever after ......... Sadly I dont think so

I agree with all the points in your posts, expect for this one. I think Harry is lost, but I don't think returning to the family is going to be the answer.

Whatever about the ability of Megahn to control the media etc, clearly the issues with Harry go far beyond anything to do with her. She is being used a a scapegoat to avoid dealing with the RF lack of care for their son/grandson.

I do think that there is a strong likelihood of divorce in a few years. Mainly because of Harry. He still doesn't seem to know who he is, what he wants. And will he be the same person in 5 years time that Meaghan loves now?

yourdeadwright

So wait ………

Harry knows exactly what happened and went on with his own mother but bizarrely never spoke to his girlfriend/ fiancé about it and explained what she was getting into ?

She knew 100% what she was getting herself into ,

seamus

seamus wrote: »

Meghan had the audacity to stop returning his calls/texts and like any other sad obsessed egotist, he's using every platform he has to take revenge on her.

Very telling in the interview was that there was basically no mention of Philip at all except that Harry called the Queen when he heard.

When listing off the people he still loved and had a relationship with, Philip's name was left out of the list.

I reckon he's probably the main issue in most of this, he's been something of the Queen's attack dog for a long time, having conversations with staff that the Queen can't be seen to be having.

Comments asking what will they do if the baby comes out black are absolutely on-brand for Philip.

I would ordinarily not give a **** what's going on with the royals, but if the whole moronic farce is coming crashing down then I want a front-row seat.

Apparently it was neither the Queen or Philip who had concerns about the skin colour of the baby. Believe it was stated in interview. So that means it was likely younger royals. Eg William and Charles.

Deeec

Deleted User wrote: »

Apparently it was neither the Queen or Philip who had concerns about the skin colour of the baby. Believe it was stated in interview. So that means it was likely younger royals. Eg William and Charles.

Yes they did say after the interview that it wasnt the Queen or Philip who made the comment. Just an observation though - Harry mentioned his respect for his Grandmother several times in the interview never once mentioned his grandfather though.

Hurrache

Morgan continued to be a right piece of slimy **** this morning. I hope his co presenters make a push against him (much to the outcry of the whingers wailing cancel culture), look at this sexist piece of crap in the second video to a colleague.

https://twitter.com/chrisrickett/status/1369179989787238400

sligeach

PARlance wrote: »

Not really the slightest bit interested but I have to say that them being referred to as Ginger & Whinger gave me a chuckle.

What about sporty titles like Posh Ginger Spice and Scary Baby Spice?

walshb

Deleted User wrote: »

Apparently it was neither the Queen or Philip who had concerns about the skin colour of the baby. Believe it was stated in interview. So that means it was likely younger royals. Eg William and Charles.

I’ll tell you what happened:

Markle heard some innocent comment from “someone” relating g to skin color and twisted it her mind to use as some sort racist angle.

Or, she’s just making up a baseless claim that cannot be proved to be baseless..

Last night was simply two desperate attention seekers behaving like young children telling substance-less and vague tales about family members..

Pure tacky immaturity..

I am flabbergasted some people are actually falling for their pathetic display..

Hurrache

walshb wrote: »

I’ll tell you what happened:

Markle heard some innocent comment from “someone” relating g to skin color and twisted it her mind to use as some sort racist angle.

Or, she’s just making up a baseless claim that cannot be proved to be baseless..

Last night was simply two desperate attention seekers behaving like young children telling substance-less and vague tales about family members..

Pure tacky immaturity..

I am flabbergasted some people are actually falling for their pathetic display..

Walshb just can't help but be a contrarian for the sake of looking to rise people.

You'll find him doing it on any topic going, he does it for ****s and giggls and he has no convictions behind what he posts other than to try get a bit of fun for himself.

PalLimerick

MarkY91 wrote: »

It's 2021, go away with your anti british ****e. Go back to the 70s.

It's 2021, so. He's entitled to his or her opinion.

Rude comment.

Leroy42

walshb wrote: »

I’ll tell you what happened:

Markle heard some innocent comment from “someone” relating g to skin color and twisted it her mind to use as some sort racist angle.

Or, she’s just making up a baseless claim that cannot be proved to be baseless..

Last night was simply two desperate attention seekers behaving like young children telling substance-less and vague tales about family members..

Pure tacky immaturity..

I am flabbergasted some people are actually falling for their pathetic display..

I think it is beyond credulous that a family that is inherently exclusive, clearly has some members that are racist (Philip) is steeped in the view that One is better than others as a very core of their reasons to exist in the first place, feel comfortable that the family that one is born into is the deciding factor of ones position and value?

But you think racism is just a bit of a step too far?

SusieBlue

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

In fairness, there was nothing concrete to those rumours. It’s not true that the British press hasn’t reported on it. That’s where I read about it. And there was little of substance in any other country’s press on it either. I wanted to know more and looked and couldn’t find much at all. But maybe there is very little substance to the rumours and that’s why they haven’t elaborated. Reporting on an affair is far more life-changing that an article comparing Kate and Meghan’s outfits and eating habits so you really need to be sure. You seem to have made your mind up that he had an affair because of scant, vague details based on your last comment in the bolded bit. I find that incredible, to be honest.

