Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

walshb

retro:electro wrote: »

Did she actually expect the palace to release an official statement saying “actually you guys Kate made Meghan cry”. It’s so petulant! Also maybe Kate’s version of events differ? Maybe there is two sides to the story so why would The Queen involve herself in such immature nonsense? She has seen out some of the most significant crisis in her position as Queen and as to keep schtum on issues like Brexit, Blair, Wars and Trump, why would she lower herself to even comment on this twaddle?

Stop..

More sense..

It’s embarrassing to think that this crying story was even considered an attack point for Markle..

Near 40 year old woman moaning because she felt people may have thought that she made another grown woman cry.....

So important that she then had to make sure she let us all know that Kate made her cry...

My head hurts. I reckon deep down, Harry’s does as well..

Instead of addressing that nonsense story the way she deviously did, she should have simply said to Oprah, that the whole story is a childish nonsense, and there was no crying at all...even if there was Meghan crying, just shut up and keep it to yourself...

Beyond petulant!

And to actually think that some people think that the RF should get involved here to clear up crygate? Wtf?!

I reckon the Queen hasn’t the fooking foggiest clue wtf is wrong..

Almost 70 years serving her country...and this utter nonsense pops up..

retro:electro

Ironically I think the fact that she may or may not have made Kate cry might be the least of her worries if the bullying allegations against her are anything to go by.

Hannibal_Smith

Leg End Reject wrote: »

The royal family don't engage with the press, that's been said numerous times. They can hardly expect a precedent to be set for them when they're leave.

We only have their word that their security was pulled suddenly, even if it was they wanted financial independence so they should have welcomed not being funded by taxpayers. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

You ask for help, you don't get it, you remove yourself from the situation. Thsts what anyone would do. When you're in a good place you might seek to have your say. Nothing unusual there.

Were they expecting too much seeking protection after they left? It depends ehst had been discussed between them I suppose. They felt it was a strong enough issue at the end of the day.

retro:electro wrote: »

Did she actually expect the palace to release an official statement saying “actually you guys Kate made Meghan cry”. It’s so petulant! Also maybe Kate’s version of events differ? Maybe there is two sides to the story so why would The Queen involve herself in such immature nonsense? She has seen out some of the most significant crisis in her position as Queen and as to keep schtum on issues like Brexit, Blair, Wars and Trump, why would she lower herself to even comment on this twaddle?

Lower herself to help her daughter in law in a situation she found so tough she didn't want to be alive any more?

JoChervil

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

You ask for help, you don't get it, you remove yourself from the situation. Thsts what anyone would do. When you're in a good place you might seek to have your say. Nothing unusual there.

But you ask for help doctors or family members, not HR. But Harry was too ashamed to talk to the family about it...

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

Lower herself to help her daughter in law in a situation she found so tough she didn't want to be alive any more?

You assume, she knew about the state she was in.

retro:electro

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

Lower herself to help her daughter in law in a situation she found so tough she didn't want to be alive any more?

They went above and beyond to help Meghan. She had the pick of the bunch when it came to aides and even rejected the Queen’s doctors and drafted in her own when expecting Archie. I don’t remember her ever saying she went directly to the Queen about being suicidal, do you? Instead she went to HR over seeing a doctor, where HR would have absolutely no power to send her to a facility for her mental health. Harry had access to some of the best professionals in the UK, is ambassador to lots of mental health charities but after she told him she wanted to kill herself, he brought her to a pointless event. Why? He failed her as much as everyone else she accuses of letting her down. Diana was referred to a therapist when she was with Charles so why would Meghan be any different? Harry had been in therapy for over 10 years but nobody knew how to get this pregnant suicidal woman any help. She had her own specialist team of doctors brought in to observe her throughout her pregnancy, why didn’t she call one of them and tell them how she was feeling instead of HR who have no authority to help her?
Yeah..

JoChervil

I am out. I am repeating myself.

I was on this thread because my pet hate is manipulation.

Not interested in any of them.

Hannibal_Smith

JoChervil wrote: »

But you ask for help doctors or family members, not HR. But Harry was too ashamed to talk to the family about it...

You assume, she knew about the state she was in.

