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Be right back wrote: »I can't see how it's different from what she and Harry did in their interview with Oprah.
And he paid her students loans as well as co-paid for her first wedding but didn't deserve to be introduced to Harry.0 -
When Meghan married into the Royal family it was celebrated as a progressive move. It was seen as a modernizing development i.e. a foreigner, a celebrity, a divorcee marrying into an archaic institution and broadly welcomed. She was given a title; Her Royal Highness. Their wedding was a major event costing £32 million. She was given patronages tailored to her interests. She was given a home and a multi-million refurbishment. The hope was that she would be a global ambassador for youth. All told this was pretty much a fantastic development for Meghan. The popular Prince Harry, the perpetual bachelor, had finally settled down and all was well. Along with William and Kate they were styled as the Fab Four, the generation who would ultimately become the senior Royals in the family. Now anyone self-aware and devoid of any personality disorder would be quite happy with what happened to their life and be afforded the opportunity to forge a career and life within this dynamic. However, there was a problem. There is an element in the British media who are anti-monarchy. There is an element in the British media who criticize, attack and mock the Royal family collectively. Meghan marrying into the family was a god send to such elements. The Royal family, who have all been targeted by this gutter press, simply adopt a potent modus operandi called Never Complain, Never Explain. Their attitude is that paper never refused ink, negative coverage was inevitable, not everyone would love them but they wouldn't let the bastards get them down so to speak and certainly wouldn't challenge the nonsense consumer-baiting trash they print. For example, when the tabloids print stories about who made who cry then the Palace would never entertain tackling the tabloids about silly stories about arguments over children's tights. If they can drag you down to their level then they will always win in a tit-for-tat battle of wills where they are the winners because of a spike in selling their trash.
Two miscalculating factors came into play. One, the idea of them thinking they were the star attraction and, two, engaging in a legal battle with the gutter press. On the one hand, you had Harry and Meghan getting swollen heads. They were the power couple, the “popular” couple. Rules and Protocols were guidelines which could be bent and broken given their self-styled importance i.e. the Royal family need us more than we need you. I would think that when protocol for not giving their first child a Royal "Prince/Princess" title kicked in was when the proverbial toys began getting thrown out of the pram. Their child would not be entitled to one at that time and their place in the hierarchical structure of the family became obvious i.e. Meghan was married to the spare who would never be King. Again, someone who was well-adapted and self-confident would understand and accept this and their position. It’s the protocol, it is what it is. They would have the ability to engage in delayed gratification until Charles became King and the protocol would then give their children formal titles as they’d then be grandchildren of the Monarch. They would never be the leads so to speak and as with every other family member, the price of their entitlements was service to the Monarch. In time this would be Charles and William. In addition to this, there was the money. Harry, and Meghan, were dependent on the glorified pocket money provided by Charles from the income from the Duchy of Cornwall for their expenses. When Charles passes away then this income would come from his brother. Wouldn't it be better if he could earn his own keep? What say they propose a one-foot in and one-foot out model as the power couple in the family? Couldn't they serve and earn simultaneously? Why couldn't they exploit their global status and, say, promote good causes via paid promotions with companies and social media? The rationale would be that if they became financially independent under such a model then they wouldn't be reliant on the Duchy income. They could still serve but this would presumably be for worthwhile events befitting their “power couple” status and the opening of Hostels and Bedsits for the homeless could be reserved for the lower status, full time working Royals. However, the principle of not using their titles to earn privately kicked in hard. The idea of them getting private money while still utilizing public money was a non-runner. They were allowed to step back but it would have to come with conditions such as dispensing of formal titles. Again, anyone self-aware, well-adapted and genuinely wishing to step back would be satisfied with such an arrangement. They were afforded a full year to explore their plan, allowed to negotiate deals and also were afforded the open opportunity of moving back to full time service if it was a non runner. The Covid pandemic impacted their move and negotiations and deal making was curtailed. They pretty much fell off the radar in terms of news given the more important issue of the virus around the world. At the end of their year review, they formally stepped down.
So now with the prospect of building a brand, the personality disorder kicked in. The brand would need to be blemish free, it would need to be perfect. The rationale for stepping down couldn't be failure to adapt or disinterest in serving the Monarch. Some drummed up self-serving narrative would neatly deflect any accountability and throwing those who bent over backwards for them under the bus would be a coup de grace. In essence, they didn't want to leave, they had to leave. They would play the victim and this calculation failed to land with the general public.
