Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

JoChervil

extra gravy wrote: »

Disagree. Shame is a symptom of mental illness for a lot of people. It shouldn't be but it is. And he's not any more immune to it than anyone else. If anything, being honest about the shame does more good than bad.

That's the point. The campaigner should encourage people not to be ashamed, that there is nothing to be ashamed of, that they are simply ill.

extra gravy

JoChervil wrote: »

That's the point. The campaigner should encourage people not to be ashamed, that there is nothing to be ashamed of, that they are simply ill.

I agree but I guess in this instance he was Harry the person not Harry the campaigner.

JoChervil

extra gravy wrote: »

I agree but I guess in this instance he was Harry the person not Harry the campaigner.

But he was not saying about his own illness, that he was ashamed, what would be understandable. He was saying that he was ashamed of her illness, what only adds stigma to it.

BettyS

extra gravy wrote: »

Disagree. Shame is a symptom of mental illness for a lot of people. It shouldn't be but it is. And he's not any more immune to it than anyone else. If anything, being honest about the shame does more good than bad.

But was his shame not in response to Meghan’s struggles? Thus, not a symptom of his!

JoChervil

And because he was ashamed and didn't ask for help, so RF is guilty

BettyS

JoChervil wrote: »

And because he was ashamed and didn't ask for help, so RF is guilty

Sometimes, people can be surprising about their kind and open response to mental health. Sometimes, it is our own internalised shame that is the barrier to seeking help. Perhaps, Harry’s family would have surprised him in response to Meghan’s mental health. There was a conciliatory tone in the queen’s words

maestroamado

BettyS wrote: »

Sometimes, people can be surprising about their kind and open response to mental health. Sometimes, it is our own internalised shame that is the barrier to seeking help. Perhaps, Harry’s family would have surprised him in response to Meghan’s mental health. There was a conciliatory tone in the queen’s words

The Queen is an absolute, i realized that on her visit here.
Before that i thought RF stuffy...

BettyS

maestroamado wrote: »

The Queen is an absolute, i realized that on her visit here.
Before that i thought RF stuffy...

An absolute?

extra gravy

BettyS wrote: »

Sometimes, people can be surprising about their kind and open response to mental health. Sometimes, it is our own internalised shame that is the barrier to seeking help. Perhaps, Harry’s family would have surprised him in response to Meghan’s mental health. There was a conciliatory tone in the queen’s words

That's true and it's clear from the interview I thought that they have a great deal of affection for the Queen and that seems to be reciprocated. I'm sure she's had her own struggles along the way as well.

BettyS

extra gravy wrote: »

That's true and it's clear from the interview I thought that they have a great deal of affection for the Queen and that seems to be reciprocated. I'm sure she's had her own struggles along the way as well.

I hope that the help that they would receive from the family would be different than the response from the business.

I worry that the message will be propagated that help is not available for those who need it. Seeking help as somebody in mental distress is the most courageous and powerful step! It can be life-changing! A lot of people out there wish that loved ones had spoken sooner! Help will always be there for those who need it! If there isn’t a door, there is a window.

Gradius

Two nigh-on scam artists, interviewed by another scam artist, earning millions from said interview, almost cry about something some people may have said to them one time while wiping crocodile tears with generations-worth of wealth.

I don't think I'll ever get over the shock, maybe I should send them a card or something.

BettyS

The YouGov poll last week found that Prince Andrew was by far the least popular royal amongst the U.K. public.

Leg End Reject

BettyS wrote: »

The YouGov poll last week found that Prince Andrew was by far the least popular royal amongst the U.K. public.

Where did Meggers and Hostage come?

Deseras

The racist in family will be prince charles
As he would be the only one who would discuss protocol.
about 10% of megan's interview was lies as an actress she did not blink when she told them
But majority was true.
in ireland should we really care about the royal family it's like a soap opera

walshb

Deseras wrote: »

The racist in family will be prince charles
As he would be the only one who would discuss protocol.
about 10% of megan's interview was lies as an actress she did not blink when she told them
But majority was true.
in ireland should we really care about the royal family it's like a soap opera

Would you not prefer to know the exact context of what was allegedly said before labeling the man a racist?

Stateofyou

BettyS wrote: »

And people using the Oprah interview as a source of fact, when several claims have been proved to be blatantly untrue

What's been proven untrue?