They said they asked for help and were told no because of how it would look.

I was answering the question about whether the queen would lower herself to deal with twaddle. Maybe she personally didn't know the extent to which it was effecting Meghan. No one discussing it from either side here could know for sure about any of this. But as I said, at the beginning, it seems they feel they needed to have their say and they did. Some will believe it, some won't and some were never going to.

Tis the nature of it all.

cnocbui

retro:electro wrote: »

Ironically I think the fact that she may or may not have made Kate cry might be the least of her worries if the bullying allegations against her are anything to go by.

Weren't two of the bullying accusations originally withdrawn when the person who submitted them found out the third was actually dismissal for cause? Or something along those lines.

Hannibal_Smith

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

They said they asked for help and were told no because of how it would look.

I was answering the question about whether the queen would lower herself to deal with twaddle. Maybe she personally didn't know the extent to which it was effecting Meghan. No one discussing it from either side here could know for sure about any of this. But as I said, at the beginning, it seems they feel they needed to have their say and they did. Some will believe it, some won't and some were never going to.

Tis the nature of it all.

Meghan needed help to stop reading gutter newspaper articles about herself!

If her mental health was so affected by what the press said about her, she was in the wrong profession before she ever met Harry.
If things were getting worse because of her position in the Royal family, then leave, live a quiet life, away from the spotlight.
Not getting the point of her giving an interview complaining about them? Doesn't make sense.

retro:electro

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

They said they asked for help and were told no because of how it would look.

I was answering the question about whether the queen would lower herself to deal with twaddle. Maybe she personally didn't know the extent to which it was effecting Meghan. No one discussing it from either side here could know for sure about any of this. But as I said, at the beginning, it seems they feel they needed to have their say and they did. Some will believe it, some won't and some were never going to.

Tis the nature of it all.

Have their say at what cost though? Destroying Harry’s relationship with his family? Destroying their reputation globally based on nothing concrete? If they wanted their say they could have went about it in a myriad of other ways, like how Meghan did when she wrote in the New York Times about her miscarriage. What they did was above and beyond defending themselves, they engaged in the exact kind of tacky mud slinging Meghan shamed her father over. It’s an interview that will not age well for either of them. It will be a reference point in the future to see a narcissistic woman destroy her husband’s relationship with his family play out over two hours

retro:electro

cnocbui wrote: »

Weren't two of the bullying accusations originally withdrawn when the person who submitted them found out the third was actually dismissal for cause? Or something along those lines.

Don’t know, have you a source for that? A lot have since come forward though and there will be an external investigation into it so there must be something worth looking into

Don’t forget “What Meghan wants, Meghan gets” until told otherwise by the Queen. Meghan is no match for Her Majesty. Poor Harry.

retro:electro

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Don’t forget “What Meghan wants, Meghan gets” until told otherwise by the Queen. Meghan is no match for Her Majesty. Poor Harry.

I wonder why Oprah didn’t ask her about the origins of this quote and whether or not it’s true that she threw a strop before her wedding day over not getting the tiara she wanted..

retro:electro

retro:electro wrote: »

I wonder why Oprah didn’t ask her about the origins of this quote and whether or not it’s true that she threw a strop before her wedding day over not getting the tiara she wanted..

Or why she announced her pregnancy at Eugenies wedding, especially when Eugenie changed her wedding plans in order for Meg and Haz go first. No class.

retro:electro

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Or why she announced her pregnancy at Eugenies wedding. No class.

I feel most for poor Archie. No family on either side, so sad.

cnocbui

retro:electro wrote: »

Don’t know, have you a source for that? A lot have since come forward though and there will be an external investigation into it so there must be something worth looking into

Yeah, of course Knauf is compromised, as are many members of the Kensington Palace staff. William’s former private secretary was caught up in a bribery scheme involving his lover and Dan Wootton, for goodness sake. As for Toubati being fired for cause… that’s interesting, as is the detail about how the people who “complained” to Knauf ended up rescinding their complaints and not wanting to formalize them at all. I mean, I don’t even care at this point. I don’t even need Meghan or her friends to do a line-by-line denial. It’s really obvious what Kensington Palace was trying to do.