While the gutter press would continually print stories from "sources" and "insiders" and build narratives about conflict and acrimony, the couple decided they needed to clear the air so to speak, they would wipe the slate clean, and would both complain and explain to Oprah Winfrey portraying themselves as victims, as well-meaning compassionate people who needed to escape an institution and a media juggernaut who were out to destroy them. This was the biggest miscalculation. The brand would likely focus on popular topics such as racism and mental health. The power couple would seek to become advocates of these topics. Meghan would conjure a narrative which suggested that she was not protected from the gutter press, that favoritism was at play, that their child would not be given a formal title, that this would consequently remove security, that the royal life was stifling and suffocating (i.e. it was a job) and that this was all racially motivated because she was a woman of color. Conversations were had about what color skin their child might have. She was suicidal, she felt imprisoned and she was given no help. She got out and is now thriving. She was the hero and the victim at the same time. All those no smoke without fire tabloid stories were now neatly explained away and anyone seeking to criticize her "truth" could be accused of being an apologist for racists and callously indifferent to someone who wanted to kill themselves, right? In explaining (and complaining) they opened themselves up to scrutiny and consequently the logical fallacies were all too obvious and the optics of a pair of multi-millionaires complaining about their lives was a jarring one for most particularly given the all encompassing Covid and how this had impacted people’s lives, mental health and their livelihoods. The immediate reaction from woke Hollywood was one of support. These are the people, the movers and shakers who matter to the couple. The public and the Royal family no longer mattered. However, reputation is everything and their miscalculation of attacking the press legally resulted in toxic coverage actually increasing, their pity party on Oprah left people cold and suspicious particularly when this was spitefully broadcast while the Duke of Edinburgh was in hospital and the Royal family was braced for a bereavement. Public sentiment is important to those power merchants and movers and shakers. If the public don't subscribe to their “brand” then those people and companies will simply not be interested in working with them. They are movers and shakers because of the general public. For the foreseeable future, they are facing the prospect of living in the celebrity doldrums as their reputations have through their deluded miscalculations taken a plunge and with bridges back to the Windsors utterly burned you wonder where can they go if Hollywood ultimately rejects them as the incited gutter press goes for the jugular in parallel.0 -
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We couldn't really expect them to, their house was very expensive and the poor darlings have to pay for their own security.Be right back wrote: »Are they giving any money to the fund?
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Be right back wrote: »Are they giving any money to the fund?
Good Lord No. donations will be matched by some charitable organisations.
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[Deleted User] wrote: »Good Lord No. donations will be matched by some charitable organisations.
Megs book has had its price slashed already £9.99 down from £12.99
They are really people who say do as I say, not what I do.0 -
When Meghan married into the Royal family it was celebrated as a progressive move. It was seen as a modernizing development i.e. a foreigner, a celebrity, a divorcee marrying into an archaic institution and broadly welcomed. She was given a title; Her Royal Highness. Their wedding was a major event costing £32 million. She was given patronages tailored to her interests. She was given a home and a multi-million refurbishment. The hope was that she would be a global ambassador for youth. All told this was pretty much a fantastic development for Meghan. The popular Prince Harry, the perpetual bachelor, had finally settled down and all was well. Along with William and Kate they were styled as the Fab Four, the generation who would ultimately become the senior Royals in the family. Now anyone self-aware and devoid of any personality disorder would be quite happy with what happened to their life and be afforded the opportunity to forge a career and life within this dynamic. However, there was a problem. There is an element in the British media who are anti-monarchy. There is an element in the British media who criticize, attack and mock the Royal family collectively. Meghan marrying into the family was a god send to such elements. The Royal family, who have all been targeted by this gutter press, simply adopt a potent modus operandi called Never Complain, Never Explain. Their attitude is that paper never refused ink, negative coverage was inevitable, not everyone would love them but they wouldn't let the bastards get them down so to speak and certainly wouldn't challenge the nonsense consumer-baiting trash they print. For example, when the tabloids print stories about who made who cry then the Palace would never entertain tackling the tabloids about silly stories about arguments over children's tights. If they can drag you down to their level then they will always win in a tit-for-tat battle of wills where they are the winners because of a spike in selling their trash.
