Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

BettyS

Purple Mountain wrote: »

I agree..even the whole thing about someone in the family speaking about the baby that H+M would have and what that might look like.
We already discussed that it might have been a musing out loud about who the child would take after in terms of genetics but..also..it could have been William/Charles/Camilla gently advising Harry that if the baby looked "brown", then this would be the first Royal person to look so and perhaps it was some words of caution or advice about how media or vicious trolls might make mean comments.
Without any context to any of these claims, we are all just left guessing.

Also, if it was Charles or William and meant in a truly pejorative and racist manner, then it is in the public interest for us to know. It will complete alter the public’s appetite for a future monarchy. I am sure that most civil people would revolt at the idea of a true racist as head of state.

But without context, who knows what was said, in what manner, by whom

tipptom

Stateofyou wrote: »

Racism is a real scourge in society and on people who experience it. They're not "using race." It happened to her, it happens to all people of colour throughout their life.

Mental health issues are also very real, and most of us have some kind of mental harm at some point in our lives, to varying degree.

Likening those very serious and real issues to a "stupid little bitch fight" is just irresponsible and belittling to others who face this every day.

Of course racism and mental health are very serious issues and very real but its not real in this instance in my opinion

We all suffer episodes in life and do our best to deal with it and put it behind us not jump back into it as publicaly as is possible to the world if you think the media is responsible for it

What next for them,twerking in the backgound to Beyonces latest tribute hit song/video to help deal with their alleged issues

retro:electro

Another loser in all of this is the ability to freely express critical thinking. I’m not sure what has happened in the last week but it’s like if you don’t swallow everything this pair have said wholesale then you are a white privilege racist or something or other. I could not care less what colour either of them are, but when someone starts off their interview on an outright exaggeration and then proceeds to slate people one after the other for two hours straight without a shed of proof, only “feelings”, I find it very sad that some of that can’t be called into question. It’s just a very sad road now that we seem to be going down. Meghan said a lot of questionable things without any basis but because she is mixed race we must believe everything she says. Well sorry but my brain does not work like that. I see her as a human being first and foremost, capable of lying like every other human, capable of having flaws and playing the victim, like every other human on planet earth. And I treat what came out of her mouth in the same vein as I would a white person. Why wouldn’t I?Race shouldn’t be a shield you hide behind to protect you from criticism when needed.

Leg End Reject

I'm not sure if some posters have very earnest, politically correct families, but you regularly hear comments like "I hope the baby looks like the mother/father", "I hope the baby gets his/her father's brains and mother's looks", or less kindly "That poor child is the head of his/her mother/father."

walshb

Even her referring to her husband’s relatives as the firm was very disrespectful..

They are the Royal Family. And she hadn’t the decency or decorum to refer to them as such

They are human beings, people..but to some here, respect is one way...

I have a feeling that if she had called them nut cases, some here would still fail to call her out on it; because it’s just anti Royal..not pro Meghan or pro justice.

The firm, to describe human beings in this instance is not warm, friendly or welcoming. It has a dark/sinister side..

BettyS

walshb wrote: »

Even her referring to her husband’s relatives as the firm was very disrespectful..

They are human beings, people..but to some here, respect is one way...

I have a feeling that if she had called them nut cases, some here would still fail to call her out on it; because it’s just anti Royal..not pro Meghan or pro justice.

The firm, to describe human beings in this instance is not warm, friendly or welcoming. It has a dark/sinister side..

It is that exactly that is the biggest tragedy of all. There is a family torn apart. Anybody who has been involved in an acrimonious family schism will know the sheer magnitude of pain that this brings to all parties.

Harry did not leave his job in the U.K. He left his family. I hope that he does not live to regret this. It is an extraordinarily high price to pay for any person

chooseusername

walshb wrote: »

Even her referring to her husband’s relatives as the firm was very disrespectful..

They are the Royal Family. And she hadn’t the decency or decorum to refer to them as such

They are human beings, people..but to some here, respect is one way...

I have a feeling that if she had called them nut cases, some here would still fail to call her out on it; because it’s just anti Royal..not pro Meghan or pro justice.

The firm, to describe human beings in this instance is not warm, friendly or welcoming. It has a dark/sinister side..

The Royal Family refer to themselves as "The Firm" .

walshb

chooseusername wrote: »

The Royal Family refer to themselves as "The Firm" .