https://www.celebitchy.com/704037/duchess_meghans_bullying_victims_didnt_even_file_an_official_complaint_huh/

Though the Times article does not include any examples or details of the alleged bullying, the newspaper does share the feelings of two palace aides—who during moments said they felt “terrified” and “broken” while working for the duchess. However, missing from the paper’s report is the detail that neither staff member made complaints of their own or were aware that Knauf had sent an email to HR citing grievances. “When it became known to [the two individuals], they each asked for the matter to be rescinded and for it to not become an official complaint,” a source tells BAZAAR.com. (Reports that Prince Harry tried to intervene have been denied by the couple’s lawyers.)

Accusations of being “difficult” are nothing new for the Duchess of Sussex, whose 5 a.m. emails, text messages, and American work ethic became the subject of a flurry of damning reports leaked to tabloids in 2018 by dissatisfied staff members, who preferred a more genteel pace. “It’s not about what she does, it’s the fact she is so bloody opinionated all the time,” a source says one “frazzled” aide confessed after working on her May 2018 wedding. Another, who worked with Meghan on a charity initiative, told a colleague, “Her expectations are unrealistic. She wants everything done now. This is not Hollywood!”

One of those employees, personal assistant Melissa Toubati, left Kensington Palace in October 2018 after reportedly being “driven to tears,” according to British tabloid reports at the time. An aide anonymously defended the abrupt departure, quickly giving a glowing account of her tenure to the Daily Mail. However, it was later alleged in court documents during Meghan’s privacy case against The Mail on Sunday that Toubati had, in fact, been dismissed from her role. In the Sussex biography, Finding Freedom, sources revealed that it was Knauf’s longtime friendship with Toubati that had led the Sussexes to believe that certain staff, including their own press secretary, were “more interested in protecting one of their own than [Meghan].”

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a35716109/meghan-markle-disturbed-by-bullying-claims/

Lol, just as I predicted - American work ethic meets royal household work ethic. I recently read a quote from an American actress expressing astonishment at working down under on a movie where they only work 7 hours a day.

I suspect that bullying enquiry will quietly not happen.

Leg End Reject

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Or why she announced her pregnancy at Eugenies wedding, especially when Eugenie changed her wedding plans in order for Meg and Haz go first. No class.

And yet the pro-Meghan posters stated here they couldn't see any issue with that and that the bride and groom couldn't expect everyone to be focused on them all day! :pac:

valoren

walshb wrote: »

Who asked that they tell their version? Nobody...

Why not leave, as they did and just stfu and get on with their lives..

Was what they did (whatever it actually was) really worth it over some skin color comment that nobody has a damn clue about, and a little bit of an alleged cry from a grown woman over a pair of child’s shoes?

This absolute nonsense twisted by using two very emotive topics race and mental health..

Trying to cause as much damage to her in laws and his blood because of what?

Could be a case of "skating to where the puck will be" i.e. the bullying is to be investigated so you go on TV, frame the grey suits as callous and the family as racist, hope the mud sticks and by the time the investigation is concluded and bullying is confirmed then you already have a ready made excuse built in i.e. what else did you expect from the "institution", from those racists? They're lying. It would feed into the victim playing.

We've had a glimpse of this already with the leak which merely referred to the allegations and made no accusation of bullying. The response? It's a calculated smear campaign by the "Palace".

I guess when you've prepped for a lucrative stateside move as an ambassador for wokeness and compassion then the phone might stop ringing if you get outed as a bully. You'd better get your victim playing, sympathy inducing sob story on the record and I think that could be a motive with the Oprah interview, getting their "truth" out there to as large an audience as possible. They'd even do it for free.

cnocbui

Deleted User wrote: »

Or why she announced her pregnancy at Eugenies wedding, especially when Eugenie changed her wedding plans in order for Meg and Haz go first. No class.

You don't suppose it's possible someone commented that she looked like she was glowing and asked her if she was pregnant and she gave an honest answer?

Ayda Field: I suspected Meghan was pregnant at Princess Eugenie’s wedding
The X Factor judge said the Duchess of Sussex’s coat was a giveaway.

cnocbui

cnocbui wrote: »

You don't suppose it's possible someone commented that she looked like she was glowing and asked her if she was pregnant and she gave an honest answer?

