Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

jm08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121745337#Comment_121745337

Or maybe he wanted to have a chat with his legal team as well!

Why would he want publicity from the British taboids? He doesn't deal or leak to them? What he does is sue them! Any leaking about Harry's visits to he UK are coming from the RF.

Everyone got it wrong as to why it was such a short visit and no one filled them in on that he had a pressing engagement back in the US.

jm08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121745067#Comment_121745067

Wiliam doesn't look well. Seemingly he was swaying back and forth at recent investiture, dropping things and blinking uncontrollably (which is an indicator of stress). He also seems to have lost weight and looks very gaunt.

Mr.Wemmick

Or he called them en route to say he’ll be happy to present the award as he is no longer needed in the U.K.. the what ifs, maybes are tabloid style madness. Make it up to fit the narrative..

Meanwhile Harry shows ‘em how it’s done. Poor William is struggling to hold it together.

superflyninja

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121744870#Comment_121744870

My dear Boggles. This is nothing but another example of you thinking you can say what you like but those holding an opposing view are not allowed. But you know that don't you?

Truly you are the Piers Morgan of this thread, I'll give you that. Constantly trying to provoke and outrage. Well done!

Leg End Reject

You can have debts and money secured away in a trust fund too. Harry did get money from the QM.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a30446498/prince-harry-net-worth/

ceadaoin.

Gayle king is also in Vegas for the super bowl, maybe he'll have time for a quick interview to spill some tea about Charles illness?

Karppi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121745630#Comment_121745630

Yep, they could also discuss the near-catastrophic car chase that H&M endured last May. She sympathised at the time, saying that, "..... it was a very unfortunate incident, It’s troubling to me that anybody would try to downplay what that would mean to them. That’s very troubling to me".

I think it was troubling for the Mayor of New York, the NYPD, citizens of New York and taxi driver Sukhcharn Singh at the time, too, but mainly because they couldn't believe it.

Karppi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121745311#Comment_121745311

I've no issue with the agreement, it's been through a process that I support ie the Courts. David Sherborne will be cracking the Bolly open tonight. £2m in fees, eh? He's on a "whatever the outcome, I get my fees" deal. I went into the wrong profession, clearly! Never mind.

Juran

Its widely known that Diana's £20M to the boys was put in a trust fund to avoid inheritence tax. The fund is managed and invested, it makes more money, you can take out money you earn and pay CGT on that, you can invest back earned money as well (with some lower taxes on re-investment), but you leave in the original and let that keep making money. They recieved 10M each into their funds, I read that each fund is now worth £30M.

This is how you can avoid paying inheritence on the original sum. You protect it in a trust fund, sit back and watch it make you money. Profits you are taxed on as capital gains tax 33%.

We can all do, but you'd want series money to be able to pay the fund managers.

I imagine money from the QM and the Queen also went into trust funds as well for Harry, William and their cousins.

It was always said (for British RF) that the spares would get more inheritence from relatives as they will need it more than the Heir, who will get everything. I think the QM left more to Harry than William for this reason. The Queen probably did as well, unless she changed her will after Megxit !

jm08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121745618#Comment_121745618

You didn't read the article:

In 1994, the late Queen Elizabeth’s mom, the queen mother, placed two-thirds of her money* (an estimated £19M, wowowow) into a trust fund for her great-grandchildren, including William and Harry. The Guardian reports that the brothers split about £6M of this trust at age 21, and believe it or not, Harry took the majority of that money to “compensate for not becoming sovereign.”

However!! It’s unclear whether Harry was cut off from this money after he and Meghan stepped back as senior royals...

*reportedly (according to the Mirror and others about this trust fund)

Since the Queen Mother was living way beyond her means (racehorses & champagne), how could she have been able to give away 2/3rd of her wealth. It said her estate was worth £50/60m, but that was mainly made up of houses (Royal Lodge where Andrew is living), her house in Scotland (Charles has now) and her painting collection/Feberge collection went to the Queen.

She had debts of £8m when she died. She couldn't live within her means, so how would she have had cash to set up a trust fund for her great grandchildren. Harry has said all he had was what his mother left him.

QEII's entire estate went to Charles. Anne, Charles and Edward got nothing. Nor did her grandchildren.

jm08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121745812#Comment_121745812

see my post above re QEII's will.

Edit: £21m was Diana's entire estate. Other people / charities were also included in the will. And their inheritance (after a certain amount was taxed - like normal people.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121745612#Comment_121745612

This is nothing but another example of you thinking you can say what you like but those holding an opposing view are not allowed.

Opposing view to what?

