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Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

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    #1412
    Ms2011
    Registered Users Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    walshb wrote: »
    What?

    Sorry, I have yet to see Kate on any talk show or do any interview whatsoever that disses Markle..

    Am I missing something?

    Yes you are, no one in the RF came to Meghan defense when that article was written they allowed her name to be slandered by an incident they all knew was false.
    Their silence on the matter was deafening, omitting facts is just as bad as bare faced lying.


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    #1413
    Nqp15hhu
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Nqp15hhu


    BettyS wrote: »
    Now her friends are claiming that she has emails and messages to back up her claims. If she has this evidence, it is best to call it out, and let people to judge with the correct context. This information would be in the public interest. I don’t see why the friends make these claims but then refuse to back them up.

    The thing that upsets me in all of this is an allegation against another person, without giving any evidence or information to corroborate this

    Which completely contradicts her point in court where she said texts were automatically deleted in 3 months.


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    #1414
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 55,701 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    anewme wrote: »
    Why are others called Kate and Harry and others called Markle? Are we to believe that Markle is used in this instance as a mark of reverance, given that its pretty safe to say this poster cant stand her.

    The views expressed and the level of dislike are very similar to those expressed by Piers Morgan.

    Poster has said here on this thread that he supports and agrees with Piers Morgan's stance, so it is a fair comparison.

    I agree with Piers. I don’t believe her claim of being suicidal

    I also agree that her behaviour here is contemptible

    As is Harry’s.


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    #1415
    BettyS
    Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭BettyS


    Ms2011 wrote: »
    Yes you are, no one in the RF came to Meghan defense when that article was written they allowed her name to be slandered by an incident they all knew was false.
    Their silence on the matter was deafening, omitting facts is just as bad as bare faced lying.

    The royal family never comment on individual stories. They didn’t comment on many of the stories about how Kate was “waity Katie” or “common.” That is their MO. Like it or not, it is a fairly consistent MO


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    #1416
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,947 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    walshb wrote: »
    My last line is what Meghan should have said about the crying claim: She should have simply said it is completely false that I made Kate cry. And left it there.

    Ok, fair enough, that's your view. I don't see any issue in setting the record straight, if its true.


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    #1417
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 55,701 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Ms2011 wrote: »
    Yes you are, no one in the RF came to Meghan defense when that article was written they allowed her name to be slandered by an incident they all knew was false.
    Their silence on the matter was deafening, omitting facts is just as bad as bare faced lying.

    The Royal Family do not engage in petty squabblings with the media..

    This hardly needs to be pointed out.

    Centuries of history will tell you this..


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    #1418
    Ms2011
    Registered Users Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    Leg End Reject wrote: »
    And of course, they wouldn't lie and pretend it wasn't planned and rehearsed.

    OR they didn't lie and it really wasn't rehearsed? You're just making assumptions.


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    #1419
    Leg End Reject
    Registered Users Posts: 17,047 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    One thing we should all agree on, Harry, Meghan and Piers all got publicity and people talking about them.

    A successful mission all round.
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    #1420
    joe40
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    walshb wrote: »
    Once trust has been betrayed and broken it can be very difficult to repair

    Harry, because he is blood, may have some hope of repair/return

    But you absolutely could not allow someone like Markle back...

    Has proved herself clearly to be devious and agenda driven.

    Completely unsuited to being a member of a royal family..

    No style, class or temperament for the role..

    "Style class and temperament" are you for real?

    Nothing classy about Prince Andrew, nothing classy about the way Diana was treated.

    The Royal family are a multi million pound tourist attraction. How anyone can take them seriously is beyond me.


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    #1421
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 55,701 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    anewme wrote: »
    Ok, fair enough, that's your view. I don't see any issue in setting the record straight, if its true.

    You don’t see any issue with her goi g the extra yard to “rat” out Kate here?

    I would be the exact same if Kate did this..

    FFS, show some bloody decorum and loyalty...


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    #1422
    BettyS
    Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭BettyS


    Nqp15hhu wrote: »
    Which completely contradicts her point in court where she said texts were automatically deleted in 3 months.

    I worry in a society where we can condemn somebody guilty of a crime without hearing any of the evidence or other person’s account.

    I am actually neutral towards the couple. But I feel the need to challenge people who think that the world is binary, and that Harry and Meghan are always the good guys and victoms


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    #1423
    Princess Calla
    Registered Users Posts: 5,912 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    anewme wrote: »
    I heard people going on about the Archbishop but I missed that! Will have to google.

    Meghan said that they were married 3 days prior to "the wedding"

    However I got the impression it was more a personal vow exchange as she said they have "their" vows to each other framed.