In deference to the bride and groom, she should have kept schtum. It’s also interesting to note that the flower girls wore tights at Eugenies wedding.

retro:electro

cnocbui wrote: »

https://www.celebitchy.com/704037/duchess_meghans_bullying_victims_didnt_even_file_an_official_complaint_huh/

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a35716109/meghan-markle-disturbed-by-bullying-claims/

Lol, just as I predicted - American work ethic meets royal household work ethic. I recently read a quote from an American actress expressing astonishment at working down under on a movie where they only work 7 hours a day.

I suspect that bullying enquiry will quietly not happen.

Sounds like they could have been afraid of it getting out there but that does not discount their “lived experiences”.. right?! :pac:

In any event, it seems like things are starting to take shape with it now. I read that a lot of the staff wanted to give evidence in Meghan’s case against the mail but were blocked from doing so, and so they are doing this in order to get their story out there. We will likely not know the ins and outs of what actually went on until then. Feeling terrified and broken by someone you work for is not normal.

retro:electro

Sorry now hang on, are the same people who are slating the Daily Mail and thanking posts who do same now linking to sites called “celebbitchy.com”
That’s literally a blog?

Ah here

Ms2011

retro:electro wrote: »

I wonder why Oprah didn’t ask her about the origins of this quote and whether or not it’s true that she threw a strop before her wedding day over not getting the tiara she wanted..

Would it have mattered?
a) you wouldn't have believed her.
b) you'd have ripped to shreds any possible explanation she might give...what about this, highly doubt that etc.

cnocbui

Deleted User wrote: »

In deference to the bride and groom, she should have kept schtum. It’s also interesting to note that the flower girls wore tights at Eugenies wedding.

She should have lied - got it.

So the flower girls wore tights - the operative word here is 'Eugenies'. Should Meghan tell Eugenie how she wanted the flower girls dressed so thet Kate could in turn tell Meghan how they should appear at her wedding?

Back to the dishonesty you espouse...

How Meghan Markle's coat at Princess Eugenie's wedding gave away she's pregnant three days early

Viewers watching Eugenie's wedding on TV were convinced Meghan was hiding a baby bump

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/meghan-pregnant-coat-eugenie-wedding-13406945

Interesting all these people complaining about Meghan shouting she's pregnant at the top of her voice at Eugenie's wedding but how people who actually attended the wedding were deaf and said later they hadn't heard about it at the wedding:

The American actress and Loose Women host, 39, revealed that although she had not been told of Meghan’s pregnancy on the day, the fact she had worn a button-up coat had made her suspicious.

Megahn needs to work with a vocal coach so she can learn how to be more effective at spoiling other people's weddings.

retro:electro

Ms2011 wrote: »

Would it have mattered?
a) you wouldn't have believed her.
b) you'd have ripped to spreads any possible explanation she might give...what about this, highly doubt that etc.

OR!

C) she didn’t want to go there because she would have looked very bad indeed..

Ms2011

retro:electro wrote: »

OR!

C) she didn’t want to go there because she would have looked very bad indeed..

I rest my case

Purple Mountain

sporina wrote: »

Genuine Q... soo Meghan and Harry said that their off spring would not get security.. Do the off spring of Princess Anne, Prince Edward/Andrew get security?

I read that Ann and Edward themselves even dont.

I'd imagine not many staff lodge HR complaints against members of the RF.

Leg End Reject

Purple Mountain wrote: »

I read that Ann and Edward themselves even dont.

Did Edward disappear off the face of the earth? You never hear about him at all.

Sophie also had a hard time being portrayed as a party girl and topless photos published in the British tabloids.

Princess Calla

cnocbui wrote: »

You don't suppose it's possible someone commented that she looked like she was glowing and asked her if she was pregnant and she gave an honest answer?

Or noticed she wasn't drinking or
Not eating shellfish or
Not eating pate or
Any other number of foods that are on the avoid list for pregnant women.


Maybe they put 2&2 together thinking mmmm 36 yrs old, recently married , not eating foods she'd usually eat (guess on my part)