Two miscalculating factors came into play. One, the idea of them thinking they were the star attraction and, two, engaging in a legal battle with the gutter press. On the one hand, you had Harry and Meghan getting swollen heads. They were the power couple, the “popular” couple. Rules and Protocols were guidelines which could be bent and broken given their self-styled importance i.e. the Royal family need us more than we need you. I would think that when protocol for not giving their first child a Royal "Prince/Princess" title kicked in was when the proverbial toys began getting thrown out of the pram. Their child would not be entitled to one at that time and their place in the hierarchical structure of the family became obvious i.e. Meghan was married to the spare who would never be King. Again, someone who was well-adapted and self-confident would understand and accept this and their position. It’s the protocol, it is what it is. They would have the ability to engage in delayed gratification until Charles became King and the protocol would then give their children formal titles as they’d then be grandchildren of the Monarch. They would never be the leads so to speak and as with every other family member, the price of their entitlements was service to the Monarch. In time this would be Charles and William. In addition to this, there was the money. Harry, and Meghan, were dependent on the glorified pocket money provided by Charles from the income from the Duchy of Cornwall for their expenses. When Charles passes away then this income would come from his brother. Wouldn't it be better if he could earn his own keep? What say they propose a one-foot in and one-foot out model as the power couple in the family? Couldn't they serve and earn simultaneously? Why couldn't they exploit their global status and, say, promote good causes via paid promotions with companies and social media? The rationale would be that if they became financially independent under such a model then they wouldn't be reliant on the Duchy income. They could still serve but this would presumably be for worthwhile events befitting their “power couple” status and the opening of Hostels and Bedsits for the homeless could be reserved for the lower status, full time working Royals. However, the principle of not using their titles to earn privately kicked in hard. The idea of them getting private money while still utilizing public money was a non-runner. They were allowed to step back but it would have to come with conditions such as dispensing of formal titles. Again, anyone self-aware, well-adapted and genuinely wishing to step back would be satisfied with such an arrangement. They were afforded a full year to explore their plan, allowed to negotiate deals and also were afforded the open opportunity of moving back to full time service if it was a non runner. The Covid pandemic impacted their move and negotiations and deal making was curtailed. They pretty much fell off the radar in terms of news given the more important issue of the virus around the world. At the end of their year review, they formally stepped down.
So now with the prospect of building a brand, the personality disorder kicked in. The brand would need to be blemish free, it would need to be perfect. The rationale for stepping down couldn't be failure to adapt or disinterest in serving the Monarch. Some drummed up self-serving narrative would neatly deflect any accountability and throwing those who bent over backwards for them under the bus would be a coup de grace. In essence, they didn't want to leave, they had to leave. They would play the victim and this calculation failed to land with the general public.
While the gutter press would continually print stories from "sources" and "insiders" and build narratives about conflict and acrimony, the couple decided they needed to clear the air so to speak, they would wipe the slate clean, and would both complain and explain to Oprah Winfrey portraying themselves as victims, as well-meaning compassionate people who needed to escape an institution and a media juggernaut who were out to destroy them. This was the biggest miscalculation. The brand would likely focus on popular topics such as racism and mental health. The power couple would seek to become advocates of these topics. Meghan would conjure a narrative which suggested that she was not protected from the gutter press, that favoritism was at play, that their child would not be given a formal title, that this would consequently remove security, that the royal life was stifling and suffocating (i.e. it was a job) and that this was all racially motivated because she was a woman of color. Conversations were had about what color skin their child might have. She was suicidal, she felt imprisoned and she was given no help. She got out and is now thriving. She was the hero and the victim at the same time. All those no smoke without fire tabloid stories were now neatly explained away and anyone seeking to criticize her "truth" could be accused of being an apologist for racists and callously indifferent to someone who wanted to kill themselves, right? In explaining (and complaining) they opened themselves up to scrutiny and consequently the logical fallacies were all too obvious and the optics of a pair of multi-millionaires complaining about their lives was a jarring one for most particularly given the all encompassing Covid and how this had impacted people’s lives, mental health and their livelihoods. The immediate reaction from woke Hollywood was one of support. These are the people, the movers and shakers who matter to the couple. The public and the Royal family no longer mattered. However, reputation is everything and their miscalculation of attacking the press legally resulted in toxic coverage actually increasing, their pity party on Oprah left people cold and suspicious particularly when this was spitefully broadcast while the Duke of Edinburgh was in hospital and the Royal family was braced for a bereavement. Public sentiment is important to those power merchants and movers and shakers. If the public don't subscribe to their “brand” then those people and companies will simply not be interested in working with them. They are movers and shakers because of the general public. For the foreseeable future, they are facing the prospect of living in the celebrity doldrums as their reputations have through their deluded miscalculations taken a plunge and with bridges back to the Windsors utterly burned you wonder where can they go if Hollywood ultimately rejects them as the incited gutter press goes for the jugular.
