Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

valoren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458203#Comment_121458203

The first six in the line of succession need approval from the monarch to marry. Protocol. Harry asked for and got approval. Now he could still have married Meghan without that approval because they are adults free to marry who they want but it would simply mean he and his kids would be out of the LOS. So the Queen approved which meant any kids would be in the LOS...but racism! The current King walked his sons wife part way down the aisle and was keen on celebrating his sons marriage by having a diverse ceremony (choir, pastor)...but racism! The heir who had earlier advised his brother to take it slowly ended up being his Best Man...but racism!

valoren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458224#Comment_121458224

Agreed. Getting called a royalist is a jumping the shark moment for that particular wind up posting style. 😄

Leg End Reject

The Prince of Litigation strikes again.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67618927

Karppi

The Times article

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stripping-sussexes-titles-tempting-rash-harry-meghan-gqlzbbjjj

http://archive.today/SvF0p.

An interesting read. There's an online poll (which doesn't come up on the Archive page) that - as of now - shows a 2 to 1 majority voting in favour of stripping H&M's titles.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458309#Comment_121458309

Lol. The Royal Family maybe are inherently racist, but they are not complete simpletons.

Okay they do get away with quite grotesque acts, paying for the silence of alleged child rape victims with public money, etc.

But if they came out and said no you can't marry her because she is not white then that would have been the end of them.

This is as hilarious as it is remedial.

Best to subtly remove her from the family, then you don't have to explain because just because.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458332#Comment_121458332

Internet poll?

Well I'm convinced.

Like I said previously hopefully the law passes, could get very interesting down the line.

valoren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458365#Comment_121458365

So it was allowed so as to subsequently remove her from the family? And subtly too? Fiendish!

You are aware that they decided to leave all by themselves yeah? They were given a year to suss things out and if they wanted to come back then they could and if they didn't then that was fine too. It's quite fantastical to think this was some sort of warped plot for racists to get their kicks from. It belongs with the “pulling security so that Meghan would be killed but Harry would have to come home” posts. Bizarre.

Sunny Disposition

It’s fairly clear that people said something like who’ll the baby be like and Meghan, as a 21st century woke celebrity idiot had no choice but but to deliberately misinterpret, feign offence and claim she was a victim of racism.

it’s oddly gratifying to see the public reject the Sussex’s version of events.

Spare was a very revealing read. It was a very, very long whinge from one of the most privileged people alive. He actually complained about ordinary people working at the school he went to. He showed himself up as a dumbass teenager who is pushing 40.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458330#Comment_121458330

Maybe if he stopped leaving all of these accusations hanging in the air and stopped pushing for privacy whist making millions in the spotlight, he wouldn’t need such protection.

By stating how many people he killed and b1tching about the RF, he’s just inviting certain groups of mad hatters to do him harm.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458314#Comment_121458314

Awe, does that mean no gold for me? 😛

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458332#Comment_121458332

As the article says, probably not the best choice at this stage; he’s burned an awful lot of bridges though - very hard to see him head back to the RF and become the dutiful son opening hospitals and cutting ribbons - he might do some African work maybe and represent the RF there, but he won’t be attending garden parties in middle England any time soon.

Meaghan certainly doesn’t want that sh1te but time is moving on, they’ve been ridiculed (and rightfully so) massively, their ability to make money in all but frivolous ventures such as marketing products or guest of honour dinners is well over; arguably it never existed beyond mega companies like Netflix hoping for a bean spill of life inside the RF.

I reckon it will probably end with Meaghan divorcing Harry and Harry returning to the RF fold with an International brief but sooner rather than later as Meaghan will want to try and go it alone- well alone but with her Duchess title still intact.

A complete mess and one best forgotten soon.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458461#Comment_121458461

You are aware that they decided to leave all by themselves yeah?

Well more pushed really.

Even Parliament had to step in.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/29/cross-party-female-mps-condemn-uk-media-treatment-meghan-duchess-sussex-royal

Not a peep from the family, which was always telling.

valoren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458973#Comment_121458973

Ah so it was the press that made them leave. His brother expressed similar sentiments as the MPs via a supportive statement about press coverage of Meghan years before that following one from Harry. Was he or the rest of them expected to issue the same thing over and over about every negative story?

Meghan was raised by her white father, is white passing and has said she never suffered from any racism or bigotry and that she was more observer than recipient. Her mother getting called the N word was the worst of it. With that in mind then I think she was simply ill equipped for a brutal British media which would, shock horror, discuss her race, her background etc. She could handle celebrity type media (promos, red carpets) but wasn't media trained in the way the senior royals are, some of whom, have gone through pretty horrible press coverage. With anything perceived as negative coverage, instead of adopting the cool head/never complain approach, her understandable instincts were to attack back, to sue, to complain, to say no one was asking her if she was ok etc.

It was a working arrangement for them that simply wasn't going to work in terms of media relations e.g. the likes of the Daily Mail and The Sun could do their Duchess Difficult typical trolling routines but they still had to be tolerated and greeted neutrally via the royal rota. They decided to leave. And before you say Harrys family were feeding all these stories to the press to hasten their exit it is worth reminding that there is no proof of any of that whereas, ironically, the only actual proof of royals feeding information to the media is from Harry and Meghan themselves (Scobies first book).