Really?

You talking about Philip? When he said he married into the firm?

I wasn’t aware of any consistent use of the firm by actual royals..

Anyway, to use it when referring to a family (people) you married into is disrespectful. It’s not warm or welcoming..

And she absolutely knew that it was disrespectful and rude..

Referring to any family (people) as the firm is disrespectful in my view.

I mean, if you met them (or any persons) would you say something like how’s the firm, or how’s the family?

What sounds more respectful?

Leg End Reject

Let's be honest though, that interview was primarily intended for the American public.

Americans are weirdly patriotic, and would view Meghan as one of their own. They won't question the veracity of the content and do not understand the reality of the life in the royal family.

So this interview was publicity to launch themselves as a brand in America and will help promote their Netflix and Apple deals.

Dare I say it, much like Piers Morgan had "A public tantrum" ahead of his new gig.

retro:electro

Kate Middleton has been pictured out paying her respects in Clapham at the memorial to Sarah Everard. Just herself and her protection officer.
I wonder do the palace know of this? She was already out last Tuesday, surely she is not due out not for another few months.

walshb

retro:electro wrote: »

Kate Middleton has been pictured out paying her respects in Clapham at the memorial to Sarah Everard. Just herself and her protection officer.
I wonder do the palace know of this? She was already out last Tuesday, surely she is not due out not for another few months.

A law unto herself that Kate one!

BettyS

I don’t know for how long will the Americans remain interest in them. Their allure was that they were willing to dispel the mystique. That is a one-trick pony

Suckit

chooseusername wrote: »

The Royal Family refer to themselves as "The Firm" .

I think that's innacurate.
Plenty of people refer to them as the firm, and they are known as it. But members of the Royal family don't refer to themselves as the firm, and if they do, they don't in public.
It definitely wouldn't be the norm. Nor is it considered disrespectful.
Both sides have a lot of sh*t wrong with them, but she was definitely trying something by referring to them as that. Not sure exactly what. Maybe implying the bigger picture.

retro:electro

BettyS wrote: »

I don’t know for how long will the Americans remain interest in them. Their allure was that they were willing to dispel the mystique. That is a one-trick pony

Exactly. Does anyone care about what they have to say apart from spilling tea on the RF? Interest in them is extremely one dimensional. I think they’re about to learn that. Can’t say I’d have much interest in their podcast or Netflix specials. Each to their own but I’d say they’re the type to waffle on in love with their own voices

BettyS

With regard to philosophy 101, nobody is truly free. If I was truly free to do anything, then I could steal from another human being. And hence, I would be impinging on their freedom. In a civilised society, our freedom must always be restricted to maintain equality. They will soon realise the restrictions of this freedom in the US

BettyS

retro:electro wrote: »

Exactly. Does anyone care about what they have to say apart from spilling tea on the RF? Interest in them is extremely one dimensional. I think they’re about to learn that. Can’t say I’d have much interest in their podcast or Netflix specials. Each to their own but I’d say they’re the type to waffle on in love with their own voices

The other key is that if they preach on simple living and sustainability, they just don’t have the legitimacy. That will turn the US viewers against them. It is hard to relate to somebody in a $30 million mansion. It is the same story with Leonardo Di Caprio. He preaches those same virtues from a super-yacht. People just don’t buy it

retro:electro

Suckit wrote: »

I think that's innacurate.
Plenty of people refer to them as the firm, and they are known as it. But members of the Royal family don't refer to themselves as the firm, and if they do, they don't in public.
It definitely wouldn't be the norm. Nor is it considered disrespectful.
Both sides have a lot of sh*t wrong with them, but she was definitely trying something by referring to them as that. Not sure exactly what. Maybe implying the bigger picture.

I think there were references to “the firm” in King George‘s famous speech but it gained notoriety mostly from Princess Diana who referred to the family as “the firm” and “the institution” in her famous interview. Just another in a long line of bizarre coincidences that Meghan seemed to co-opt in hers

BettyS

retro:electro wrote: »

I think there were references to “the firm” in King George‘s famous speech but it gained notoriety mostly from Princess Diana who referred to the family as “the firm” and “the institution” in her famous interview. Just another in a long line of bizarre coincidences that Meghan seemed to co-opt in hers

Didn’t Diana end up regretting he interview?

