Traveller couple con two old ladies

Jequ0n

deise08 wrote: »

So what happens in a case like this?
What happens with the money?
Does it get paid back, or is it a matter of 'its mine now'?

What money?
You can be sure that it’s gone

Alaninwondeand

Jequ0n wrote: »

What money?
You can be sure that it’s gone

They would buy asset's for cash like horses, land in a kids name for said horses ect. Untraceable unless the CAB look into it properly.

When you see pie bald horses in a private field its usually owned by xx/xxx or rented out by a private owner/farmer. Over time they get the farmer to sell the land for cash. Grazing rights and all that, farmer's don't want the hassle.

Jequ0n

Alaninwondeand wrote: »

They would buy asset's for cash like horses, land in a kids name for said horses ect. Untraceable unless the CAB look into it properly.

When you see pie bald horses in a private field its usually owned by xx/xxx or rented out by a private owner/farmer. Over time they get the farmer to sell the land for cash. Grazing rights and all that, farmer's don't want the hassle.

It’s doubtful that this was their first stint and that they operated alone. It is incredibly easy to make funds disappear if you are put some planning into it.

malinheader

Jequ0n wrote: »

It’s doubtful that this was their first stint and that they operated alone. It is incredibly easy to make funds disappear if you are put some planning into it.

Maybe so,but I still think it boils down to how far you want to dig and how much resources are you willing to use to find out the truth of where the money went.
I agree there are far bigger money scams and fraudsters at large at the moment that probably need the resources but until we start to make a positive start of punishing these scumbags the gains they might make far outweigh the punishment they receive if caught.
Also there so called ethnic culture tag gives them some kind of get out of jail card when offending.

Jequ0n

malinheader wrote: »

Maybe so,but I still think it boils down to how far you want to dig and how much resources are you willing to use to find out the truth of where the money went.
I agree there are far bigger money scams and fraudsters at large at the moment that probably need the resources but until we start to make a positive start of punishing these scumbags the gains they might make far outweigh the punishment they receive if caught.
Also there so called ethnic culture tag gives them some kind of get out of jail card when offending.

I don’t think it would make anyone reconsider if one case was made an example of.
My view might be tainted of course but I am sure that you can always find someone to con if you look hard enough

keano_afc

Random Account wrote: »

**** Travellers. 90% of them thieving *****

Its the 99% that give the 1% a bad name.

malinheader

Jequ0n wrote: »

I don’t think it would make anyone reconsider if one case was made an example of.
My view might be tainted of course but I am sure that you can always find someone to con if you look hard enough

Agreed, but have to start somewhere and why not this case.
This thread nearly finished but I am fairly sure we will be back here again very shortly with a thread the same.
People posting what utter scumbags they are but at the end of the day the only winners are the scumbags that are committing the crimes.

Feisar

In fairness to them they do put forward a very strong case for ethnic cleansing.

Mysterypunter

BensMixed wrote: »

Definitely two scumbags but just look at the people trying to degrade and tarnish all travellers as a result of a crime committed by two scumbags who happen to be travellers.

Yeah, I agree that the 5% of travellers who don't break the law would be very upset by the out of character actions of the other 95%, its a few bad apples. I'd say you would love them living next to you, a nest of travellers on your doorstep. There would be no need to lock your door...... Coz you wouldn't have a door after they Rob it.

whisky_galore

Feisar wrote: »

In fairness to them they do put forward a very strong case for ethnic cleansing.

If they keep congregating in a pandemic they'll do the job themselves.

suicide_circus

Feisar wrote: »

In fairness to them they do put forward a very strong case for ethnic cleansing.

There is a legitimate debate to be had about the disproportionate levels criminality within the Traveller population but comments like the above stop this debate from happening

Car99

The only thing I'm surprised about is this thread hasn't been locked yet.

malinheader

suicide_circus wrote: »

There is a legitimate debate to be had about the disproportionate levels criminality within the Traveller population but comments like the above stop this debate from happening

Agree. But until we see someone in power seriously willing to make a stand against the travelling population and protect the rights of ordinary decent citizens of this country people will make statements like this after reading what happened to the likes of the old ladies.

Car99

malinheader wrote: »

Agree. But until we see someone in power seriously willing to make a stand against the travelling population and protect the rights of ordinary decent citizens of this country people will make statements like this after reading what happened to the likes of the old ladies.

If someone makes a stand the internet mob who most probably live in very nice areas of our cities would have them torn to shreds amd vilified in hours.

Jequ0n

Car99 wrote: »

If someone makes a stand the internet mob who most probably live in very nice areas of our cities would have them torn to shreds amd vilified in hours.

They could outsource the task to Sarkozy

Mysterypunter

malinheader wrote: »

Agree. But until we see someone in power seriously willing to make a stand against the travelling population and protect the rights of ordinary decent citizens of this country people will make statements like this after reading what happened to the likes of the old ladies.

