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Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,081 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    harry is not stupid, he wanted her and he got her and he knows whatever she actually is, whatever that may be.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    Yeah, exactly, Z-celebrity does Z-celebrity... aspiring to be A



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,178 ✭✭✭Be right back


    Well..




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    5 days?! I don't think she has too much to be concerned about. I think they're being a bit elastic with the term "stroke".



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,178 ✭✭✭Be right back


    It doesn't, to be fair. Maybe he discharged himself due to the cost?!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    That's possible, of course. But if he's able to discharge himself 5 days after a serious stroke he's doing amazingly well. He could have suffered a "mini-stroke" (TIA), and 5 days would be about right for that once blood pressure etc is stable. But "stroke" sounds more dramatic and serious and is more headline friendly.



  • Administrators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,947 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Neyite


    The Queen should ban them from attending the jubilee altogether. Everybody would understand at this stage.

    She can't though. To preserve the monarchy the Queen has to be seen to embody the principle of hereditary status. It's also why Andrew might get stripped of a few medals that he didn't earn and were honourary anyway, but he'll never get stripped of his dukedom. Because if he did get stripped for his transgressions, then it opens the door to other titled folk getting stripped of theirs for other transgressions.. and if you can strip a duke of his title, well, you can strip a king or queen of theirs if the public appetite was there for it down the line.

    By banning H&M, she would effectively be giving the signal that despite their right to be there due to their titles and status within the family, they can be deemed to be not royal enough to attend. And if a Duke and Duchess, grandson of the reigning monarch /son & brother of the subsequent ones, isn't royal enough to be included, then it could also follow that a fair swathe of them should also not make the cut. Then people would wonder why on earth we have random titled royal folk who seem to do nothing and people will wonder what those idle layabouts get from the public purse. And that's too near the slippery slope to republicanism for comfort. The monarchy need the public to believe that H&M will remain Duke and Duchess, will remain royal, no matter what they do. And they also need people to see them still as royal - just not 'working' royals.

    They are smart enough as a bunch to realise that much of the goodwill of the British public comes from the queen pretty much being older than most of her subjects and like the nations granny so they are fond of her, even if they hate everything a monarchy stands for. And they are smart enough to see that Charles and William dont have a fraction of that goodwill and fondness she has.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,478 ✭✭✭valoren


    His grandmother is the head of state for the fifth largest economy in the world. The Sussexes are non entities in that regard, they are simply not on the same level. Of course the Queen would always be inviting them to the Jubilee but as "much loved members of the family". Drawing the line at appearing on any balcony is adhering to her previous instruction that they can't have half in/half out. The Sussexes have been engaged in media games since Megxit whereas the BRF have been stolidly grey rocking them. It has worked and thus we get the cringeworthy "excited and honored to attend" statement. They have accepted that their gambit has failed. They have been put in their place. They have tried but they have failed to launch stateside. They are becoming the butt of jokes and what impetus they initially had when they moved is now severely diminished. Harry comes home for the Jubilee and see his brother's regiment trooping the color while he will be there without his regalia in a civilian suit while those holding the actual power, those literally on the money, stand on a balcony. A balcony he feels he should be on. He should be but he won't be because he's a dope.

    My guess is that the invite also has meaning behind it. To refuse to invite would have been a gift to the Sussexes and their PR narrative i.e we wanted to be there but the meanies disinvited us. The Sussexes couldn't turn it down either as they need the association. All parties here understand the optics involved. The BRF know it will be humiliating for Harry and Meghan to be seen anywhere near those who supposedly made their lives so insufferable. The Sussexes, and anyone else, will see a clear distinction and (literal) elevation between the treatment of William and Kate and their kids against the Sussexes and theirs. William is an heir after all. Harry and Meghan will pose, they will smile, wave, applaud etc. But then what? They'll go back to the US and continue hustling, eeking out relevance and reducing themselves to a reality/docu series about their lives with it all being a major comedown from the pomp, grandeur and spectacle of what they walked away from and which happily continues apace in their absence. Knowing how the tabloids work though then we'll still see those ridiculous puff piece articles in the media about "sweet nods", about how Harry is Charlotte's hero, private meetings with their children with Liz etc. It will all be done (and likely paid for from diminishing funds) with the actual intent of softening their acute loss of status in the juggernaut BRF/monarchy. The BRF don't need to tell them they're out. Harry and Meghan will absolutely know it.

