Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121641271#Comment_121641271

That's fan fiction, right?

Karppi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121643097#Comment_121643097

Not exactly, although some might say they are well matched as grifters.

The (rather magnificently) styled Mario-Max Prince Antonius Adolf Albert Eduard Oliver Gertraud Edith Helga Magdalena Schaumburg-Lippe, was born in 1977 in Salzburg as Mario-Helmut Wagner. He was adopted at the ripe old age of 24, and again when he was 31, into the vestiges of an old German aristocratic family. However, in 1919, the legal privileges and titles of German nobility were abolished. Therefore, officially, there are no princes and princesses in Germany. Many of the old families retained the titles as part of the family name. So he's not actually a Prince. He seems to grift off it in the USA, having been called out somewhat too frequently in Europe.

The Danish Wiki entry is a short read which sheds a bit more light on him, and Google will kindly translate it into English for those of us who don't speak Danish!

Not the best role model Harry could be hanging out with

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario-Max_Schaumburg-Lippe

Leg End Reject

A pretend prince and a pretend Legend of Aviation. 🤣🤣

Itssoeasy

What a joke that hary got an “award” for being a legend of aviation. Chuck Yeager is a legend. Harry is a legend in his own head.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121643401#Comment_121643401

Wait until you hear about Charles and his 12 honorary degrees or his dozens of military honours.

Oscar_Madison

Yes it’s a troll story from DM obviously- but the opportunity for reconciliation is clearly there if Harry wants to take it -and it’s not a bad time to try - the “all hands on deck” approach wouldn’t do him any harm right now - but with Meaghan? Eh no. 🤪

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12983817/ANGELA-MOLLARD-Harry-smart-hell-jump-plane-moment-grow-family-face-irrelevant.html

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121644696#Comment_121644696

William, has stepped back from work to care for those he loves.

So Willie has to order the army of nannies and servants around for a week or 2. Also step back from work. 😂

What an absolute trooper.

I see another military award on the horizon.

backwards_man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121644696#Comment_121644696

I get the sentiment behind "all hands on deck" when it comes to illness but in this case they have plenty of staff to help plus spouses that are well able to be there for emotional support, in fact William is stepping back to be present for the kids and his wife and dad emotionally. Given the strained relationsip with Harry, him flying over would be a strain for everyone and if it were me, I'd be constantly on edge and on guard about what I say in case he is recording it or storing it up for future use. I honestly dont see how any of them can relax or let their guard down around him in the near future given his past behaviour of recounting personal private conversations, even about the former queen. Who needs that in their life at a time of stress.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121644927#Comment_121644927

Oh give over - my reference to the DM was in jest and you well know it - you can do your quoty woety sho1te ,like you do all over this website , all you like with someone else’s post if it arouses you but leave me alone- I’ve had it with you and your trolling

Karppi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121645449#Comment_121645449

Yep, this one is $30,000 for a “table’….

Oscar_Madison

He needs a new script writer: though it does look like he might embrace Scientology yet- next award maybe? 😀

“Prince Harry embraced the Hollywood star and private pilot and referred to him as 'Captain John' before giving an acceptance speech at last night's Beverly Hills bash.

Addressing the audience at the Beverly Hills Hilton, Harry inspected his medal and said: 'This is nice. Thanks very much, Captain John.”

'I was one-year-old when you danced with my mum. As you've told everybody here and continue to dine out on that probably every single night.

'But look at us now! It's great. So if we're not going to dance together, we'll fly together.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12986865/prince-harry-john-travolta-princess-diana-joke-aviation-awards.html

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121645733#Comment_121645733

There's only one person dining out on Diana's memory and it isn't JT. Surprised Meghan wasn't there.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121645752#Comment_121645752

Unfortunately you’re correct - I do feel the sensitivity of a son talking about his mother - I really do- but yeah, it’s the way he does it that makes me think, this is just the commercialisation of her name - Meaghan did a whole photo shoot replicating Diana’s black polar-neck jumper look on the biography book cover - I thought that was just creepy and exploitative - just as I think Lilabeth name is also exploitative - context is everything and I’m just not comfortable with the context of either choices - others may differ but neither sits comfortably with me

ceadaoin.