has he or she or have both been diagnosed with a personality disorder now? and if so, is there a link to this diagnosis?ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.
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Be right back wrote: »They are really people who say do as I say, not what I do.
I think this is what they mean by 'activations'. They see themselves as activating others to charitable acts, like some kind of inspirational catalyst, they're just so fantastic, we all want to follow their lead!0 -
Sardonicat wrote: »I think this is what they mean by 'activations'. They see themselves as activating others to charitable acts, like some kind of inspirational catalyst, they're just so fantastic, we all want to follow their lead!
Possibly but it seems that they aren't giving anything to the fundraiser, just expecting others give something instead.0 -
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end of the road wrote: »has he or she or have both been diagnosed with a personality disorder now? and if so, is there a link to this diagnosis?
That's simply my own summary of what happened.
Quite simply, if it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck then guess what? It's a duck. That doesn't require any diagnosis. It is a ready made deflective excuse to demand certifications when the plainly obvious is in plain sight. It's pretty obvious that some cluster B personality disorder is going on there. I've never met anyone who has had a formal diagnosis for a personality disorder. That doesn't mean they aren't afflicted though and despite no diagnosis does it mean that they are of sound mind. Do you have to be an auto mechanic to know when an engine needs a service? You need to be a qualified one to actually diagnose the issue in order to go and fix it but anyone can still grasp there is generally something "wrong" with the engine.
You can't deny that for a couple who espouse compassionate "activation" that they had a brilliant platform given to them. How does that get screwed up? A personality disorder. I mention in the post that someone well adjusted, self-aware and not utterly tone deaf would have been a success in the supporting role. They would have grabbed their portion of the divvied up compassionate and charitable pie and made it their own. It was the Monarch who wanted Meghan to spearhead the Youth part of that pie. Someone without an obsessive need to play perfect would grasp that the gutter press aren't worth the fight and that most worthwhile people know they are deplorable scum. Their swollen heads inflated their sense of worth and when their having their cake and eating it too demands weren't met, when their pathway to millions was curtailed, then out came the predictable spite to cover and absolve themselves of any culpability for what is a fracturing in the Royal family. Again, those with ordered personalities would not have even flirted with the thought of engaging with Oprah unless they were bent of destroying relationships. They'd have embraced the private life they desired. It's the utter lack of acknowledging their own conduct or failings which should have anyone's alarm bell's ringing.0 -
Be right back wrote: »Possibly but it seems that they aren't giving anything to the fundraiser, just expecting others give something instead.
That was my point.0 -
The wording of the letter to her father is almost poetic in its irony. Herself and her father are cut from the same cloth.
“It is with a heavy heart that I write this, not understanding why you have chosen to take this path, turning a blind eye to the pain you’re causing.
Your actions have broken my heart into a million pieces - not simply because you have manufactured such unnecessary and unwarranted pain, but by making the choice to not tell the truth as you are puppeteered in this. Something I will never understand.
You’ve said I never helped you financially and you’ve never asked me for help with is also untrue; you sent me an email last October that said: ‘If I’ve depended too much on you for financial help then I’m sorry but please could you help me more not as a bargaining chip for my loyalty’.
If you love me, as you tell the press you do, please stop.
I have only ever loved, protected, and defended you, offering whatever financial support I could worrying about your health…and always asking how I could help.
So the week of the wedding to hear about you having a heart attack through a tabloid was horrifying.
