Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

Lisha

comnent By valoren above really hits the nail on the head

Mr.KarateII

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118950778#Comment_118950778

This visit is most likely a "Is my inheritance secure? It is? Cool. Peace Out" than one of a grandson seeing his ailing Grandmother and possibly saying his goodbyes.

Mr.KarateII

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118953183#Comment_118953183

You see that with alot of celebrities. They're delusional to the extreme. They think we need them to tell us what to do and what to think.

HildaOgdenx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118953505#Comment_118953505

Harry and Meghan take that to a new level entirely I think. Both the delusions and the 'do as I say and not as I do.'

I hope they swam over to the U.K. and onwards to the games.😉

Multipass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118953802#Comment_118953802

It’s was a worthy private flight, after all they needed to be photographed with the Ukrainian team.

Neyite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118953472#Comment_118953472

If Andrew got that kind of bailout for his scandal, their inheritance was probably quite secure all right.

He got about what, 30m of personal wealth from his mother (and the Queen Mother) originally when he came of age, his wife had 6m or so in her bank account, they reportedly blew through most of that, the eejits on their big gaff.

Luckily Philip helpfully obliged in a timely manner by shuffling off his mortal coil and while his will was kept private, he reportedly left 30m to three staff members so you can only imagine what Harry and the others will have received. That should see them through until the Queen pops her clogs (within the next 4 years maximum) and with her 365m personal fund up for grabs, (Andrew's settlement probably scarcely knocked a dent in the interest) They should be nice and flush until Charles with his net worth of 100m to divide by 2 pops his royal clogs. He's in his seventies so that will be nice and timely for their own pension years.

It's not really about money. It's not enough for them to be just rich folk. Or even just titled rich folk. That's too common even for them. They need to be billionaire rich, titled, Royal, and universally worshipped by all for every word they utter. If they aren't, they'll believe they are anyway and demand you do likewise. Anything less for these two narcissists just won't do.

Some strange comments from Harry in that article. I wonder what he meant by ensuring the Queen is protected and has good people? Why would that be a concern of his. Perhaps it's something to do with Andrew? He is supposedly Elizabeth's favourite so in her company a lot. Or it's just a dig at his dad and brother.

Then there was the comment about how Diana had set William up and is now doing the we for him. Wha. From the grave? Or her influence in their lives, being their mother and the positive ways in which that impacted upon them.

Harry I think is a complex character. I don't believe that what we saw of him in the past was not the real him but PR managed. It think there are many shades of grey within the man. Same as us all and of course we grow and evolve and move backwards and sideways in ourselves and our lives.

That's what we see with Harry. He has made a series of choices some of which, in my view, come from unresolved trauma. He is angry and hurt. It's sad to see how those feelings are manifesting without any care for the affect on his family.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118956339#Comment_118956339

She is clearly getting bad advice or not taking good advice.

Having the non sweating one front and centre at Westminster a few weeks back was utterly disgraceful, even by Royal Family standards.

Lisha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118957024#Comment_118957024

I believe she’s not taking the advice she is getting re Andrew especially.. I lost a lot of respect for her when I saw him front and centre with her

backwards_man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118955387#Comment_118955387

The queen's net worth would largely be made up of the estimated value of Balmoral and Sandringham both which she ownes personally. Those would easily account for 50% of her total net worth and it will be interesting to see if she leaves them to The Crown rather than personally pass them to her children or grandchildren. I could see Andy selling them for cash if he was given the chance after she passes!

Her actual cash/investments divided by 4 children and 8 grand children (if she leaves them anything) minus the charity and non family bequeths she leaves would likely leave Harry with no more than around 10 million I would think. Andy will be setup for the rest of his life. Charles estate of 100M, plus his inheritance from the queen, I cant see where he would have that much, unless his Dad left him a chunk of cash, he doesnt own the Dutchy of Cornwall, and he likely spends most of the income it generates yearly. He might bequeth more to Harry than William since William will be King. Would Harry get more than around 20 million? Tax would be due on both inheritances. The markles wont go hungry but it doesnt leave them with anything close to their ongoing expenses over a 10 year period I would think. And if she divorces him she will get 50% of it all.

Multipass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118957652#Comment_118957652

She’s 96! I’d say she’s either been shielded from the worst of his scandal, or she’s not fully able to understand. He should have had enough sense to keep a low profile. I’d say all the advisors are pulling out their hair at this stage. I wonder if he’s who Harry had in mind when he mentioned the Queen having good people around her.

Neyite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118958320#Comment_118958320

She may be 96 but there's not even a whiff of a suggestion that she's mentally impaired though. And I don't think they hid anything from her, but I do think that if she doesn't know the whole story that she herself may have chosen not to hear the nitty gritty details of Andrew's antics.

She's old school and it's not the first time that she's displayed the dogged determination to follow typical palace protocol when it's at odds with the public wishes. She's from a time where Royals' behaviour did get brushed under the carpet, and Andrew is just her spoiled brat who can do no wrong in mummy's eyes.

She's dealt her otherwise favourable legacy a blow by making it clear she's standing by him. It's also made republicans out of those who didn't have much time for the RF but respected her so she's done the monarchy damage. There's quite a lot who were indifferent about the royals but now feel that the monarchy should die off when she does.

Addle

She’s like any other Mammy really, that has their golden child and that’s it.

Be right back

Protection indeed!

Kaybaykwah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118960289#Comment_118960289

That’s not nice. Think of how poor vipers will feel about that.

Be right back

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118960554#Comment_118960554

Sorry, I forgot they can read!

Kaybaykwah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118960561#Comment_118960561

They can't, but they can overhear someone reading it, and throw a proper fit. In spite of their reputation, they are very sensitive.

dogbert27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118960289#Comment_118960289

That picture is class.