Having to make an appointment to meet your family isn't a normal family interaction. IMO.

If you are hold an opposing view that, that's up to you.

Karppi

However you look at it, Harry ended up with a substantial amount of money. He would have known how much he had when Megxit occurred, and he took the Freedom Flight. He also said that they were going to be financially independent. They secured publishing, podcasting, and reality tv contracts.

I became "financially independent" when I left home at 18. I had to. There was no Bank of Pa. I went to work, earned an income, and over time bought a house, married, had a family, had holidays, put kids through university, worked for 50 years, put money into a pension etc. BTW, I'm not unusual; millions of people do what I did.

But Harry deserves something extra; more from the Bank of Pa, titles and inheritances but no responsibilities as a working royal, Silly me for making my own way in the world.

jm08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121746283#Comment_121746283

You didn't inherit from your father a security bill of $3 million a year to fund.

Karppi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121746364#Comment_121746364

He chooses to pay $3m a year for security. Meghan managed to go for a pap drive in the last few days; there wasn't a cavalcade of blacked out windowed SUVs, no bodyguards in the car. Just a mug of coffee in her hand. Presumably, she'd have thrown it into the face of any interloper. A mug for a thug, perhaps

Anyway, he can clearly afford security. He has millions in the bank and contracts in place. He made choices about their future. There are consequences for decisions, even if you are a cloistered Prince.

More and more, they remind me of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor. Edward made a decision. He didn't like the consequences, and spent a lot of the rest of his life bemoaning a life in self-imposed exile.

valoren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121746364#Comment_121746364

But he is (allegedly) worth $120 million so even if he does nothing else then then he is (currently) good for security for 40 years.

Ezeoul

Obliteration and incineration. If that's not incitement to violence, I don't know what is.

Harry definitely should never enter the UK again without security, and keep his wife and children well away. It only takes one nutcase to be spurred on by headlines like that.

Personally, if I were Harry I would consider Charles' reaction to him flying over to see him the final nail in the coffin.

The fact that he flew all that way to see him and his father could only "spare" him 45 minutes of his time - he would not put off traveling to Sandringham for one evening, or offer his son a bed for the night - would be the final straw for me.

Harry was right to turn around and go home, and now he should never look back. Charles is as good as dead to him already.

Let the rest of them rot in their mouldy palaces.

Mr.Wemmick

Pity the same level of scrutiny doesn’t apply the rest of RF’s vast wealth. It seems to be the way of it: to ridicule & scrutinise Harry, but not even bother looking at his very rich relatives.

Why is their wealth & tax avoidance means hidden from the public? Why no scrutiny?

The Guardian at least tries to do its bit to reveal the dodgy methods used by The British Crown to build its wealth.

valoren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121746640#Comment_121746640

He was presenting an award at an NFL show though so why he left quickly. Staying at the airport meant being there ready to fly home the next day. He (and his family) have exceptional status in terms of security as well so any UK visits are pre-vetted/assessed for risks. It kicked in for him to visit at short notice because his dad has cancer.

Carol25

How can anyone justify the treatment of Harry and Meghan when you look at what the British press have said and done in the last day or two? They are literally issuing death threats, Bower and Morgan should be in a jail cell for trying to incite violence against a man and his young family, Morgan also for his conduct as proven by Harry’s recent court case. The British Government and Royal family standing over this behaviour while issuing indignant condemnations to a Spanish reporter over her claims Kate was in a coma, shows how Harry and Meghan were fed to the wolves by the RF.

These actions and recent developments will ensure the demise of the Royals. They look petty the way they treated Harry when he arrived. William looks like someone who’s not mentally ok. His recent appearance has me really wondering what on earth is wrong with Kate. Swaying over and back and dropping medals. I don’t see a bright future ahead for them currently with all that’s afoot.

Juran

He was provided with a Police escort to and from Heathrow this week, as well as travelling in a range rover driven by royal protection officer plus a back up range rover with more royal officers.

He gets full royalty treatment everytime he visits the UK. Charles I presume approves this. And would aprove it for a family holiday with grandkids and Megan. I still can't fathom why he brought a legal case against the home office for lack of police protection.

valoren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121747516#Comment_121747516

Morgan was effectively sacked since he couldn't drum up an audience for Talk TV to justify his exorbitant fee. I can't even tell you what show Bower was on but its viewership must be in the hundreds. My point is that these outlets are fringe and nowhere near mainstream. They need to drum up interest via shock OTT, attention seeking coverage and while their comments are shocking they are the equivalent of old man yells at clouds i.e. no way near influential. It's more of the selective bias like the Danny Baker tweet. Taking extreme examples in the "British Press" (which are roundly and rightly condemned) but making out that it is the norm in the "British Press". Which it isn't.