Yes Harry, I'm sure John Travolta's life over the past 30+ years has revolved around the one time he danced with your mother. I didn't even know this happened until all this yet according to Harry everyone is just dying to talk about it

Unrelated but I think Travolta has distanced himself from scientology since his wife died and might have some issues with them around his son's death. They eschew medications which could have prevented his death and I read somewhere that he blames them for that.

valoren

Someone tell Harry that it was likely his dance loving Mother who was the one thrilled to dance with Travolta, who was in a career doldrum but still a pop culture icon.

Is Harry a legend of aviation? No. He was a co-pilot, failed the exams a few times and was ultimately the gunner (if the pilot got incapacitated then he was trained to land an Apache). Cool but hardly the stuff of landing a lunar module on the moon though. Is he right to collect (pay for?) an award that allows for some access (e.g. getting a pic with fellow alumni Jeff "Gimme 20 mill and I can make you an Astronaut too!" Bezos), to network, to create buzz and interest (e.g. who here has heard of these awards before Harry got one?). Of course he is. That's his life now.

He is gone from the Royal family/monarchy. He quit the job. They want nothing to do with him. It was a gap year that has now turned into him settling there as an ex-pat. He is in La La Land where there is a lucrative awards industry and this is an example of him, as a known and marketable celebrity name, embracing that environment. Consider how Neil Armstrong shared the same award Harry just got with Angelina Jolie and William Shatner to see how pathetic it all is back in reality.

The British press can, in the interest of clicks via piss taking, seek out the kind of personnel who have risen to the highest military ranks and ask if Harry is an aviation legend and have them inevitably say of course he isn't but they are by now missing the point. If some silly "lets get kids interested in flying" charity, seeking out headlines in a crowded field, wants to have people with silly money to get silly awards for the silliest of reasons then Harry just needs to be let at it.

Karppi

More news on Mario-Max Prince Antonius Adolf Albert Eduard Oliver Gertraud Edith Helga Magdalena Schaumburg-Lippe

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12988675/prince-harry-aviation-award-selfie-warning-stay-away-german-prince.html?ico=topics_pagination_desktop

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I saw a short clip where Harry was asked by Travolta about his first flight. He got another pop into his dad saying he was terrified as Charles got into the pilot's seat in the helicopter. No best wishes to both C and C during the ceremony.

Karppi

From the Times - about the practicalities of the Council of State. Basically, Harry won't be eligible. It seems this was implemented some while ago but snuck into a House of Lords bill.

https://archive.ph/oVfqR

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121649969#Comment_121649969

It was a master stroke introduced/proposed by the Queen I think but only coming to law now- “working royals” avoided having to boot off the boys from the list essentially making it guaranteed they’d never have to be relied on - I doubt Harry gives a sho1te but Andrew is likely licking his wounds and nursing his bruised ego - he seemed to love all that self importance and pomp

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jm08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121643326#Comment_121643326

Plenty of pretend stuff doing the rounds e.g., The Princess Royal is Admiral of the Fleet, Commodore-in-Chief for Portsmouth, Colonel of the (Canadian) The Grey and Simocoe Forresters, Canadian Communications and Electronic Branch, 8th Canadian Hussars (Princess Louise's), Royal Canadian Hussars, The Royal Canadian Medical Service, The Royal Regina Rifles, The Royal Newfoundland Regiment and HRH is Commodore-in-Chief Canadian Pacific Fleet.

How in the name of jebus is Princess Anne Commodore-in-chief of the Canadian Pacific Fleet?

