Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

JoChervil

Ms2011 wrote: »

Which makes Meghan's claims (if true) about being refused mental health treatment all the more damaging.

Or unbelievable

JoChervil

BettyS wrote: »

It will be interesting to see what happens if Philip passes away. Will Harry and Meghan come to the funeral? How will it be received?

When you throw an A-bomb at your family, these things need to be considered

I don't like when someone's future death is brought into any discussion. It is to serious matter for it.

Ms2011

JoChervil wrote: »

Or unbelievable

I don't feel Harry took any pleasure highlighting the flaws he found in the royal family, I don't think if Meghan wasn't suffering as she claimed and not getting help that he would have back her up.
I personally feel Meghan's mental health was the catalyst that made up Harry's mind to step down.

anewme

JoChervil wrote: »

I don't like when someone's future death is brought into any discussion. It is to serious matter for it.

I'd be the same with mental health.

Too personal.

retro:electro

The situation could have been something like: Meghan goes to someone “senior” at the palace and states she needs to get treatment somewhere for her mental health. They tell her they cannot be the ones to send her to a facility as if it gets out it will be “the palace sends Meghan away to seek mental help”, and it will be spun in all sorts of directions that doesn’t reflect the truth. That they empathise with the very tough situation she is going through but they are not in a position to send her, but will get her all the help she needs where she can then be referred on by a specialist. That they have access to some of the best doctors and will do anything to help her but she needs to talk to a professional first.
See how something like that can be spun into “I asked for help and they told me no as it would look bad”..

The whole conversation and context are very important in order to know what went on. Not drip fed and evasive, one step forward two steps back, saying without saying, kind of speak.

JoChervil

anewme wrote: »

Their articles have been exposed as fake and false many times.

The straight outa Compton article is widely regarded as racist, sexist and completely biased.

They have content control over their articles and are responsible for them.

So, no, it's not hypocritical for me to say I dont support fake news.

It's more hypocritical to say you dont believe someones own words, but put faith in a publication that has demonstrated its bias time and time again.

I read this article and many points are based on known facts. I don't buy anything I read in anywhere, if it doesn't fit my knowledge on the subject.

maestroamado

I do not fallow this at all but i cannot understand why someone would go on TV and tell of personal health details.
I think anyone who makes a comment looking for sympathy should have their personal medical advisor present.
They have lodger an official complaint which is good, i expect the Medical people to confirm what she said.
I did not see the prog at all as no interest, just interested in the fall-out from it all.
Some years ago Mental illness had a stigma, now it seems to be quite fashionable to be abit of a lunatic...

maestroamado

maestroamado wrote: »

I do not fallow this at all but i cannot understand why someone would go on TV and tell of personal health details.
I think anyone who makes a comment looking for sympathy should have their personal medical advisor present.
They have lodger an official complaint which is good, i expect the Medical people to confirm what she said.
I did not see the prog at all as no interest, just interested in the fall-out from it all.
Some years ago Mental illness had a stigma, now it seems to be quite fashionable to be abit of a lunatic...

A personal medical advisor? And also I don't think claims of ill mental health equals "lunacy".

anewme

JoChervil wrote: »

I read this article and many points are based on known facts. I don't buy anything I read in anywhere, if it doesn't fit my knowledge on the subject.

Well these are part of the reasons for it as per the other newspaper report.

The Mail Online story focuses on the black heritage of Markle’s mother and attempts to paint Markle’s background as one surrounded by drugs, gangs and violence.

The title claims that Markle is “almost straight outta compton” insinuating that she comes from a life of crime, despite living over ten miles from Compton in a predominantly middle class neighbourhood.

Many have suggested that the website targeted Markle due to her mixed race.

Their counter argument is that it us not racist but a rags to riches story.