I called and texted… I begged you to accept help - we sent someone to your home…and instead of speaking to me to accept this or any help, you stopped answering your phone and chose to only speak to tabloids.
Please stop lying, please stop creating so much pain, please stop exploiting my relationship with my husband…
I realise you are so far down this rabbit hole that you feel (or may feel) there’s no way out, but if you take a moment to pause I think you’ll see that being able to live with a clear conscience is more valuable than any payment in the world.
I pleaded with you to stop reading the tabloids. On a daily basis you fixated and clicked on the lies they were writing about me, especially manufactured by your other daughter, who I barely know.
For some reason you continue fabricating these stories, manufacturing this fictitious narrative, and entrenching yourself deeper into this web you’ve spun.
You watched me silently suffer at the hand of her vicious lies, I crumbled inside.
We all rallied around to support and protect you from day one, and this you know.
So to hear about the attacks you’ve made at Harry in the press, who was nothing but patient, kind and understanding with you is perhaps the most painful of all.
For some reason you continue fabricating these stories, manufacturing this fictitious narrative, and entrenching yourself deeper into this web you’ve spun.
The only thing that helps me sleep at night is the faith and knowing that a lie can’t live forever.
I believed you, I trusted you, and told you I loved you.
You haven't reached out to me since the week of our wedding, and while you claim you have no way of contacting me, my phone number has remained the same.
This you know. No texts, no missed called, no outreach from you - just more global interviews you’re being paid to do and say harmful and hurtful things that are untrue."-0 -
retro:electro wrote: »The wording of the letter to her father is almost poetic in its irony. Herself and her father are cut from the same cloth.
“It is with a heavy heart that I write this, not understanding why you have chosen to take this path, turning a blind eye to the pain you’re causing.
Your actions have broken my heart into a million pieces - not simply because you have manufactured such unnecessary and unwarranted pain, but by making the choice to not tell the truth as you are puppeteered in this. Something I will never understand.
You’ve said I never helped you financially and you’ve never asked me for help with is also untrue; you sent me an email last October that said: ‘If I’ve depended too much on you for financial help then I’m sorry but please could you help me more not as a bargaining chip for my loyalty’.
If you love me, as you tell the press you do, please stop.
I have only ever loved, protected, and defended you, offering whatever financial support I could worrying about your health…and always asking how I could help.
So the week of the wedding to hear about you having a heart attack through a tabloid was horrifying.
I called and texted… I begged you to accept help - we sent someone to your home…and instead of speaking to me to accept this or any help, you stopped answering your phone and chose to only speak to tabloids.
Please stop lying, please stop creating so much pain, please stop exploiting my relationship with my husband…
I realise you are so far down this rabbit hole that you feel (or may feel) there’s no way out, but if you take a moment to pause I think you’ll see that being able to live with a clear conscience is more valuable than any payment in the world.
I pleaded with you to stop reading the tabloids. On a daily basis you fixated and clicked on the lies they were writing about me, especially manufactured by your other daughter, who I barely know.
For some reason you continue fabricating these stories, manufacturing this fictitious narrative, and entrenching yourself deeper into this web you’ve spun.
You watched me silently suffer at the hand of her vicious lies, I crumbled inside.
We all rallied around to support and protect you from day one, and this you know.
So to hear about the attacks you’ve made at Harry in the press, who was nothing but patient, kind and understanding with you is perhaps the most painful of all.
For some reason you continue fabricating these stories, manufacturing this fictitious narrative, and entrenching yourself deeper into this web you’ve spun.
The only thing that helps me sleep at night is the faith and knowing that a lie can’t live forever.
I believed you, I trusted you, and told you I loved you.
You haven't reached out to me since the week of our wedding, and while you claim you have no way of contacting me, my phone number has remained the same.
This you know. No texts, no missed called, no outreach from you - just more global interviews you’re being paid to do and say harmful and hurtful things that are untrue."-
not at all.
that letter is a daughter reaching out to her father, appealing for him to give up his nonsense and to reach out to her in a proper manner and to stop hurting her.
shows that whatever her faults she isn't anything like him really.
hopefully he will grow up and stop the nonsense.ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.
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end of the road wrote: »not at all.
that letter is a daughter reaching out to her father, appealing for him to give up his nonsense and to reach out to her in a proper manner and to stop hurting her.
shows that whatever her faults she isn't anything like him really.
hopefully he will grow up and stop the nonsense.
