Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

BettyS

Princess Calla wrote: »

Half brother!

What has that got to do with anything?

She didn't kick him out? It's not her fault that at the age of 53 her elder half brother hadn't got himself a secure job and secure accomodation. He is not her responsibility.


The Markle side appear to be nuttier than squirrel poo , I'm not surprised that she has cut them out of her life though I don't think they were in her life much to start with.

So, people cannot attack Meghan Markle’s mental health (I don’t think anybody should attack the veracity of another’s state of mind) but you can call her brother nuttier than squirrel poo because he lived homeless. Wow, the hypocrisy!

I brought it up as a reinforcement of the rags to riches element of her story.

But your comment about a homeless man is shocking!

Mental health only matters for Meghan! To hell with the rest of them. And shame on those that like your post

anewme

BettyS wrote: »

Oh, but I am just some ignorant pleb, who doesn’t have one iota of critical thinking by this poster. They (anewme for clarification) liked the posts when I was attacked for not being as intellectually superior as another poster.

It is a wonder that I can string a sentence together at all. In fact, I must be copying and pasting all my posts directly from the Daily Mail. I cannot possibly have an original thought of my own. I regurgitate what the press feeds me

You jump to a lot on conclusions from something that was never said.?

Show me where I said any of that?

Princess Calla

BettyS wrote: »

So, people cannot attack Meghan Markle’s mental health (I don’t think anybody should attack the veracity of another’s state of mind) but you can call her brother nuttier than squirrel poo because he lived homeless. Wow, the hypocrisy!

I brought it up as a reinforcement of the rags to riches element of her story.

But your comment about a homeless man is shocking!

Mental health only matters for Meghan! To hell with the rest of them. And shame on those that like your post

Nothing to do with him being homeless , more to do with him taking a gun to his fiancees head.

Maybe you see that as normal rational behaviour.

Edit to add....I also said family, not just him.

I've detailed the family dynamics twice already in this thread , I'm not doing it a third time.

Leg End Reject

anewme wrote: »

You jump to a lot on conclusions from something that was never said.?

Show me where I said any of that?

It wasn't you it was sebdavis (spelling?) who said it, you were mentioned as agreeing with him.

maestroamado

retro:electro wrote: »

I have stated many times I believe her mental health suffered. You wouldn’t be human if your mental health wasn’t impacted by all that went on. What I’m curious about is why she went to HR instead of a doctor to ask for help, why she was told no and why Harry didn’t do more to help her instead of getting spruced up for pointless events. When you are only told half a story with the most important details left out then naturally, people will enquire.

Your point is pretty much same as my thinking, what is HR mean in what you say?
The only thing for me is Human Resource, if she got advise from anyone else but a Doctor and is complaining it does not look good...

Multipass

retro:electro wrote: »

I never implied that they responded in that manner. All the more strange then that Harry didn’t do more in his power to get her help. Shove your glitzy events, my partner is going to kill themselves, and I’m going to do all that I can to help her.
It’s strange.

Exactly. Doesn’t she even say in the interview that he told her to go put her make up on for whatever the event was. If no-one helped her the blame should primarily fall at his feet, come on he was the person living with her.

Ms2011

retro:electro wrote: »

I have stated many times I believe her mental health suffered. You wouldn’t be human if your mental health wasn’t impacted by all that went on. What I’m curious about is why she went to HR instead of a doctor to ask for help, why she was told no and why Harry didn’t do more to help her instead of getting spruced up for pointless events. When you are only told half a story with the most important details left out then naturally, people will enquire.

I'd say it comes down to the institutionalisation of people when they are in the royal family, they don't know any better than to go to the 'institution' for help and when that help is denied (if it was) they're not really sure where to turn next.

I don't believe there is anything wrong with MM being estranged from some of her family. We can't all be from The Waltons!

Regarding the mental health story, from watching the interview, it appears her mental health issues were all because of bad press or perceived bad press about her.
She expected the Royal family to do or say something about it.
They don't, however, they rise above it.
Why would she go to a senior royal for help, surely she would call a doctor herself, or her husband would? So, did she go to them to help with the press? Can't see any other reason.

And now, that's her complaint, they didn't 'protect ' her from the press. So she gives an interview about them.

Bad form on her part, very bad form. She needs to stop reading everything written about herself, stop looking at rubbish websites and get on with her life.