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  • Administrators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,947 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Neyite


    The way that the Dutch Royal Family failed to send out an invite to them to stay during the Invictus Games was very telling.

    Everyone took them at their word that they didn't want the trappings of royal life (they did, they just wanted to monetise it, while also being selective on what royal duties they took on) so it must have been galling to rock up to the Netherlands and not get the royal welcome normally given to fellow visiting royals. It's a shunning, the royal equivalent of being unfollowed on Instagram.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,024 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    yeah it was so hastily arranged there was really no time to grieve as a "mom" or as the sugar plum fairy, it's vile.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭cezanne


    What antics do you think they will get up to to be seen on the balcony? I think they will allow the kids to run a round and oops they run onto the balcony and megan has to run onto it to catch them and so has harry. Also possible names for their reality series:

    When Harry met No one !!

    The Mother-wife of Montecito



  • Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭cezanne


    The good old woke archebishop has been bumped off the celebration for his behaviour and delay in outing the lies of harry & megan KARMA. Biggest celebration of the monarch in her reign and he has Covid which has long since departed i think he is merely put in his place with the title covid to save face.



  • Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭cezanne


    No she is not one bit concerned as it wont generate dollars. However if Fox / CNN news offered her dollars to visit him with their news cameras she would carry onions in order to be sure to cry unlike amber heard who forgot her onions in court and couldnt even squeeze out one genuine tear !! These toxic breed of women they do a dis service to normal decent empathetic females.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Covid is very much still around.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭tara73


    just read, they just arrived in the UK. They only have a small team of security with them and they left their most important staff in the US, Doria Ragland (mum of MM) is with them...they will stay in Frogmore Cottage. Also there was written they don't have a schedule of own events to not distract from the jubilee...sounds good, but can't deny I'm giggling inside and am curious how it will pan out in reality...I mean, there's MM involved...🤣



  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I see Megan was watching proceedings from one of the windows - but not a sign of Prince Andrew- a funny image came into my mind of him rearranging his teddy bears whilst everyone else was attending the celebrations 😂😂😂





  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,033 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx




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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,033 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx


    I thought the same.

    Harry must be really feeling bad about all he walked away from. They are being kept very much out of sight, and not getting much mention in coverage, I believe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,047 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    So Andrew and the archbishop have succumbed to Covid at such an inopportune time.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,047 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Poor Meggers might be struck by a Fiat Uno ...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,751 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Randy Andy was hoping for a dose of COVID14.

    Still it's proof positive that COVID is rampant in schools 😉



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,081 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    i would imagine he doesn't feel any way bad.

    he walked away from it for good reason and that reason still exists.

    there is no reason for him to feel any way bad for walking away, it will be the making of him if it hasn't been already.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,033 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,478 ✭✭✭valoren


    It bears repeating that Harry wanted the so called half in/half out arrangement. Despite all the subsequent grievances this crucial little "we still want to serve the institution on a part time basis" nugget tends to get lost. He even said he was sad to step down despite his wife (according to them) experiencing racism, lacking support/protection against the media, having suicide ideation, getting silenced, having her keys and passport taken away effectively imprisoning her, not getting asked if she’s ok etc.

    His presence (preferably on the Balcony/waving from carriages) at high profile events like the Trooping of the Colour and having the capacity to go back home and trade off the optics of such association is exactly what he wanted all along. He was a "much loved member of the family" who was given a year to contemplate what he wanted to do with himself and he is where he is because of his own decisions. Now he is relegated to the background (i.e. watching from a window as the working Royals work) like his other Royal peers who funnily enough seem, in contrast, to be quite content with their lot and posess none of the drama or paranoia.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,178 ✭✭✭Be right back


    People look delighted to see them!




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