Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

Cienciano

Good article here showing 20 articles from British newspapers showing how Meghan was treated differently from Kate.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-double-standards-royal

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retro:electro wrote: »

Because the whole thing was about clarifying the perpetuated mistruths, by perpetuating a lot of their own. It was all about showcasing Meghan as a saintly delicate little flower who has never put a foot wrong or upset anyone in her life. Everything had her placed firmly in the centre as victim #1. If she had shown some humility herself or even acknowledged that maybe she didn’t act in the right way at times herself it may have warmed me to her somewhat. But I’m always suspicious of people who present themselves as nothing other than victims of everyone else’s hand. It’s almost always never true.

I could not agree more.

Somebody upthread said that Meghan just wasn’t very likeable. I have to agree. That doesn’t excuse any of the crappy things that have happened to her of course. But why isn’t she likeable? For me there’s a lack of humility and an ever-present tendency to lean into victimhood. Nothing is ever her fault. Anyone I’ve personally known with that trait is a self-absorbed nightmare. She called herself courageous in the interview. I slightly cringed at that. That’s for others to say, Meghan.

partyguinness

Losing one's mother is such public way and at that age would of course have been devastating.

I formed the view years ago that Harry is quite emotionally needy and desparate for a strong women. I could not help but think he was very keen to get married and rushed into it.

Fake Scores

Morgan's walk out was as pre-planned, rehearsed and inscincere as everything in the Oprah interview.

It's all a soap opera. The Royal Family and the media circus around it.

If Morgan ever ran into Merkle they would get on like a house on fire. Drinking champaign they would laugh at how their respective lifestyles are propped up by all the stupid plebs beneath them.

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Neyite wrote: »

Is it really plausible though, that being married to a man who's the patron of a few mental health charities, that he wouldn't have a number in his phone for a very discreet, excellent MH professional for his pregnant suicidal wife? Especially when he was well able to strongly advocate for her over a sodding tiara by having a massive tantrum at his grandmother's closest friend?


I'm not doubting she struggled - the press and pressure had to have been insane. But Harry surely had a contact that could be counted on to do discreet house calls.

Well, that was my point really. She wouldn’t even have had to say anything to Harry. A GP can get the ball rolling.

nj27

Meghan's every bit the C!

partyguinness

Even Kate Middleton was castigated for not being from the right background even though she was from a millionaire background. The fact of the matter is a bi racial divorced American does not fit the narrative and never will.

It really is quite pathetic.

Cienciano

partyguinness wrote: »

Even Kate Middleton was castigated for not being from the right background even though she was from a millionaire background. The fact of the matter is a bi racial divorced American does not fit the narrative and never will.

It really is quite pathetic.

I think that's pretty much it. Unless she was some meek daughter of some rich UK family with a title she was always going to be targeted by the media. By media, I mean the scummy uk tabloids.

cnocbui

Neyite wrote: »

She never said she had PND or depression. She said she had issues with her mental health- so could be any kind of diagnosis. PND or in her case Pre-natal depression is directly related to a hormonal imbalance caused by pregnancy or childbirth. She was fairly clear in her interview that the mental health issues stemmed from external factors such as the media and lack of support within the family and not related to her pregnancy.

In any case I can't believe that Harry couldn't make a phone call and arrange some discreet help for his pregnant suicidal wife regardless of what the person who supposedly blocked the request said. It's clear he's fiercely protective of his wife on all fronts so why didn't he find the number of a therapist for her? He had to have loads from his patronage.

And once again I ask you, what help do you think some 'therapist' is going to provide via a house call? All this Harryy should have done ths.. I can't believe Harry didn't have a phone number - as if that phone is a magic f*****g wand and a bloody wizard will turn up and -poof - all fixed. Doesn't work like that, unfortunately.

Had I been Harry, I'd have paid Johnathan Harmsworth a social visit.

Concretejungle

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

“I’m not feeling well, I need a GP visit” - and then speak to the GP about it, who would not be able to breach her privacy.

A GP is not a Counsellor and his job would be to just send her on to one and she wasn't allowed by the Royals to go to one so how could she secretly go.

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Neyite wrote: »

Harry "I was never allowed to ride a bike as a royal" Windsor


This isn't a bike either nor is this or this



No bike for meee




Maybe they were telling the truth about never googling themselves or each other because 2 mins on a slow broadband connection and I found those.

LOL. :pac:

Urm, is it weird that I didn’t know that Prince Edward existed until reading this thread? That dude keeps a low profile. I genuinely thought it was just Charles, Anne and Andrew.

retro:electro

Cienciano wrote: »

I think that's pretty much it. Unless she was some meek daughter of some rich UK family with a title she was always going to be targeted by the media. By media, I mean the scummy uk tabloids.