Shocked that you would disagree end of the road :rolleyes:
Every single point she has detailed there and shamed for being so hurtful is something she has engaged in herself, while a dying man lay in hospital. She is the peel of her father. Both two cheeks of the same arse. Please don’t even bother replying with your predictable “no it’s not because it’s not” response. I can’t be bothered.0 -
Be right back wrote: »Possibly but it seems that they aren't giving anything to the fundraiser, just expecting others give something instead.
Ah, the old "Do as I say, not as I do" approach.
I really think this is all going to backfire spectacularly for them. Meghan, a former actress/former royal nobody in her 40s, and Harry crawling home with his tail between his legs destined to get all the shıtty public engagements if allowed back into public life.0 -
end of the road wrote: »not at all.
that letter is a daughter reaching out to her father, appealing for him to give up his nonsense and to reach out to her in a proper manner and to stop hurting her.
shows that whatever her faults she isn't anything like him really.
hopefully he will grow up and stop the nonsense.
That letter is a person writing for an audience. It was always intended to be "leaked", just another sympathy gaining exercise. Who speaks like that in real life to people close to them (or anyone lol)? Its so cringe.0 -
I think Harry is gone for good, but he won't survive in America and will worm his way back to England
The royals don't seem to be too keen on taking him back.
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retro:electro wrote: »Shocked that you would disagree end of the road
Every single point she has detailed there and shamed for being so hurtful is something she has engaged in herself, while a dying man lay in hospital. She is the peel of her father. Both two cheeks of the same arse. Please don’t even bother replying with your predictable “no it’s not because it’s not” response. I can’t be bothered.
but that is ultimately it, she isn't like the father, because she has tried to avoid hurting people when she spoke about her life as part of the rf, now realistically she wouldn't be able to completely avoid hurting someone, but it wasn't a specific intent to hurt anyone via her speaking out.
the reason she didn't name the individual at the centre of the racism allegation was because she didn't want to hurt them, which would suggest that she recognises that they didn't ask about the color of the baby to hurt meghan or harry, but still did engage in racism which they should learn from.That letter is a person writing for an audience. It was always intended to be "leaked", just another sympathy gaining exercise. Who speaks like that in real life to people close to them (or anyone lol)? Its so cringe.
different people speak in lots of different ways, we don't all speak the same, even in the same specific situations.
the way one may speak in a given situation will be cringe to you and the way you speak in a given situation may be cringe to someone else, i guess that is just the world we live in.Government buildings wrote: »I think Harry is gone for good, but he won't survive in America and will worm his way back to England
The royals don't seem to be too keen on taking him back.
Hard to know where he will end up.
he will be fine TBH.
i think even if the royal family did want him to return as a working member he would say no, he has experienced what it is like outside that life and i think wouldn't want to return.
what will happen is he will repair relations with the rest of the family, to be honest relations didn't seem to bad at prince phillip's funeral all though i'm sure he was very much told that they were disappointed in him, so realistically it looks like things are on track for reparation.ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.
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end of the road wrote: »the reason she didn't name the individual at the centre of the racism allegation was because she didn't want to hurt them, which would suggest that she recognises that they didn't ask about the color of the baby to hurt meghan or harry, but still did engage in racism which they should learn from.
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end of the road wrote: »she turned her back on her father because he tried to imotionally black mail her and kept selling stuff to the media.
and has it been proved he was actually sick? my understanding is that is that there were questions over it.
look, thomas markle actually doesn't deserve your sympathy, he brought this all on himself and he knows what he needs to do if he wants a relationship with his daughter.
behave like a proper parent.
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end of the road wrote: »but that is ultimately it, she isn't like the father, because she has tried to avoid hurting people when she spoke about her life as part of the rf, now realistically she wouldn't be able to completely avoid hurting someone, but it wasn't a specific intent to hurt anyone via her speaking out.
the reason she didn't name the individual at the centre of the racism allegation was because she didn't want to hurt them, which would suggest that she recognises that they didn't ask about the color of the baby to hurt meghan or harry, but still did engage in racism which they should learn from.
different people speak in lots of different ways, we don't all speak the same, even in the same specific situations.
the way one may speak in a given situation will be cringe to you and the way you speak in a given situation may be cringe to someone else, i guess that is just the world we live in.
he will be fine TBH.
i think even if the royal family did want him to return as a working member he would say no, he has experienced what it is like outside that life and i think wouldn't want to return.
what will happen is he will repair relations with the rest of the family, to be honest relations didn't seem to bad at prince phillip's funeral all though i'm sure he was very much told that they were disappointed in him, so realistically it looks like things are on track for reparation.