*For the record, I think Anne is one of the best of the lot, but what is the justification for her having all these naval titles whose navy training consisted of holidaying on the Royal Yacht when she was a kid?

jm08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121649049#Comment_121649049

One thing is very noticeable on this thread - most of you have no sense of humour or fun. I thought that was quite a compliment to Charles - he was able to fly a helicopter with his son (though the spare in it). They probably wouldn't have chanced it with the first born.

valoren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653454#Comment_121653454

So the then third in line to the throne got to fly in a chopper with the then first in line to the throne but it was simply too risky to let the then second in line to the throne fly with the first in line to the throne. 👌

On Oprah he was delighting in being able to bring Archie for bike rides which was something he said he never got to do himself as a kid. I read that as him implying that he felt over protected as a kid and denied experiencing normal paternal bonding such as bike rides because he might get hurt. He was now out of the gold fish bowl and wouldn't deny his own kids such things.

First it quickly transpired that he actually did go on bike rides dispelling his claims but it now also transpires that he was being flown around in a helicopter as well by his dad, an activity which, of course, is not dangerous at all.

Karppi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653438#Comment_121653438

Quick question for you@jm08. Before Harry lost his royal and honorary military roles consequent to his "stepping back", going all "financially independent" and getting aboard his and Meghan's Freedom Flight, did you think that him being an Honorary Canadian Ranger; Captain General Royal Marines; Honorary Air Commandant of RAF Honington; Commodore-in-Chief of Small Ships and Diving was all "pretend stuff"? Perhaps Princess Anne could have picked him up of the west coast of Canada after he'd ranged all over the country? After all, she had a whole fleet to play with, and Harry only had a small ship. Sounds a bit like sausage envy to me

jm08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653783#Comment_121653783

It was a joke (about Charles piloting the chopper and 7 year old Harry being dubious about his competency)! Not to be taken seriously! (just for the record, its a royal rule that the heirs don't fly together). William got into trouble with QEII about that rule being broken.

I don't follow your logic with regard to riding bikes. You say that the RF were over protective of Harry as a child because he might get hurt (riding a bike!), yet then you say that 'now he is out of the fishbowl, he would not deny his own kids such things.'

So which is it? kid getting hurt, or being plagued by paparazi as a child? (there is a video of William out with his kids having a massive row with a photographer for taking photos of them while out for a ride with the kids).

As for the one photo of Harry on a family bike ride - that was obvioulsy a photo set up for the press to present a ''happy family'' image to the public.

jm08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121654258#Comment_121654258

I just don't get all the outrage about Harry getting a ''Aviation Living Legend Award'' by the yanks the British has very similar type awards for an accident of birth. At least Harry did serve in the military as a pilot.

valoren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121654306#Comment_121654306

A quick google shows multiple bike riding photos so to suggest it is just the one is disingenuous.

What point, in your opinion, is Harry trying to make with the following?

"I guess the highlight for me is sticking (Archie) on the back of a bicycle in his little baby seat and taking him on bike rides which is something I was never able to do when I was young".

For me he is riffing on his genetic pain theme, how having escaped from that environment allows him to be a regular dad doing regular activities with his kid, activities (such as bike riding) which, in his own recollection, he never experienced.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121646160#Comment_121646160

You don't see a problem with forcing Harry at 12 into the public spotlight like that and to be expected to chin up and not grieve in public, so the RF could coin more positive public image off the event?

Then when Harry was serving in Afghanistan and seems to have genuinely found a role in life he liked and wanted to do, Dad once again was a moniumental pri​ck and yanked him out of that when he heard some shots were fired and he actually did some millitary stuff for real instead of pretending. Again, Harry getting positive media attention instead of William was not part of the plan.

With all that military image crap the RF bandy about, Harry might be the only RF member to have actually fired a weapon at the enemy in a conflict in the last century or two.

I think the RF had/have a deal going with the UK tabloids where they could put the boot into H&M so long as they were nice with William and his family, and others, particularly after their South Africa and Pacific tours which went far too well when the RF actually want all eyes and praise focused on Will's and Cath.

You just have to look at the difference in the way the media talk about what jewellery or clothes Meghan wore, and what they cost, vs Catherine or the vastly different take on private air travel. Elton John lends them his plane and it's a crime against humanity while darling Willie uses one and he's saving the taxpayer on security costs. Charles has to fly commercial for one flight and he's complaing about it not being a Gulfstream and that the seats any cattle classer would die for, aren't suitable for the pompous, pampered royal arse.