BettyS

bubblypop wrote: »

I don't believe there is anything wrong with MM being estranged from some of her family. We can't all be from The Waltons!

Regarding the mental health story, from watching the interview, it appears her mental health issues were all because of bad press or perceived bad press about her.
She expected the Royal family to do it say something about it.
They don't, however, they rise above it.
Why would she go to a senior royal for help, surely she would call a doctor herself, or her husband would? So, did she go to them to help with the press? Can't see any other reason.

And now, that's her complaint, they didn't 'protect ' her from the press. So she gives an interview about them.

Bad form on her part, very bad form. She needs to stop reading everything written about herself, stop looking at rubbish websites and get on with her life.

The press is horrid. It writes very negatively about most celebrities. Brooklyn Beckham is one that springs to mind. Or Britney Spears. Or Lindsay Lohan. It doesn’t at all make it right. But it is sadly the price of fame. Some rag (National Enquirer) will write awful lies about the rich and famous

JoChervil

For me, if someone wants help goes to the doctors or asks family members.

If someone wants leaks of them being suicidal goes to a common employee in HR.

Leg End Reject

Ms2011 wrote: »

I'd say it comes down to the institutionalisation of people when they are in the royal family, they don't know any better than to go to the 'institution' for help and when that help is denied (if it was) they're not really sure where to turn next.

Everyone knows they're as far from a normal family as you can get.

Everyone knows they're subjected to intense media scrutiny and that it is very often negative.

Everyone knows that if you marry into the family you lose a lot of your personal freedom and the right to speak about your political views.

Everyone except Megan that is because she didn't Google them, and Harry seems to have forgotten to give her the heads up.

JoChervil

I mean emails to HR don't prove anything. Only doctor's examination can prove it.

JJayoo

From a snippets I have seen , Megan mentioned how her passport and drivers license were taken away, I thought due to their diplomatic immunity they don't need passports to travel?

JJayoo

JJayoo wrote: »

From a snippets I have seen , Megan mentioned how her passport and drivers license were taken away, I thought due to their diplomatic immunity they don't need passports to travel?

They have passports, their travel details are attended to by personal secretaries or assistants, who have their passports.
Diplomats have passports.

Leg End Reject

JoChervil wrote: »

I mean emails to HR doesn't prove anything. Only doctor's examination can prove it.

And HR are only responsible for dealing with employee's issues, not arranging medical treatments for the members of the family

BettyS

JoChervil wrote: »

I mean emails to HR don't prove anything. Only doctor's examination can prove it.

Leg End Reject wrote: »

And HR are only responsible for dealing with employee's issues, not arranging medical treatments for the members of the family

Does anybody know what the responsibility of HR is if somebody presents acutely unwell?

Leg End Reject

BettyS wrote: »

Does anybody know what the responsibility of HR is if somebody presents acutely unwell?

Would you contact HR in work of you required urgent medical attention?

Or perhaps do something as mad as contact a doctor instead?

maestroamado

BettyS wrote: »

Does anybody know what the responsibility of HR is if somebody presents acutely unwell?

A person be advised to seek Medical advise.
She was not an employee so why would she go to HR this seems vague...

Tyrone212

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Would you contact HR in work of you required urgent medical attention?

Or perhaps do something as mad as contact a doctor instead?

Quite an ignorant view you have on mental health. Every mental health campaign tells people to reach out if they are having issues and talk to someone but according to some here keep your mouth shut and only talk to a doctor about it and if you don't then there's f all wrong with you.

I wonder how many suicidal people who were close to reaching out and telling someone what's going on but were put off by events of this past week where they were feel like they won't be believed/mocked or the person won't want to know.

The mental health charity MIND is in agreement but what would they know, they only specialise in this. Ignorant people won't grasp that though. They know better.

Leg End Reject

Tyrone212 wrote: »

Quite an ignorant view you have on mental health. Every mental health campaign tells people to reach out if they are having issues and talk to someone but according to some here keep your mouth shut and only talk to a doctor about it and if you don't then there's f all wrong with you.

I wonder how many suicidal people who were close to reaching out and telling someone what's going on but were put off by events of this past week where they were feel like they won't be believed/mocked or the person won't want to know.