Meghan's face is like "oh ****, I can't believe he's actually saying what I told him to say!"

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118960268#Comment_118960268

Ah yeah, doing his ironing, always cooking dinners, paying millions to silence trafficked rape victims.

Standard stuff.

tara73

I don't like this judgement how she behaves towards Andrew. It's still her son and it's her decision how she handles the situation. She still loves him. We don't judge a 'normal' mum who's still keeping contact and still loves her serial killer son, so the Queen is nothing else here: a mother.

and who know's what really happened? Nobody except Andrew. He might not be the most likable guy for us just seeing him on televison and what he's supposedly doing but judging like this is just arrogant fmpov.

Itssoeasy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118960268#Comment_118960268

Andrew seems have landed on his feet but I doubt very much his brother and nephew would’ve been so helpful and I think when the queen does clock off, that Andrew will go back to out of sight.

Neyite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118963972#Comment_118963972

Either they are accountable to their public for their conduct, or they aren't. She's welcome to support him in private, and welcome to spend any amount of her own money on paying off his victims, but the public who are supposed to look up to the RF don't have to like it, or have any respect for her if she does that.

But they absolutely do have the right to expect that at official royal occasions which are funded by the State, that the Duke of York is not front and centre of proceedings.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118963972#Comment_118963972

and who know's what really happened? Nobody except Andrew.

And that lady he "never met" who his family paid millions to.

HildaOgdenx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118973534#Comment_118973534

It will be interesting to see what approach will be taken for the Jubilee celebration.

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118973610#Comment_118973610

I wonder will she make it? She certainly won't be very active for it.

HildaOgdenx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118973799#Comment_118973799

She seems to have become very frail alright.

bertiebomber

I think the Queen is fading fast and her lack of judgement is showing .. She should not have accepted a visit fronm harry & that woman or allowed Andrew to taking centre stage at the memorial only weeks after borrowing 12 million to settle his little digression. I think she should let Charles have his couple of years on the throne from now, but William will be the next good monarch. Harry needs his titles & andrew needs his titles all to be taken away in a show of respect for the British public who essentially pay their way . Exile Harry & that woman & sadly Andrew too. She is frail & in her last months I think she might even die before her jubilee. But she is no longer fit to make decisions and this lack of judgement will finish the monarchy.

walshb

Harry worries about a woman with 70 years serving her country. A 96 year old super -woman. And he’s concerned that she’s protected! Chap is fooking deluded!

valoren

To me it's a case of Harry saying he doesn't approve of Andrew without saying he doesn't approve of Andrew being literally around the Queen as part of the savior/messiah complex he has been putting on display recently. The Queens latest public appearance was a memorial service for Prince Philip. It marked Andrews first public appearance since settling his sex abuse case (i.e. giving millions to a woman he says he has never met). Needless to say in terms of PR he is poison. So the images of the frail Queen not only escorted to her pew by Andrew but him also sitting beside her for the service poses the questions as to who approved of this so soon after the negative headlines and coverage of Andrew, who approved giving him such a centre stage so recently after the negative headlines.

Harry has made the point before that his family are "trapped" and are beholden to the whims, guidance and influence of the grey suits who are ostensibly cogs in the Royal machine but, to his mind, are the people actually in charge. He referred to a meeting with the Queen which was subsequently cancelled to give substance to this. Harry might feel that if the snakes in the grass can influence the Queen to cancel planned dinners with the Sussexes during media coverage of Megxit then, it follows that they can also influence the Queen about how bad the PR would be to, regardless of her personal feelings for her purported favorite, have Andrew centre stage during the memorial. That this wasn't done, and considering the backlash stemming from it, gives an indication that the Queen wasn't protected. Sure the Queen might think that this was a private family service and wants to seperate family from the duty but given the seriousness of the Andrew case then either he should have blended into the background of his own accord or else, if he kicked up a fuss, told to by either Charles or William, the heirs. The Queen is 96 and Charles and William will be monarchs after she is gone and so their opinions hold weight about the current optics and PR for the monarchy and how consequential such optics will mean in the years ahead. To have Andrew influencing the Queen for the remainder of her natural life are egg shells those two need to step on with the Queen. Harry, to my mind, is implying that this isn’t being done.

He gave this interview after meeting with the Queen. Andrew and Harry are counsellors of state. Perhaps he was informed that his role as counsellor, in a slimmed down monarchy, is no longer required as he lives in California now and isn't a working Royal anymore. Given the implied appearance of a favored Andrew at the memorial then it could also be a case of Harry skating to where the puck will be in that regard i.e. when/if the news of his status as counsellor of state emerges that he has put his capacity to be protective on the table given how free he is from such a trapped bubble and the influence of the grey suits. Considering how Charles and William fumbled the bag with Andrew being stage centre at the memorial then that's perhaps his gambit here.

HildaOgdenx

So the images of the frail Queen not only escorted to her pew by Andrew but him also sitting beside her for the service...

He did escort her but wasn't actually beside her for the service because they were seated in age order, so first herself, then Charles and Camilla, Anne and her husband, then yer man across the aisle, beside Edward. He arrived in the car with her and obviously left again with her. It did naturally, annoy and anger lots of people in the U.K. - many of whom probably never said a word against her before.

Coming in the side door eliminated the need for the celebrants to meet and greet him, and was obviously easier for her because of her frailty and the cameras were positioned at the main door.

The optics of it, nonetheless were dreadful. I am guessing though that 96 or not, frail or not, she would tell Charles and William where to get off if they tried to dissuade her. She would probably remind them that she is still the one in charge. Her name is still over the door so to speak.