About the private wedding, it seemed to me to be more like they wanted a private moment or "wedding", not a legal wedding.

Here's what she said: "So, the vows that we have framed in our room are just the two of us in our backyard with the Archbishop of Canterbury."

They spoke private vows, and I think it sounds lovely. People want so badly to try and catch them out that they're given no benefit of the doubt like you would anyone else.

Stateofyou

BettyS wrote: »

I hear you. But every action has its consequences. And Harry’s alienation from his family is the price

He felt and was alienated from his family long before that interview. Going off his statements of feeling hurt/let down/unsupported and later having his calls ignored.

Stateofyou

retro:electro wrote: »

The situation could have been something like: Meghan goes to someone “senior” at the palace and states she needs to get treatment somewhere for her mental health. They tell her they cannot be the ones to send her to a facility as if it gets out it will be “the palace sends Meghan away to seek mental help”, and it will be spun in all sorts of directions that doesn’t reflect the truth. That they empathise with the very tough situation she is going through but they are not in a position to send her, but will get her all the help she needs where she can then be referred on by a specialist. That they have access to some of the best doctors and will do anything to help her but she needs to talk to a professional first.
See how something like that can be spun into “I asked for help and they told me no as it would look bad”..

The whole conversation and context are very important in order to know what went on. Not drip fed and evasive, one step forward two steps back, saying without saying, kind of speak.

But this isn't what she said how it (her own experience) was. You don't have to make up an imagined scenario. If they had offered help then, she wouldn't be sat there telling a very different story. You're basically saying she wanted to be a victim, didn't want help, and Harry and Meghan wanted her to suffer postpartum to be a martyr of some kind??

Here's what she said: ""I went to the institution. And I said that I needed to go somewhere to get help," she said.

"I said, I never felt this way before and I need to go somewhere.

"I was told that I couldn't. That it wouldn't be good for the institution."

Leg End Reject

Stateofyou wrote: »

What's been proven untrue?

About the private wedding, it seemed to me to be more like they wanted a private moment or "wedding", not a legal wedding.

Here's what she said: "So, the vows that we have framed in our room are just the two of us in our backyard with the Archbishop of Canterbury."

They spoke private vows, and I think it sounds lovely. People want so badly to try and catch them out that they're given no benefit of the doubt like you would anyone else.

I'm sure Meghan claimed they actually got married 3 days before, and that the public wedding was merely for show?

Stateofyou

retro:electro wrote: »

It’s very stage as patron to a myriad of mental health charities and with access to many professionals, that Harry didn’t do more to help his pregnant and suicidal wife. He also said on another part of the interview that he was ashamed to tell his family about her mental health but she made out as if they knew and didn’t care.

It’s all very inconsistent.

That's very judgement to say he didn't do more to help his pregnant and suicidal wife. He said he made the decision to pull his family out of that role. What could be bigger than pulling the biggest eject button of all time? You can't heal in the same environment that's harming you.

It's being reiterated by Meghan and Harry's friend Janina Gavankar that they (the Firm) knew the full extent of what was going on with them.

Stateofyou

Leg End Reject wrote: »

I'm sure Meghan claimed they actually got married 3 days before, and that the public wedding was merely for show?

They had their own ceremony by the sounds of it. You know, none of us are married by the ceremony. You're only legally married once you've filed the paperwork. Not romantic to point it out, but that's the way it is. So we all say we've been married once the ceremony is done, or some people renew their vows or refer to getting married again, but it's not legal of course.

It seems so petty to pick them apart on anything and everything. If you look hard enough for offence you find it everywhere.

Stateofyou

Stateofyou wrote: »

That's very judgement to say he didn't do more to help his pregnant and suicidal wife. He said he made the decision to pull his family out of that role. What could be bigger than pulling the biggest eject button of all time? You can't heal in the same environment that's harming you.

It's being reiterated by Meghan and Harry's friend Janina Gavankar that they (the Firm) knew the full extent of what was going on with them.

And what has changed?
Harry took his family away from the Royal family so they wouldn't be in the media so much. So Meghan wouldn't have to read stories about herself.

How's that working out, do you think? Has he succeeded?

Leg End Reject

Stateofyou wrote: »

That's very judgement to say he didn't do more to help his pregnant and suicidal wife. He said he made the decision to pull his family out of that role. What could be bigger than pulling the biggest eject button of all time? You can't heal in the same environment that's harming you.