The nearest to this was Peter Casey in the last presidential election, he rowed back a bit but polled well with over 23% of the vote, although he was never going to chin that ceremonial leprechaun, it was a good showing. People never have debates about this sort of issue, and never question the fact that Enda Kenny granted them ethnic minority status, and disappeared into the sunset. What was he thinking?

Mr_Muffin

There should be some sort of plan to phase out the travelling community over the next couple of decades. I haven't a clue how this could be done, but I honestly don't think it's humane to let them live the way they do. It's for their own good, and ours (non-travellers).

Feisar

suicide_circus wrote: »

There is a legitimate debate to be had about the disproportionate levels criminality within the Traveller population but comments like the above stop this debate from happening

Oh I agree, comments like mine aren't helpful at all.

Feisar

Mr_Muffin wrote: »

There should be some sort of plan to phase out the travelling community over the next couple of decades. I haven't a clue how this could be done, but I honestly don't think it's humane to let them live the way they do. It's for their own good, and ours (non-travellers).

I'd look up what the Australians tried to do to the Aborigines in the 50/60's before I suggested that.

JJayoo

I haven't read any posts but shame on all ye racists

Feisar

JJayoo wrote: »

I haven't read any posts but shame on all ye racists

Yer doing it wrong, it's like this:

SHAME, SHAME, SHAME ON YOU!

What is also key is you must lack the knowledge of what shame actually is.

JJayoo

Feisar wrote: »

Yer doing it wrong, it's like this:

SHAME, SHAME, SHAME ON YOU!

What is also key is you must lack the knowledge of what shame actually is.

First time on the internet?

Feisar

JJayoo wrote: »

First time on the internet?

I just found this Oceanfree CD and ended up here!

tjhook

We have a justice system where the imposition of a criminal record is considered a significant punishment. Often no other punishment is considered necessary.

This really only really affects the working/middle class(es). If you have a job, or are looking for a job, a criminal record will very much work against you. It may also makes it more difficult to travel abroad for work purposes. Those are real deterrents in terms of committing criminal acts.

At either extreme, it makes little difference. If you've made millions, the opinions of others matter less. You can brush off a white-collar conviction, keep your head down for a bit, and reemerge further down the road. People are unlikely to care about previous infractions so long if they believe you can make serious money for them.

At the other extreme, if you have little investment in society why would you care about yet another conviction to add to the 100 you already have.

It's all about risk/reward. At either extreme, the rewards of crime outweigh the risks. It's wider than just travelers.

1874

Feisar wrote: »

I'd look up what the Australians tried to do to the Aborigines in the 50/60's before I suggested that.

I dont agree with the other poster, but they need to be what could be positive about their community and not have a massive sense of entitlement, which as far as I can is used as an excuse to take but not contribute from society. Its not only travellers that are at that, I belive people should be supported to some extent, but no one should be funded for a lifestyle.


Regarding the things discussed in this thread,like all other criminals, these people should be answerable for any crimes committed. Their identity as a traveller should not be something they can hide behind and use as protection when something that is done is criminal/reprehensible.


The reality is, there are a lot of problems with traveller lifestyles that not just dont gel with a modern society or are completely out of sync with it but are wrong and likely not legal (I say likely as its my opinion).
I worked with one state organisation in the 90s and alongside another, I know what was said re the percentages of certain things going on.

Its widely known, the kind of behaviour reported in this thread is going on elsewhere, Ive come across it a few times myself and Ive been the target of some threats in the past, thats what happens if you stand up to them.


I dont know what the positives are in traveler society/culture, for them or for the rest of society?

Its up to them to find and bring that to the fore, what I see is a blatant disregard for society and others in it and a take take take mentality with a massive helping of huge chip on the shoulder, pandered to by a lily livered state and officials and a good helping of well meaning fools.


I have read (on boards) that in Germany, you can live outside the boundaries of society, but you cannot also then reap the benefits of society, (I dont know to what extents).
So, dont want to pay any tax or be a participating member of society, then you arent going to be funded for that, the person that highlighted that said there was a German name for it (its Germany, they would have a German name for it, wouldnt they).

Kermit.de.frog

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

:rolleyes:

The couple have four children.

Depressing really.

Kermit.de.frog

Undeserving of it's own thread but more behaviour that pees people off.

Shenanigans at Dublin Airport with travellers squatting at the end of runway (holding out for a ransom of course)

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/daa-seeks-fresh-injunctions-over-lands-required-for-runway-1.4508857?mode=amp

Counsel said, as well as the families already on the site, the McAleers, who are understood to have five children, had moved their caravan onto the site in the last few days. Mr and Mrs McAleer say a two-bedroom house which they have is too small for them, the court was told

Don't pay them a cent. Hopefully the judge wastes no time here.