    They may feel that that was their own private wedding, however probably not legally binding.

    Then they had "the" wedding where I presume the traditional vows were said.


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    #1424
    Leg End Reject
    Registered Users Posts: 17,047 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Ms2011 wrote: »
    OR they didn't lie and it really wasn't rehearsed? You're just making assumptions.

    You're making assumptions it wasn't. Rehearsals are common, and it was a perfect performance by all of them.
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    #1425
    Ms2011
    Registered Users Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    BettyS wrote: »
    The royal family never comment on individual stories. They didn’t comment on many of the stories about how Kate was “waity Katie” or “common.” That is their MO. Like it or not, it is a fairly consistent MO
    walshb wrote: »
    The Royal Family do not engage in petty squabblings with the media..

    This hardly needs to be pointed out.

    Centuries of history will tell you this..

    If they wanted to they could have easily i.e. "a 'source' claims Meghan never made Kate cry etc."
    How do you think the story got in the newspaper in the first place.


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    #1426
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Ms2011 wrote: »
    Yes you are, no one in the RF came to Meghan defense when that article was written they allowed her name to be slandered by an incident they all knew was false.
    Their silence on the matter was deafening, omitting facts is just as bad as bare faced lying.

    How do you know they all knew it was false? You are only hearing one side of the story, remember. Maybe it’s true she made Kate cry? It’s highly likely they both upset each other. I’d wager Kate was very upset that Meghan was insisting her little girl not wear tights or socks while wearing uncomfortable shoes. Why would such a trivial thing even matter? It’s such an insignificant detail to warrant such control over.
    Only one seemed to have the decency to apologise, however.
    In any event, Meghan realistically expect The Palace to be contacting the daily mail on the regular to correct their stories?


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    #1427
    Ms2011
    Registered Users Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    Leg End Reject wrote: »
    You're making assumptions it wasn't. Rehearsals are common, and it was a perfect performance by all of them.

    No I'm not, they said as much.


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    #1428
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,947 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    walshb wrote: »
    You don’t see any issue with her goi g the extra yard to “rat” out Kate here?

    I would be the exact same if Kate did this..

    FFS, show some bloody decorum and loyalty...

    Not really to be honest.

    Where a false story has been told people often want to shout out their innocence.

    Its fairly normal I would have thought.

    People dont like being blamed in the wrong and would feel very strongly about that. I get that.


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    #1429
    BettyS
    Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭BettyS


    joe40 wrote: »
    "Style class and temperament" are you for real?

    Nothing classy about Prince Andrew, nothing classy about the way Diana was treated.

    The Royal family are a multi million pound tourist attraction. How anyone can take them seriously is beyond me.

    The claims against Andrew are truly sickening.

    However, it is not because somebody is totally wretched, that other things cannot be deemed wrong. Nobody in their sound mind is trying to equate Andrew and Meghan.

    Watching a real family disintegrate before our eyes (the royal family) is sad. They are not just a commodity, but also people.

    And I am not by any stretch a monarchist! But I can see them as humans, separate from the monarchy. Their pain makes me sad


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    #1430
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 55,701 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    joe40 wrote: »
    "Style class and temperament" are you for real?

    Nothing classy about Prince Andrew, nothing classy about the way Diana was treated.

    The Royal family are a multi million pound tourist attraction. How anyone can take them seriously is beyond me.

    Whatever way you want to look at it, the woman was clearly not suited for royalty, as she has clearly proved here..

    And instead of getting out, like she has, and shown some ounce of decency and decorum and dignity, she goes running to the worlds media spilling the beans..

    Pure trashy behaviour.

    And the same for Harry. Both showed contemptible behaviour here.


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    #1431
    BettyS
    Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭BettyS


    Ms2011 wrote: »
    If they wanted to they could have easily i.e. "a 'source' claims Meghan never made Kate cry etc."
    How do you think the story got in the newspaper in the first place.

    And perhaps it was one of the dress-makers that leaked it. You are making assumptions for which you deride others for


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    #1432
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 55,701 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    anewme wrote: »
    Not really to be honest.

    Where a false story has been told people often want to shout out their innocence.

    Its fairly normal I would have thought.

    People dont like being blamed in the wrong and would feel very strongly about that. I get that.

    Fair points.


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    #1433
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,053 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    walshb wrote: »
    My last line is what Meghan should have said about the crying claim: She should have simply said it is completely false that I made Kate cry. And left it there.

    What a ridiculous opinion.

    She should have done exactly what she did - set the record straight.