Tyrone212

retro:electro wrote: »

The situation could have been something like: Meghan goes to someone “senior” at the palace and states she needs to get treatment somewhere for her mental health. They tell her they cannot be the ones to send her to a facility as if it gets out it will be “the palace sends Meghan away to seek mental help”, and it will be spun in all sorts of directions that doesn’t reflect the truth. That they empathise with the very tough situation she is going through but they are not in a position to send her, but will get her all the help she needs where she can then be referred on by a specialist. That they have access to some of the best doctors and will do anything to help her but she needs to talk to a professional first.
See how something like that can be spun into “I asked for help and they told me no as it would look bad”..

The whole conversation and context are very important in order to know what went on. Not drip fed and evasive, one step forward two steps back, saying without saying, kind of speak.

So even in your made up scenario that defends the R.F they care more about what other people might think than they do to help her. Ah you're suicidal, sure just wait a while incase we get bad press. Lol

Princess Calla

Ms2011 wrote: »

And that is sad, for all her faults I believe the queen loves Harry deeply and him her, there are no winners in the situation.

I think it's pretty sad that the last time they were home she* was too busy to see him.

* Whether it was the Queen herself or her team of people that kept them apart we will never know.

JoChervil

anewme wrote: »

I'd be the same with mental health.

Too personal.

Yes, but people are discussing more about her getting or help or not, than having problems or not.

retro:electro

Tyrone212 wrote: »

So even in your made up scenario that defends the R.F they care more about what other people might think than they do to help her. Ah you're suicidal, sure just wait a while incase we get bad press. Lol

It could have been as simple as they were advising her how it would be reported on. For someone who suffered with such anxiety and paranoia due to headlines, they may have thought they were being helpful. They also may not have had the power to send her somewhere.

JoChervil

retro:electro wrote: »

The situation could have been something like: Meghan goes to someone “senior” at the palace and states she needs to get treatment somewhere for her mental health. They tell her they cannot be the ones to send her to a facility as if it gets out it will be “the palace sends Meghan away to seek mental help”, and it will be spun in all sorts of directions that doesn’t reflect the truth. That they empathise with the very tough situation she is going through but they are not in a position to send her, but will get her all the help she needs where she can then be referred on by a specialist. That they have access to some of the best doctors and will do anything to help her but she needs to talk to a professional first.
See how something like that can be spun into “I asked for help and they told me no as it would look bad”..

The whole conversation and context are very important in order to know what went on. Not drip fed and evasive, one step forward two steps back, saying without saying, kind of speak.

Actually it was in this article that Meghan went to HR, which take care of RF employees instead of going to family doctors. So they couldn't help. As well Harry said, that he didn't know what to do, while having treatment himself, he should have known better

retro:electro

JoChervil wrote: »

Actually it was in this article that Meghan went to HR, which take care of RF employees instead of going to family doctors. So they couldn't help. As well Harry said, that he didn't know what to do, while having treatment himself, he should have known better

It’s very stage as patron to a myriad of mental health charities and with access to many professionals, that Harry didn’t do more to help his pregnant and suicidal wife. He also said on another part of the interview that he was ashamed to tell his family about her mental health but she made out as if they knew and didn’t care.

It’s all very inconsistent.

JoChervil

anewme wrote: »

Well these are part of the reasons for it as per the other newspaper report.

The Mail Online story focuses on the black heritage of Markle’s mother and attempts to paint Markle’s background as one surrounded by drugs, gangs and violence.

The title claims that Markle is “almost straight outta compton” insinuating that she comes from a life of crime, despite living over ten miles from Compton in a predominantly middle class neighbourhood.

Many have suggested that the website targeted Markle due to her mixed race.

Their counter argument is that it us not racist but a rags to riches story.

I am only discussing that one article

Tyrone212

retro:electro wrote: »

It could have been as simple as they were advising her how it would be reported on. For someone who suffered with such anxiety and paranoia due to headlines, they may have thought they were being helpful. They also may not have had the power to send her somewhere.

If you're suicidal you need help ASAP. They're not qualified to make any decisions as to what's best for her in that situation just get her help and let the professionals determine that. If you think you're being helpful by telling someone who is suicidal ah just ride it out because if you get help it may look bad, try not to kill yourself in the mean time. That's messed up.

maestroamado

Deleted User wrote: »

A personal medical advisor? And also I don't think claims of ill mental health equals "lunacy".