H&M were a heaven sent media distraction when Andrew's alleged misdeads were being reported.

jm08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121646318#Comment_121646318

Wrong on the Diana being thrilled to to dance with Travolta - she wanted to dance with Nureyev who was also there. She danced with Wayne Sleep on stage.

Nancy Reagan asked Travolta to ask Diana to dance. It was a big moment for him because it was the Princess of Wales (who was a good dancer, and wearing an iconic dress) in the White House.

As for Harry - he qualified as an apache pilot in 18 months and ends up being deployed to Afghanistan 6 months after finishing training. Do you have any evidence he failed the exams a few times, because 18 months is how long the training takes to fly an Apache (attack) helicopter. It sounds like something Meghan's Mole made up and you believed her. The Apache has a crew of two. Both co-pilots. A former Apache co-pilot has explained that both pilots have all the controls for the craft and what usually happens is that in an attack situation, the co-pilot in the rear has the flying controls and the co-pilot in the front has the gun controls. the gunner co-pilot usually flies the Apache back to base so as to keep up their flying hours. The commander of the Apache is back at base who makes the decisions and issues instructions to all the Apaches (Harry was made a Commander in 2013).

'Fool Me Once' on Netflix at the moment backs this up (basically, Michelle Keegan (a helicopter attack pilot sitting in the front of a chopper) is thrown out of the Army where she took it on herself to shoot at a car that she believed to have Taliban in it, but in fact there was civilians who were all killed. Her Commander at base didn't give the command to fire and she had cut off communications between the chopper and base and told her co-pilot that she had received the command to attack. She was thrown out of the army for doing that. Fiction based on fact?

valoren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121654689#Comment_121654689

The response to Dianas death could arguably have brought down the monarchy. They were in Balmoral and were intent on staying there. Instead of a private ceremony which was what the families wanted they had to initiate the funeral plans for the Queen Mothers funeral in order to satiate public demands for a state funeral befitting Dianas status. As a consequence of that then Harry, instead of being allowed to grieve privately, was, by public demand, thrust into the public spotlight. Apparently he was asked if he wanted to walk behind his mother with the DOE saying he'd walk with him in support.

His dad yanked him out? His granny was the commander in chief and it would have been Harrys superiors who made these decisions. It was a foreign tabloid who caught word of his presence and so, instead of putting troops at an increased risk and give the Taliban a prize kill, he was pulled out. Pulled out when shots were fired? He said he killed 25 Taliban so he must have seen plenty of action. Positive media attention? He was the most popular royal after the Queen for years without any of this supposed media briefing done to sully him. Involved with Invictus, Heads Together, The Royal Foundation etc. There is obviously media relations and management in a quid pro quo arrangement and Harry seemingly always had a positive relationship with W&K.

South Africa and Australia changed things. Australia made them think they were the most popular and this gave them leverage to want half in/half out. They thought they should be getting paid for doing such tours. While in South Africa Harry and Meghan decided to both sue and ostracize certain publications. He went to war with the media. Now would these outlets be positive and supportive towards them after that decision? I doubt it but that isn't as exciting or provocative as a conspiracy theory that suggests his family was colluding with these same outlets to sacrifice them. Why go to the trouble of setting them up with a multimillion pound wedding, titles, gigs and money only to then seek to drive them, an asset, away? It doesn't make sense. Ostracising outlets was, for me, about control. When you're living in a bubble then getting scrutinised is unwelcome. After initially raising them all up as the Fab Four the tabloids, as they invariably do, cottoned on to the idea that things were not so fab behind the scenes.

A distraction from Andrew? Any developments in that particular story was followed with interest and coverage as well as general condemnation. The developments didn't coincide with any H&M developments. I doubt Harry sweet talked his Uncle into doing his BBC interview for example.

It has also been argued that Harry and Meghan were also a distraction from the conservative government i.e. the Mail would write 16 articles about something Sussex related while, in parallel, there was headline criticism of the government.