That’s kind of the point though, there’s very little to no substance to most of the trash they print about Meghan either, and I’m not talking about avocado gate here, I’m talking about some of the more serious and damaging stories that have been released about it.

If there was even weak rumours of Harry or Meghan cheating, I can’t imagine the British press not running with it, regardless of how much truth was in it. I can’t imagine they would get the same treatment as William and Kate have gotten.

The undertone I got from everything was that the family sympathised with their situation, but were happy to have the focus off themselves, and weren’t willing to publicly speak up for any of the mistruths being spouted because they were quite happy for someone else to be the press ‘villain’.
They sacrificed them because they are terrified of being the next ones targeted.
And I guess it was a happy coincidence that it also reflected attention away from the allegations against Andrew, who continues to have their support despite what he has been accused of.

startrek56

piers morgan is a mouthpiece, he gives and gives and gives but cant take it back..

he was right behind Donald Trump before he got the POTUS and hit back against anyone who said anything bad against him when it was fairly clear to everyone what trump was... 2 years later they fall out and all he does is bash trump at any chance he gets

he is 100% wrong about Meghan, she says how she felt, he has no idea what that was.. did he go in as hard on Prince Andrew who did things 1000 times worse

Feisar

Who airs dirty family laundry like that? "Someone, we aren't going to say who, was concerned about the colour of the baby." How damaging is something like that? How do non whites in the UK feel about their monarchy making comments like that?

walshb

Hurrache wrote: »

Walshb just can't help but be a contrarian for the sake of looking to rise people.

You'll find him doing it on any topic going, he does it for ****s and giggls and he has no convictions behind what he posts other than to try get a bit of fun for himself.

Ok!!

wadacrack

Hurrache wrote: »

Morgan continued to be a right piece of slimy **** this morning. I hope his co presenters make a push against him (much to the outcry of the whingers wailing cancel culture), look at this sexist piece of crap in the second video to a colleague.

https://twitter.com/chrisrickett/status/1369179989787238400

Its a joke with a colleague. Nothing more. Bizarre take on this.

kippy

Am sure this kind of royal feuding etc has happened before in the past, just fck all people heard about it or had the means to hear about it.
They were probably busier trying to survive.

MarkY91

What's so racist about someone wondering about the baby's skin colour?

If myself and my Asian girlfriend have a baby, I myself will be curious about what the babies skin colour would be as would everyone I know.

Curiosity is now racist?

Hurrache

wadacrack wrote: »

Its a joke with a colleague. Nothing more. Bizarre take on this.

Lol, ok so.
Doesn't say much about your understanding of what a joke is all the same, I guess it's in the Roy Chubby Brown category. She really looked like she was having fun, so too did the other woman.

Wibbs

The bit that stood out for me, or at least the parts reported by the media as I couldn't be arsed watching the video itself, so I'm open to correction here; her family wasn't mentioned. They were a carcrash during this. Her oulfella trying to sell his story in and out of the news looking like a hobo, her sister(I think?) ditto and again open to correction on this out of all her relations only her mother was at the wedding. She appears to have been the only one who wasn't a nightmare in PR and actual terms.

I also don't believe for a nanosecond that she didn't google him, or know exactly who he is. That defies reason and credibility. That she didn't realise that the British tabloids would have a field day means she's either completely dense or I don't know what. Hell, he would have told her. The British tabloid press are utter scumbags so no shock there. They roasted the Kate one too, with references to her family being social climbers and her mother being a trolley dolly. The scrutiny on them was heavy duty too. The difference being that she's not an American and more one in in the media, so "did her duty" and kept her head down.

As for the royal family as an institution, in my humble when the queen dies that's pretty much game over and what's left will be much reduced. She embodies the whole setup and even embodies the whole queen and country and empire and old glories for the English national identity, or certainly that home counties little englander part of it, though I would say her as a symbol goes even beyond them in the English national psyche. She's the white cliffs of dover with a handbag. She's a conduit to and the last vestige of their "days of glory". Put it this way when pretty much anyone in the world says "The Queen" it's not the myriad of other women royals scattered about the place, it's her and when she's gone that will be a massive earthquake culturally for the British(mostly the English). She's essentially irreplaceable.

So in that sense him getting out now and trying to get a revenue and usefulness stream going is probably a good bet. If he'd stayed in the job, he may not have much of a job in ten years time.

yourdeadwright

Hurrache wrote: »

Walshb just can't help but be a contrarian for the sake of looking to rise people.

You'll find him doing it on any topic going, he does it for ****s and giggls and he has no convictions behind what he posts other than to try get a bit of fun for himself.