She didnt have to do the interview in the first place, if she didn't want to hurt someone. It seems to have been done to hurt.
Or she could have asked for the broadcast to be delayed, since Philip was unwell.
Bu not naming the person, all she's done is smear more widely, by putting more people in the family under suspicion. If she really thinks that's racist, she's creating the impression that it's widespread in the royal family, instead of saying that whoever this was was an exception. I'm sure she's savvy enough to know what she's doing there.0 -
No no no. Let me stop you there. Are you seriously of the opinion that she did the interview with the intention of harming no one? How can you say that with a straight face?end of the road wrote: »but that is ultimately it, she isn't like the father, because she has tried to avoid hurting people when she spoke about her life as part of the rf, now realistically she wouldn't be able to completely avoid hurting someone, but it wasn't a specific intent to hurt anyone via her speaking out.
the reason she didn't name the individual at the centre of the racism allegation was because she didn't want to hurt them, which would suggest that she recognises that they didn't ask about the color of the baby to hurt meghan or harry, but still did engage in racism which they should learn from.
She didnt name the "racist" person because she couldnt, it would be hearsay (the conversation was with harry, not her). She was very careful to avoid possible legal repercussions. Instead, she tars the all senior RF with the racist brush. Make no mistake, she was striking out against them. She has zero interest in being kind or diplomatic. The entire interview was a f*ck you to the RF whilst also an attempt at promoting her and her brand.
Also, do we know the comment was even racist? To me its not clear cut but she took it as racist. If she really didnt want to do any harm then she could have had a private conversation with the person and discussed it like an adult.
It could have been a totally innocent question taken badly out of context. We dont know and likely we never will.
This is one of those situations where if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck, chances are its a duck.
Except in this case, the duck is a skilled, manipulative narcissist.0 -
I feel sorry for Archie and his future sibling. He seems to be cut off from the world. No close family really on both sides.0
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The whole situation is incredibly sad. At the end of the day there is now this HUGE rift between two brothers that will probably never fully heal. Will & Kate have a lifetime of worry about what will come out from Harry & Megan.
I can't imagine having to live in fear that my conversations with my sibling will end up being shared with media outlets. Not seeing my nieces and nephews.
I don't think the BP would take Harry back if we wanted to return, and eventually the US public which is their main audience now, will tire of them. Someone else newer and shinier will come along, as is the way in Hollywood.
I wonder how long it will take for their titles to be taken? Best doing it soon so you can get the outrage out of the way in one fell swoop. Then hopefully in the next year or two you will hear little about H&M.0 -
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Ms. Newbie18 wrote: »I wonder how long it will take for their titles to be taken? Best doing it soon so you can get the outrage out of the way in one fell swoop. Then hopefully in the next year or two you will hear little about H&M.
Their titles have been taken. The HRH title is the one that differentiates them from the Royal family and that went last year along with their royal patronages. They'll be the Duke and Duchess of Sussex until they die regardless. Even in the event they divorce, she is still entitled to retain the title of Duchess of Sussex.0 -
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Leg End Reject wrote: »Ah, the old "Do as I say, not as I do" approach.
I really think this is all going to backfire spectacularly for them. Meghan, a former actress/former royal nobody in her 40s, and Harry crawling home with his tail between his legs destined to get all the shıtty public engagements if allowed back into public life.
I can see him returning home and like the Prodigal Son he will be accepted back eventually. Everyone knows he is not the brains behind all of this. He is a nice but dim poodle being whipped around the place on a leash.0 -
The interview is one of her biggest mistakes. All her past behaviours were just rumours and gossip but the interview really showed her and Harry in a negative light, never mind having to backtrack on some of the things discussed in it.0
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I don't know, I don't think Harry is a stupid as people would like to believe. I 100% think he happy to play dumb..0
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