Also someone faced with his wife going through major surgery and a father diagnosed with cancer all in the space of a few weeks is looking a bit stressed and wrecked? Shocking.

valoren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121747745#Comment_121747745

It's entitlement. I want what I had before i.e. a full time RPO when he is in the UK no matter what. He now has exceptional status thanks to the Queen and effectively has funded security so long as he himself is willing to manage the risk he was born into i.e. abiding by protocols. His case didn't cite kidnap attempts or anything serious. His case cited a "security compromise" where a photographer took his photo while leaving a Wellchild function. A press photographer. Taking a picture. His case failed obviously.

jm08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121747853#Comment_121747853

Eh no. According to outgoing Met Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu

The Duchess of Sussex was subject to multiple “disgusting” threats against her life, a senior police officer has revealed, adding they were “very real” and led to prosecutions.

But it was his comments on the threats to Meghan’s life that appear to reveal why Prince Harry told the high court earlier this year that he would not feel safe when visiting his family under existing security arrangements.

When asked if there had been many credible threats against Meghan’s life, Basu answered: “Absolutely, and if you’d seen the stuff that was written and you were receiving it … the kind of rhetoric that’s online, if you don’t know what I know, you would feel under threat all of the time.”

He added: “We had teams investigating it. People have been prosecuted for those threats.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/29/duchess-of-sussex-faced-disgusting-threats-to-life-senior-met-officer-says

Harry and Meghan would have been safe if they had been left in their house Frogmore Cottage because they were in the Windsor Estate which is protected anyway. But Charles, took that security from his son's family (as well as not returning over £2 million they spent on refurbishing it).

I've told you several times (with links) about the threats to their lives and yet you come out with this nonsense that its only a few paps who want to take a photo.

And lets not forget before you go into a whinge about tax payers money - Harry offered to pay for protection (just as he had reimbursed the State for the refurbishment of Frogmore Cottage).

jm08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121747797#Comment_121747797

He was sacked because TalkTV are going to get a deluge of complaints about him. Also, its not a good look for anyone associated with TalkTV to be associated with a perjuror (Judge said he lied to the Stevenson Enquiry which is a criminal offence). While the audience may be small on the TV channels, they make their way onto social media (such as here) and so have a very big reach.

Wootton, Clarkson and Morgan are getting their come uppance now for their hate mongering. Wootton is the subject of a criminal investigation at the moment.

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/12/14/witnesses-interviewed-as-police-and-murdoch-probes-into-dan-wootton-continue/

jm08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121747745#Comment_121747745

I don't think he does. When he came for that court case that he gave evidence at, he did not have police protection (though I'm not sure how happy he is about Met police protection bearing in mind some officers were making derogatory and racist comments about Meghan on their WhatApp Group.

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121746674#Comment_121746674

That may be so, but Charles could have delayed leaving for Sandringham for a couple more hours when Harry was going to be in the UK overnight.

Harry made an effort. Charles made none.

valoren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121748143#Comment_121748143

He didn't offer to pay for security. Period. You are still spinning that spin. Been over it but it seems you can't accept that.

Yeah because I'm the one talking nonsense. Weren't you saying before in explaining Harrys swift exit after the coronation that it was because he didn't feel safe (lol)? If only he still had Frogmore at the time. Oh well.

Threats while they were full timers right? Well that is precisely why they had full time RPOs. It seems to me that while the police/Ravec are unable to stop crazy, racist people from actually thinking the way they do and expressing it online they are (and were) doing an exemplary job of monitoring such threats, mitigating and acting on them where necessary. My point is you can engage in hyperbole about them being at risk in the UK but the irony would be that when they are in the UK they are as safe as they possibly can be.

jm08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121746565#Comment_121746565

Thats what his security costs. The reason why Meghan could go for a drive is because their security is good so no one probably expect her to be out and about in her car. Who knows, maybe she was only picking up a take out and not actually getting out of her car.

Harry is not looking for a hand out for his security. He is willing to pay for it.

We hear a lot about protocol here. There is a protocol that the grandchildren of the monarch are entitled to protection up to the age of 18. Can't remember whether it was Eugenie or Beatrice, but their protection officer went with then on their gap year. Archie and Lilibet are owed that from their grandfather, the King.

valoren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121748216#Comment_121748216

Alternatively Harry could have bunked off presenting an award at an award show. His dad got diagnosed with cancer, they'd have understood. Take advantage of the police escort to make his way to Sandringham. 🤷‍♂️