It's being reiterated by Meghan and Harry's friend Janina Gavankar that they (the Firm) knew the full extent of what was going on with them.

Apparently when Meghan told Harry she was worried she would harm herself and their unborn baby. They had a royal engagement that night so Harry suggested she stay at home. She said she couldn't be alone so off they went.

Do you genuinely think that was the best course of action? Or that perhaps he should have brought her to hospital where she would be observed, diagnosed and given the treatment she needed?

Would any rational person, or one seriously concerned about this revelation, bring their suicidal partner to a work function?

Stateofyou

retro:electro wrote: »

I never implied that they responded in that manner. All the more strange then that Harry didn’t do more in his power to get her help. Shove your glitzy events, my partner is going to kill themselves, and I’m going to do all that I can to help her.
It’s strange.

Nobody is perfect. They did the best they could at the time with the pressure they were under. It's always easy in hindsight and outside their reality to judge and point the fingers. Again, no one would do this to anyone else we know in real life (or I hope to god you don't). And you know what, I bet he does have regrets about the way some things were handled, and maybe her too. There isn't a person alive on this planet who could say any different. I think they deserve some grace and basic level of human understanding like anyone else.

retro:electro

Stateofyou wrote: »

That's very judgement to say he didn't do more to help his pregnant and suicidal wife. He said he made the decision to pull his family out of that role. What could be bigger than pulling the biggest eject button of all time? You can't heal in the same environment that's harming you.

It's being reiterated by Meghan and Harry's friend Janina Gavankar that they (the Firm) knew the full extent of what was going on with them.

If it’s judgemental then so be it. I’m expressing my confusion towards the whole scenario. She has judged “the institution” for failing to help her but her husband had ties to some of the top professionals in the UK and prioritised going to a Mickey Mouse event over getting her help. If the palace failed her well then so did her husband.

Leg End Reject

Stateofyou wrote: »

They had their own ceremony by the sounds of it. You know, none of us are married by the ceremony. You're only legally married once you've filed the paperwork. Not romantic to point it out, but that's the way it is. So we all say we've been married once the ceremony is done, or some people renew their vows or refer to getting married again, but it's not legal of course.

It seems so petty to pick them apart on anything and everything. If you look hard enough for offence you find it everywhere.

I'm not looking for offence, she said they were actually married 3 days before the wedding that was just for show.

It's very easy to find inaccuracies everywhere in their interview.

tipptom

Pair of grifters who are disgracefully using race and mental health in their stupid little bitch fight.

She looked like she was telling lies in the interview and the two of then could not even get their story straight,any interviewer that was not as biased the tacky women she invited to her wedding but had never met, would have skewered them both.

He looked the bigger idiot though, if he cant even look after his wife and is that clueless and helpless when she is supposedly so ill and under attack.

Hope she gets what she can out of him and continues to tout him around America and use him as currency to further herself in what she probably thinks is American royalty like Oprah and rappers with blingy cribs.

retro:electro

Stateofyou wrote: »

Nobody is perfect. They did the best they could at the time with the pressure they were under. It's always easy in hindsight and outside their reality to judge and point the fingers. Again, no one would do this to anyone else we know in real life (or I hope to god you don't). And you know what, I bet he does have regrets about the way some things were handled, and maybe her too. There isn't a person alive on this planet who could say any different. I think they deserve some grace and basic level of human understanding like anyone else.

Does this basic level of human understanding extend to whoever the individual was who told her she can’t get help?

Leg End Reject

retro:electro wrote: »

If it’s judgemental then so be it. I’m expressing my confusion towards the whole scenario. She has judged “the institution” for failing to help her but her husband had ties to some of the top professionals in the UK and priorities going to a Mickey Mouse event over getting her help. If the palace failed her well then so did her husband.

Wife: "I'm really struggling and afraid I'll harm myself or our baby".

Husband: "You should stay at home".

Wife: "I can't be alone right now".

Husband: "Better get dressed and put your slap on so".



Yeah, totally normal ...

retro:electro

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Wife: "I'm really struggling and afraid I'll harm myself or our baby".

Husband: "You should stay at home".

Wife: "I can't be alone right now".

Husband: "Better get dressed and put your slap on so".



Yeah, totally normal ...

It’s completely ridiculous when you think about it