I think no matter who Harry decided to marry the press would have raked her over the hot coals and back again. They did it to Camilla, Diana, Kate, even Beatrice and Eugenie have had some awful, awful things written about them and really derogatory things said about their looks. It was always going to be this way, unfortunately. Meghan just made some things a little easier for the papers to ridicule, like the ridiculously extravagant baby shower or the Wimbledon fiasco. Women in that institution are given a ridiculously hard time no matter who they are, it was never going to be any different for Meghan, nor was she specifically singled out and targeted due to her colour like she seems to think. If anything she was just being treated the exact same as every other woman gone before her; ie awfully. The only female who seems to be well respected and given a comparably easy time is Zara and that’s by and large because she seems to do her own thing as Anne never wanted them to have titles. There’s an element of “we pay for you so we can say what we like about you” that is so pervasive in the UK media

Itssoeasy

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I have to agree its from a bygone era


I wonder when the Queen is gone will they struggle to keep the whole thing going ,

That’s the big question in all of this. I mean other royal families around Europe seem to have continued on but I think the queen has been this constant in my British people’s life’s and when she is no longer there I do wonder how they hold together. The people seem to like William and Kate but the problem is they aren’t next in line.


Whatever the royal family say next(and they have to say something) may determine the future of the whole thing which is why it’s probably taking awhile for them to get it together.

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Concretejungle wrote: »

A GP is not a Counsellor and his job would be to just send her on to one.

I know that. Did I indicate that I think a GP is a counsellor? I’ve been through severe clinical depression. Your GP is the best starting point. They can refer you to specialists and prescribe antidepressants. And they can’t breach your privacy. Meghan was on such a short leash that she couldn’t visit a GP? I don’t believe that.

Str8outtaWuhan

Only half of Elizabeths grandchildren have taken the prince/princess title , just andys and charlies kids. Eddies and annies haven't.

Ms2011

Neyite wrote: »

Harry "I was never allowed to ride a bike as a royal" Windsor


This isn't a bike either nor is this or this



No bike for meee




Maybe they were telling the truth about never googling themselves or each other because 2 mins on a slow broadband connection and I found those.

I don't think he meant he never went on a bike ride I think he was more referencing being able to spontaneously get on his bike and go for a ride like your child or mine would do.
In his life every little detail had to be pre planned or it was a photo op or they were trying to avoid paparazzi. Archie, it seems is enjoying a more down to earth upbringing and that's what he did not have as a child not necessarily bike rides.

Itssoeasy

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

Only half of Elizabeths grandchildren have taken the prince/princess title , just andys and charlies kids. Eddies and annies haven't.

Well Edwards kids could have but Edward didn’t want them to have them apparently which is fair enough. Anne’s didn’t because their father didn’t have one and it’s passed from father to children. Another stupid rule in a weird system.

Also, I know this is about the British royal family but the Norwegian royal family have it that the eldest son is next in line regardless of whether he’s the oldest. The British royal family aren’t unique in have backward rules in a overall backward way of life.

cnocbui

I think he meant real bike rides, not happy family posed photo opportunites.

There must be aroyal bike polisher. Mine were a bit shabbier.

walshb

Ms2011 wrote: »

I don't think he meant he never went on a bike ride I think he was more referencing being able to spontaneously get on his bike and go for a ride like your child or mine would do.
In his life every little detail had to be pre planned or it was a photo op or they were trying to avoid paparazzi. Archie, it seems is enjoying a more down to earth upbringing and that's what he did not have as a child not necessarily bike rides.

Yes, the life of royalty and service.

They belong to the state, the people

I never got the slagging them off as being wasters and that...

No amount money would see me want that type life.....

The Queen for example: She has pretty much dedicated her whole life to others. Owed by others and charged by others. Extraordinary workload and committment to be still going after 70 years or so,,,,remarkable.

I have a huge respect for that type of dedication. It cannot be easy, no matter how much privilege there is; she still has to be the Queen and do it all. She's only a person.

Even all that bloody fussing over you would drive you mad.....no real freedom....

jrosen

I was eager to watch the interview last night but cant say I was shocked at anything they had to say. Even though I never really gave the royal family or the business side of it a second thought I always assumed it to be an incredibly controlled environment. I cant see how it could operate otherwise.

I dont believe she was as naive as she was trying to portray. William was married so Harry would have/should have seen the demands on their relationship? Perhaps Harry thought it would be different as he was not next in line? Who knows?

I do find it hard to accept she was vocal about needing help and they more or less told her no can do but equally its possible.

Dempo1

It's incredulous millions of people are taken in with this S****. Fed by media frenzy, it astonishes me that few see through what this is, basically lining Harry's and Megan's pockets. I've no doubt there's a double standard within the Disfunctional Royal family but Please, these too are hard done by and struggling with life? It's vomit enducing stuff and throwing in Mental anguish is just offence. Whilst hard to ignore with incessant media coverage, I've zero interest in watching this tripe and I hope it back fires spectacularly on these two Parasites.

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cnocbui wrote: »

I think he meant real bike rides, not happy family posed photo opportunites.

There must be aroyal bike polisher. Mine were a bit shabbier.