Whatever? but for me making a comment like this needs backing as people do not share every thought. I think its crazy to make comment like this with medical proof.
I expect this to run for some time as no-one will back down so i expect she will be asked to substantiate what was said...
The truth of it all....

retro:electro

Tyrone212 wrote: »

If you're suicidal you need help ASAP. They're not qualified to make any decisions as to what's best for her in that situation just get her help and let the professionals determine that. If you think you're being helpful by telling someone who is suicidal ah just ride it out because if you get help it may look bad, try not to kill yourself in the mean time. That's messed up.

I never implied that they responded in that manner. All the more strange then that Harry didn’t do more in his power to get her help. Shove your glitzy events, my partner is going to kill themselves, and I’m going to do all that I can to help her.
It’s strange.

anewme

JoChervil wrote: »

I am only discussing that one article

So am I.

I see it how it is summed up.

I remember seeing it at the time and thinking it off, but it was near the start and when the the Sussex's pushed back on the press (no baby photis erc) well, the pattern got more obvious

BettyS

JoChervil wrote: »

I am only discussing that one article

Her brother apparently lived homeless.

anewme

JoChervil wrote: »

Yes, but people are discussing more about her getting or help or not, than having problems or not.

They dont believe she had problems so highly likely they dont believe she needs help either.

Tyrone212

retro:electro wrote: »

I never implied that they responded in that manner. .

But you did.

retro:electro

anewme wrote: »

They dont believe she had problems so highly likely they dont believe she needs help either.

I have stated many times I believe her mental health suffered. You wouldn’t be human if your mental health wasn’t impacted by all that went on. What I’m curious about is why she went to HR instead of a doctor to ask for help, why she was told no and why Harry didn’t do more to help her instead of getting spruced up for pointless events. When you are only told half a story with the most important details left out then naturally, people will enquire.

retro:electro

Tyrone212 wrote: »

But you did.

No I didn’t. I have no interest in engaging with you if you’re going to see things that aren’t there and insist I said what I clearly did not.

BettyS

anewme wrote: »

I'd be the same with mental health.

Too personal.

Allegations that somebody wilfully ignored somebody’s severe depression (if you’re suicidal, it’s by definition severe) and suicidal ideation, this is a very, very grave matter indeed. Such a serious allegation needs to be substantiated, due to its damaging nature towards the alleged culprits.

This is why discussing the help for somebody in distress is being discussed

beakerjoe

anewme wrote: »

Who is they?

It was very clear who they were i the context. Poor form here.

BettyS

beakerjoe wrote: »

It was very clear who they were i the context. Poor form here.

Oh, but I am just some ignorant pleb, who doesn’t have one iota of critical thinking by this poster. They (anewme for clarification) liked the posts when I was attacked for not being as intellectually superior as another poster.

It is a wonder that I can string a sentence together at all. In fact, I must be copying and pasting all my posts directly from the Daily Mail. I cannot possibly have an original thought of my own. I regurgitate what the press feeds me

anewme

retro:electro wrote: »

I have stated many times I believe her mental health suffered. You wouldn’t be human if your mental health wasn’t impacted by all that went on. What I’m curious about is why she went to HR instead of a doctor to ask for help, why she was told no and why Harry didn’t do more to help her instead of getting spruced up for pointless events. When you are only told half a story with the most important details left out then naturally, people will enquire.

I’m not talking about you personally. Aimed at the posters who said she is lying in the first place.

They don’t believe she asked for help if they don’t believe her in the first place.

Princess Calla

BettyS wrote: »

Her brother apparently lived homeless.

Half brother!

What has that got to do with anything?

She didn't kick him out? It's not her fault that at the age of 53 her elder half brother hadn't got himself a secure job and secure accomodation. He is not her responsibility.


The Markle side appear to be nuttier than squirrel poo , I'm not surprised that she has cut them out of her life though I don't think they were in her life much to start with.