To mention that someone in a family made a raciest comment and not say who is a clear tactic to tarnish the whole family

Lillyfae

wadacrack wrote: »

Its a joke with a colleague. Nothing more. Bizarre take on this.

It's truly not. Piers Morgan commenting on my attire in that way would give me a not too nice feeling either.

Fairly obvious by those clips that not one of his colleagues can stand him by the way.

walshb

Leroy42 wrote: »

I think it is beyond credulous that a family that is inherently exclusive, clearly has some members that are racist (Philip) is steeped in the view that One is better than others as a very core of their reasons to exist in the first place, feel comfortable that the family that one is born into is the deciding factor of ones position and value?

But you think racism is just a bit of a step too far?

What racism?

There was a claim thrown around with zero evidence or substance other than the word of a woman who clearly craves the limelight.

Tarnished a whole institution with one claim. People, humans. Employees....

Can people not see how low this is, how clearly lacking standards?

Someone raised a concern about skin color. This is what was said. Nothing more or less, and people twist it to try and create this racism angle

No surprise at all. People tripping over themselves to find theses “issues” in society

The claim made against an institution that cannot defend themselves due to protocol..

A claim completely unchallenged by that waster, Oprah.

Hurrache

kippy wrote: »

Am sure this kind of royal feuding etc has happened before in the past, just fck all people heard about it or had the means to hear about it.
They were probably busier trying to survive.

C'mon, it was all over the tabloids in the 80s, 90s and 00s. It was everywhere.

sligeach

PalLimerick wrote: »

It's 2021, so. He's entitled to his or her opinion.

Rude comment.

It was rude, and as I explained, I'm not anti British, I'm anti monarchy.

Hurrache

walshb wrote: »

What racism?

There was a claim thrown around with zero evidence or substance other than the word of a woman who clearly craves the limelight.

Tarnished a whole institution with one claim. People, humans. Employees....

Can people not see how low this is, how clearly lacking standards?

Someone raised a concern about skin color. This is what was said. Nothing more or less, and people twist it to try and create this racism angle

No surprise at all. People tripping over themselves to find theses “issues” in society

The claim made against an institution that cannot defend themselves due to protocol..

A claim completely unchallenged by that waster, Oprah.

Cienciano

Deeec wrote: »

Yes they did say after the interview that it wasnt the Queen or Philip who made the comment. Just an observation though - Harry mentioned his respect for his Grandmother several times in the interview never once mentioned his grandfather though.

They both seemed to have a good relationship with the queen. It's clear the problem is with Charles. I think it's fine not mentioning who said it, especially if it was his dad or brother.

walshb wrote: »

I’ll tell you what happened:

Markle heard some innocent comment from “someone” relating g to skin color and twisted it her mind to use as some sort racist angle.

Or, she’s just making up a baseless claim that cannot be proved to be baseless..

Last night was simply two desperate attention seekers behaving like young children telling substance-less and vague tales about family members..

Pure tacky immaturity..

I am flabbergasted some people are actually falling for their pathetic display..

Just like the daily mail, change the story to fit whatever you made up in your head in order to come to the conclusion that Meghan is bad.

walshb

Hurrache wrote: »

seamus

Leroy42 wrote: »

I do think that there is a strong likelihood of divorce in a few years. Mainly because of Harry. He still doesn't seem to know who he is, what he wants. And will he be the same person in 5 years time that Meaghan loves now?

Harry is 36 though. He's not some kid who's leapt at the first chance of love. He is a grown man.

I don't disagree that the couple's shift from his world to hers is likely to cause him to rethink his sense of self, but we also have to avoid getting sucked into this narrative that she's a domineering megabitch and he's just a little lost puppy.

He's a grown man who's approaching the end of his prime. He is highly educated and spent many of his years being groomed for high-visibility public engagements and being taught to navigate the minefield of politics and media.

For anyone to think that he's just a naive boy easily led astray by a pretty woman, is ignoring reality.

The one thing I was thinking watching that interview is that if it was a front there were no plot holes. Every step of the story is consistent with what went on before. From her demonisation in the press, to thoughts of suicide, to Harry looking for a way to help, to their eventual quitting of the institution. Everything logically followed and made sense. There's no point where you're thinking, "Whoah that was an odd step to take", or "that makes no sense".

I have no doubt there is a sheen put on it. Everyone when presenting their story, will present their best side.

But there's no reason to doubt that the veracity of the main substance of it.

walshb

Cienciano wrote: »

They both seemed to have a good relationship with the queen. It's clear the problem is with Charles. I think it's fine not mentioning who said it, especially if it was his dad or brother.

Just like the daily mail, change the story to fit whatever you made up in your head in order to come to the conclusion that Meghan is bad.

Ok, let's give option 3

It was a nasty comment that was clearly offensive and racist...

Now, what was it, exactly, Markle? And who sad it, and when and where

See, throwing around these very dangerous accusations some casually without any evidence and substance is the issue here....

And Markle was allowed do it...

And people seem to want to fall for it..