Leg End Reject

retro:electro wrote: »

Kate Middleton has been pictured out paying her respects in Clapham at the memorial to Sarah Everard. Just herself and her protection officer.
I wonder do the palace know of this? She was already out last Tuesday, surely she is not due out not for another few months.

To the Tower of London and off with her head!

retro:electro

BettyS wrote: »

Didn’t Diana end up regretting he interview?

She did. I wonder does Harry regret doing this deep down? I know your wife is being hailed as the ambassador to wokeness all over the internet but at what cost? Deeply upsetting your family? You’d wonder does he even get a second to himself to think, oh shlt..

Leg End Reject

BettyS wrote: »

Didn’t Diana end up regretting he interview?

Yes, wasn't there an enquiry because she was lied to in order to get her to agree to it. I've a vague memory of seeing it on the news on one of the English channels.

BettyS

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Yes, wasn't there an enquiry because she was lied to in order to get her to agree to it. I've a vague memory of seeing it on the news on one of the English channels.

Was there an investigation into Bashir?

The ultimate victors are Bashir and Oprah

walshb

retro:electro wrote: »

She did. I wonder does Harry regret doing this deep down? I know your wife is being hailed as the ambassador to wokeness all over the internet but at what cost? Deeply upsetting your family? You’d wonder does he even get a second to himself to think, oh shlt..

This post really nails what this is all about..

I can’t make head nor tales of Harry’s recent actions...

And I am really thinking he has little time left on his marriage..

retro:electro

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Yes, wasn't there an enquiry because she was lied to in order to get her to agree to it. I've a vague memory of seeing it on the news on one of the English channels.

It completely changed her life. Interest in her skyrocketed. You would think those who want privacy and who do not want “history to repeat itself” would learn from this.

Leg End Reject

BettyS wrote: »

Was there an investigation into Bashir?

The ultimate victors are Bashir and Oprah

I think so, and William and Harry had pushed for it.

Granadino

I'm as indifferent to the British royal family as I am to the Spanish or Dutch. I still cannot understand the interest in them. So much for the war if independence. Always remember, they didn't have much sympathy for the Irish when we were under their thumbs.

Princess Calla

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Yes, wasn't there an enquiry because she was lied to in order to get her to agree to it. I've a vague memory of seeing it on the news on one of the English channels.

There was something to do with forged bank records of her brothers.

This is all from memory....but I think a graphic designer was asked to make up records..he thought he was doing a prop.

Then his apartment was broken into and only thing stolen was the floppy disk it was saved to. Then he was blackballed from working with BBC.

The bbc did abit of to-ing and fro-ing about what records they had/didn't have over the years too.....

I think investigation is still technically open.

BettyS

It is a human-interest story. It is no different to us following a celebrity story

OscarMIlde

retro:electro wrote: »

The situation could have been something like: Meghan goes to someone “senior” at the palace and states she needs to get treatment somewhere for her mental health. They tell her they cannot be the ones to send her to a facility as if it gets out it will be “the palace sends Meghan away to seek mental help”, and it will be spun in all sorts of directions that doesn’t reflect the truth. That they empathise with the very tough situation she is going through but they are not in a position to send her, but will get her all the help she needs where she can then be referred on by a specialist. That they have access to some of the best doctors and will do anything to help her but she needs to talk to a professional first.
See how something like that can be spun into “I asked for help and they told me no as it would look bad”..

The whole conversation and context are very important in order to know what went on. Not drip fed and evasive, one step forward two steps back, saying without saying, kind of speak.

Or it could also be that the Palace previously warned her about promoting Goop style 'mental health' initiatives run by associates of hers, and Meghan has decided to spin this as the Palace denying her help with mental health issues.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90349957/meghan-and-harry-face-instagram-backlash-for-the-class-promo

Leg End Reject

OscarMIlde wrote: »

Or it could also be that the Palace previously warned her about promoting Goop style 'mental health' initiatives run by associates of hers, and Meghan has decided to spin this as the Palace denying her help with mental health issues.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90349957/meghan-and-harry-face-instagram-backlash-for-the-class-promo

Interesting!

And that says Meggers and Hostage were involved with setting up a helpline for mental health crisis, yet when she apparently had one the best they could come up with was a royal engagement.