The mental health charity MIND is in agreement but what would they know, they only specialise in this. Ignorant people won't grasp that though. They know better.

But she said Harry knew? Why didn't he, her husband and a vocal mental health advocate, do something?

Ms2011

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Everyone knows they're as far from a normal family as you can get.

Everyone knows they're subjected to intense media scrutiny and that it is very often negative.

Everyone knows that if you marry into the family you lose a lot of your personal freedom and the right to speak about your political views.

Everyone except Megan that is because she didn't Google them, and Harry seems to have forgotten to give her the heads up.

I was offering up a possible reason why they might have gone to HR or whoever when Meghan started to feel unwell rather than straight to a doctor like your or I might but like you say they are not a 'normal' family.

Tyrone212

Leg End Reject wrote: »

But she said Harry knew? Why didn't he, her husband and a vocal mental health advocate, do something?

Zero defense of what you said, just changed the subject.

Well he left the Royal family and took her away from that toxic environment so he did do something.

Still don't expect you to respond to the ignorance part. More whataboutery instead no doubt.

Leg End Reject

Ms2011 wrote: »

I was offering up a possible reason why they might have gone to HR or whoever when Meghan started to feel unwell rather than straight to a doctor like your or I might but like you say they are not a 'normal' family.

Shouldn't Harry have known what to do given that he grew up in that environment? Why did both of them think it was up to others to get help?

Can neither of them make a phone call?

walshb

All this talk about RF and HR and what the RF did or don’t do is pointless.

They do NOT get into petty back and forth with tabloids and speculation and he said she said..

Meghan and Harry are clearly into this tell all sensationalist attention seeking, but RF won’t engage here, and rightly so. It’s trashy gossip...

Ash.J.Williams

I hope the 300000 billion million will help

retro:electro

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Shouldn't Harry have known what to do given that he grew up in that environment? Why did both of them think it was up to others to get help?

Can neither of them make a phone call?

I don’t understand why instead of contacting every single professional he knew, they instead put their glad rags on and went to some pointless event where she apparently sat crying the whole way through. I would have been like fcuk this performative bullishlt, my wife just told me she is suicidal and I’m getting her help. If she feels the RF failed her then she needs to accept that her husband did too. Would the fact that your wife is suicidal not make you realise that all the superficial pageantry is ridiculous?

walshb

retro:electro wrote: »

I don’t understand why instead of contacting every single professional he knew, they instead put their glad rags on and went to some pointless event where she apparently sat crying the whole way through. I would have been like fcuk this performative bullishlt, my wife just told me she is suicidal and I’m getting her help. If she feels the RF failed her then she needs to accept that her husband did too.

Could it be because she was not suicidal, and did not tell Harry that she was?

But, if she did: as you say...Harry is to blame. He is her husband!!!

He is the RF, as well..

Ms2011

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Shouldn't Harry have known what to do given that he grew up in that environment? Why did both of them think it was up to others to get help?

Can neither of them make a phone call?

Harry was born and raised in an institution, he was very much institutionalised. Meghan might not have been in the right frame of mind to be thinking straight. They went to the people they thought would help but (if claims are to be believed) help was denied.
Harry in the end did one better than make a phonecall, he took matters into his own hands and took his wife out of the situation.

Leg End Reject

retro:electro wrote: »

I don’t understand why instead of contacting every single professional he knew, they instead put their glad rags on and went to some pointless event where she apparently sat crying the whole way through. I would have been like fcuk this performative bullishlt, my wife just told me she is suicidal and I’m getting her help. If she feels the RF failed her then she needs to accept that her husband did too.

I believe she said he told her to stay at home because she wasn't up to it, she said she couldn't be alone so got dressed up and went. Looking at the photos of the event all they can now see are their white knuckles from gripping each other's hand.

It just seems so exaggerated and false. If she was suicidal Harry should have brought her to hospital, for her own safety and that of their unborn baby.

Leg End Reject

Ms2011 wrote: »

Harry was born and raised in an institution, he was very much institutionalised. Meghan might not have been in the right frame of mind to be thinking straight. They went to the people they thought would help but (if claims are to be believed) help was denied.
Harry in the end did one better than make a phonecall, he took matters into his own hands and took his wife out of the situation.

When she was suicidal though he brought her to a royal engagement.

Can you not see the issue others have with that?