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121459086#Comment_121459086

Which senior royal was a perpetual victim of racism?

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121459112#Comment_121459112

Harry?

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121459112#Comment_121459112

None

valoren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121459112#Comment_121459112

More race baiting.

It reminds me of Andy Dufresne in Shawshank explaining his money laundering saying that outside he was as honest as anything as a financier but that he had to go to prison to be a crook.

Like Meghan saying she never personally experienced any racism or bigotry while growing up and living in America, she had to go to the UK to be a "perpetual victim of racism". There is no racism in America as we know (lol).

Racism like the author writing about her exotic skin? That kind of racism? The same author who, facing cancellation, had to explain she had used exotic to imply her skin was beautiful? Even when they're praising there is offense taken. Or some dope like Danny Baker and his tweet? A tweet that ruined his career? i.e. the bit that manipulative race baiters like to omit? Or the doctored headlines Harpo had made up to have an American audience think the press were overtly racist? Similar to their series doing similar to make it appear that they were hounded by the media by using unrelated footage?

🙄

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121459112#Comment_121459112

Prince Philip!

jm08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121459215#Comment_121459215

Yea, poor Dan Baker, a victim of his own racism! How did Meghan make him tweet that image of the now King's grandson as a chimp?

jm08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458906#Comment_121458906

You clearly don't understand that everyone has some right to privacy (including the royals).

valoren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121459928#Comment_121459928

A victim? No he isn't. Did you miss the backlash and condemnation he rightfully deserved not just for the tweet but also his explanation for it? (I meant performing monkey!). He ruined his career because of his racist tweet. Any comment on the other examples provided?

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121459948#Comment_121459948

I see you didn’t read what you quoted and have absolutely no interest in discussion, just baiting

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121459215#Comment_121459215

So the answer is none.

valoren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121460451#Comment_121460451

There are racists in the UK. There are people in the UK who were racist towards Meghan. However there also are snobs in the UK. There are people who are classist in the UK. There are xenophobes in the UK.....think of any toxic character trait....there will, guaranteed, be some in the UK. Some people just don't take to people. With social media such people can engage in these traits anonymously. So what you're doing is race baiting. You're focusing exclusively on her race and defending her exclusively through the prism of her race/skin colour.

You're ignoring all the other toxic character traits which also drove a dislike towards Meghan Markle in the UK but also ignoring behaviour from her which fuelled such dislike. I'll give you an example. The empty seats at Wimbledon was brought up a few posts back. Meghan was criticised for the optics of it. Now do you think it was racism that underpinned that criticism or perhaps it was something else?

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121459948#Comment_121459948

And that is got by writing multiple books and going on Oprah.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121460497#Comment_121460497

So when she speaks of being a victim of racism, she is actually baiting people.

So really they are the victims?

Step away from the shovel FFS.

valoren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121460534#Comment_121460534

Meghan doesn't do social media anymore. She said she doesn't read it and advises against using it, engaging in it because she knows how toxic it can be which it absolutely is. So in essence the balmpots online are irrelevant and operate in an ineffective bubble of hatred e.g. if you weren't on Reddit, if you never used it but unbeknownst to you there were posts attacking you then are you a victim? A perpetual one even? You say Meghan was a perpetual victim of racism. If it is perpetual then there will be a litany of proof of this, for example, in the media. Why then would Harpo need to doctor a Daily Mail headline about her "seed will taint our royal family" and imply this came from a place of racism whereas (beyond the manipulation involved) it was actually that paper using its reach to out a racist? Defending Meghan. The irony.

Surely if the racism was perpetual then there would be no need for such antics? It's akin to Liz Garbus needing to convince viewers that H&M were victims of Diana like press intrusion but, since they only had footage of one moped behind them, she needed to use multiple and unrelated media scrums to use it for effect. My point, which you'll ignore obviously, is that exaggeration happens, manipulation happens and I believe that is the case here but lets be blunt here - I'm discussing this with someone who thinks a family of racists allowed Meghan to marry in and then subtly removed her for, I dunno, sh*ts and giggles I guess. 🤷‍♂️

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121460607#Comment_121460607

if you never used it but unbeknownst to you there were posts attacking you then are you a victim? 

Jesus you swapped the shovel for a digger.

I can't believe I actually have to explained to this, if someone is being racist they are being racist, whether that is on social media, the tabloids or in a opulent stately home, if they are being specifically racist to a specific person that that person is a victim of racism, full stop.

This isn't if a tree falls in the woods scenario.

This is a car crash, you are absolutely contorting yourself to explain away misogyny, bullying and racism.

It's not a great look TBF.

valoren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121460635#Comment_121460635

So then Charles, William, Kate, Camilla, The Queen et al are all victims of racism, bullying, misogyny, press harassment, intrusion etc. as well. Glad we've cleared that up then.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121460744#Comment_121460744

I don't know about racism it is an exclusively white institution again, but the tabloids have written bad things about them, the difference they openly court it because they need them, they also encouraged it by at least their silence if not participation when it was a full on sustained assault against Markle.