    Your position is people should keep the truth hidden and put up with bullying so others can have a smoother path in life - truly Piers couldn't have come up with anything dafter.
    Revealed: How Kate was ‘left in TEARS after Princess Charlotte’s bridesmaid dress fitting' in the run-up to Meghan’s wedding – amid rumours of a rift between the sisters-in-law


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    #1434
    BettyS
    Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭BettyS


    Princess Calla wrote: »
    Meghan said that they were married 3 days prior to "the wedding"

    However I got the impression it was more a personal vow exchange as she said they have "their" vows to each other framed.

    They may feel that that was their own private wedding, however probably not legally binding.

    Then they had "the" wedding where I presume the traditional vows were said.

    You are giving an interpretation. But when it comes to it, it could be easily interpreted as the Archbishop committing a crime. I would be very careful and direct with my language, if I thought that it could be misinterpreted as an allegation against somebody. Why put the Archbishop’s reputation at stake?


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    #1435
    Multipass
    Registered Users Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    retro:electro wrote: »
    How do you know they all knew it was false? You are only hearing one side of the story, remember. Maybe it’s true she made Kate cry? It’s highly likely they both upset each other. I’d wager Kate was very upset that Meghan was insisting her little girl not wear tights or socks while wearing uncomfortable shoes. Why would such a trivial thing even matter? It’s such an insignificant detail to warrant such control over.
    Only one seemed to have the decency to apologise, however.
    In any event, Meghan realistically expect The Palace to be contacting the daily mail on the regular to correct their stories?

    You’d think Meghan would be embarrassed to talk about that, it shows her up as a bit of a Bridezilla. Stories starting to emerge now from her staff about being bullied by her.


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    #1436
    BettyS
    Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭BettyS


    Multipass wrote: »
    You’d think Meghan would be embarrassed to talk about that, it shows her up as Somewhat of a Bridezilla. Stories starting to emerge now from her staff about being bullied by her.

    And these allegation need to have the same burden of evidence that I would expect from any claims by Meghan.

    And once we have the evidence, then we can decide on the balance of probabilities what is the more likely scenario


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    #1437
    Ms2011
    Registered Users Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    retro:electro wrote: »
    How do you know they all knew it was false? You are only hearing one side of the story, remember. Maybe it’s true she made Kate cry? It’s highly likely they both upset each other. I’d wager Kate was very upset that Meghan was insisting her little girl not wear tights or socks while wearing uncomfortable shoes. Why would such a trivial thing even matter? It’s such an insignificant detail to warrant such control over.
    Only one seemed to have the decency to apologise, however.
    In any event, Meghan realistically expect The Palace to be contacting the daily mail on the regular to correct their stories?

    It wasn't Kate's wedding, suck it is buttercup and leave off the sock/tights. How in God's name does anyone even know how comfortable or otherwise the child's shoe's were?
    First it's completely believable that Meghan made Kate cry but as soon as seems like maybe it was the other way around all of a sudden the narrative changes to 'oh well they probably upset each other. Is it not not possible that Kate behaved badly and Meghan deserved the apology?


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    #1438
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 55,701 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    cnocbui wrote: »
    What a ridiculous opinion.

    She should have done exactly what she did - set the record straight.

    Your position is people should keep the truth hidden and put up with bullying so others can have a smoother path in life - truly Piers couldn't have come up with anything dafter.

    Truth hidden?

    By refuting an allegation...

    And, if you’re are so concerned about the actual truth, then would you not wait to hear Kate’s version?

    You are 100 percent ready to believe the truth provided by Meghan? Without hearing the other side?

    But guess what, Kate won’t be doing these trashy dissing interviews..


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    #1439
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,947 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    walshb wrote: »

    And instead of getting gout,

    Ahhh now here! :pac:


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    #1440
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,053 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    walshb wrote: »
    Whatever way you want to look at it, the woman was clearly not suited for royalty, as she has clearly proved here..

    And instead of getting gout, like she has, and shown some ounce of decency and decorum and dignity, she goes running to the worlds media spilling the beans..

    Pure trashy behaviour.

    And the same for Harry. Both showed contemptible behaviour here.

    Are you angling for a knighthood, ridding around on that big white horse, protecting the glorious royal family from the terrible commoner?

    Talk about acting the white knight.


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    #1441
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Multipass wrote: »
    You’d think Meghan would be embarrassed to talk about that, it shows her up as a bit of a Bridezilla. Stories starting to emerge now from her staff about being bullied by her.

    Well you see she didn’t want to get into what the fight was actually over because it would have shown her in an extremely bad light.


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