Yeah, in fairness, those photos are all posed. But surely they would have had vast gardens to cycle around in? Or would they have been worried about overhead paps?

partyguinness

McGinniesta wrote: »

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If there is support for the dismantling of the British Monarchy by the British people then I don't see why it wouldn't be discussed openly at a national level. Surely the decision should lay with the British people rather than with the royal family themselves.

I live in England and I don't see any appetite for dismantling the monarchy. It is quite safe. It is a very large part of the national psyche. The Brits will keep it out of sheer stubbornness.

It's a warm cosy blanket that make the Brits feel good about themselves.

chin nuts

cnocbui wrote: »

And once again I ask you, what help do you think some 'therapist' is going to provide via a house call? All this Harryy should have done ths.. I can't believe Harry didn't have a phone number - as if that phone is a magic f*****g wand and a bloody wizard will turn up and -poof - all fixed. Doesn't work like that, unfortunately.

Had I been Harry, I'd have paid Johnathan Harmsworth a social visit.

I totally agree with this. I'm sure Harry had plenty of numbers he could have rang. But what then? Speak to somebody then go back into the sh!t situation that put you in that mindset. She needed to be taken out of there and fair play to him he had the balls, unlike his brother and father to take his wife out of that insidious institute.

Dual wheels

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Hewitt met Diana 2 years after Harry was born...

Yea I’m sure she did, she was up on him for a lot longer than than according to her butler, people go on about Diana as this amazing person but in my opinion she was a spoilt self centered wagon who rode all round her when it suited her, she also dumped her kids with the relatives and nannies when she wanted to go ridin and live the high life, then, very same as Megan, dissed the royals when she didn’t get it hey way
It’s amazing how like Diana Megan is only Megan is smarter than di and Harry is dimmer than Charles
These people know exactly what they are getting themselves in for from the moment they start dating a royal, just look at that fine bit Harry used to date, Chelsea something, she didn’t want the hassle so broke off with Harry so why would Megan marry in to the royals then p1ss and moan about them... because she just used the notoriety to make money, she’s a real wrong one and she will end up leaving Harry when it suits her

walshb

Dempo1 wrote: »

It's incredulous millions of people are taken in with this S****. Fed by media frenzy, it astonishes me that few see through what this is, basically lining Harry's and Megan's pockets. I've no doubt there's a double standard within the Disfunctional Royal family but Please, these too are hard done by and struggling with life? It's vomit enducing stuff and throwing in Mental anguish is just offence. Whilst hard to ignore with incessant media coverage, I've zero interest in watching this tripe and I hope it back fires spectacularly on these two Parasites.

The mental health angle has people torn...

Her casually bringing it up has done nothing but a disservice to Mental Health

...the deliberate casualness of it tells me that it is bogus. People are missing this point.

If she was genuine, and decent, and concerned, she would not have brought it up during the interview in the manner she did. It was reckless casualness. There are many many people listening to her every word and she talks about ending her life....what hope and positivity is that bringing people who may well be suffering real anguish?

To me it read like "Sure, if Megan can be almost ready to die with her life and her status, what hope is there for me."

She had no need other than attention to bring up ending her life...

She could easily have said that the situation made her feel sad and in need of comfort etc, but no, that wasn't enough to tell the wold...she had to go even further with the suicide angle.....

Reckless in my view, and I am amazed people can't see it.

partyguinness

walshb wrote: »

The mental health angle has people torn...

Her casually bringing it up has done nothing but a disservice to Mental Health

...the deliberate casualness of it tells me that it is bogus. People are missing this point.

If she was genuine, and decent, and concerned, she would not have brought it up during the interview in the manner she did. It was reckless casualness. There are many many people listening to her every word and she talks about ending her life....what hope and positivity is that bringing people who may well be suffering real anguish?

To me it read like "Sure, if Megan can be almost ready to die with her life and her status, what hope is there for me."

She had no need other than attention to bring up ending her life...

She could easily have said that the situation made her feel sad and in need of comfort etc, but no, that wasn't enough to tell the wold...she had to go even further with the suicide angle.....

Reckless in my view, and I am amazed people can't see it.

It does seem like a cheap shot. "Let's work the mental health angle. Sure nobody can/will question it."

Sandor Clegane

While I understand the skepticism people have with Harry and Meghans sincerity I can't for the life of me understand the sympathy the RF is getting, an utterly horrible institution who are unrivaled at being fakes.

partyguinness

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

While I understand the skepticism people have with Harry and Meghans sincerity I can't for the life of me understand the sympathy the RF is getting, an utterly horrible institution who are unrivaled at being fakes.

I don't see them as fake. That would imply a concerted level of indepth thought.

Rather than fake, they seem utterly boring and shallow.

walshb

partyguinness wrote: »

It does seem like a cheap shot. "Let's work the mental health angle. Sure nobody can/will question it."

Yes,

And the mental health angle wasn’t sensational enough for her.

Ending her life/suicide she throws out...

Straight to death...

Absolute reckless. But even worse. Deliberate to get the desired effect.