The Bi-Lingual Auditory Assult By Newstalk

eirman

I strenuously object to the creeping intrusion of the gaelic language several times an hour on Newstalk bulletins.
It offends my auditory senses and is forcing me away Newstalk.
(I can never get to the mute function quick enough).

Appeal To Newstalk Management:
Please don't let a minority force their beliefs on the majority.

dvcireland

for me personally, it was george hook who made me move the dial

niallers1

Move to another radio station if it bothers you that much

There is a lot more offensive content on Newstalk. Our native language would be way down the list.

Allinall

Who’s forcing their beliefs?

Is the Irish language a belief now?

Morathi

It's just for seachtain na gaeilge*, you'll be able to understand when they say "and that's all the news for now/more in an hour" in a week or two.

I know these times are hard, but hang in there. If the world got through Megan and Harry leaving Buckingham, you can overcome this tragedy.


* This means Irish Language Week**

** Oddly runs for over two weeks.

eirman

gaeilgeoirís can be as extreme in their beliefs as the Greens in forcing their views on people's everyday lives.

eirman

Morathi wrote: »

It's just for seachtain na gaeilge*, you'll be able to understand when they say "and that's all the news for now/more in an hour" in a week or two.

I know these times are hard, but hang in there. If the world got through Megan and Harry leaving Buckingham, you can overcome this tragedy.


* This means Irish Language Week**

** Oddly runs for over two weeks.

Thanks Morathi - So you are saying that things will be back to normal soon?
Great news - I can now shelve plans to write to the station!

leath_dub

"Suas chun data" just sounds wrong - and sounds like a phrase tha was translated. word-by-word using a dictionary

An Ri rua

eirman wrote: »

I strenuously object to the creeping intrusion of the gaelic language several times an hour on Newstalk bulletins.
It offends my auditory senses and is forcing me away Newstalk.
(I can never get to the mute function quick enough).

Appeal To Newstalk Management:
Please don't let a minority force their beliefs on the majority.

Is 'assult' assault as Gaeilge or is it yet another foreign language that you prefer?

eirman

An Ri rua wrote: »

Is 'assult' assault as Gaeilge or is it yet another foreign language that you prefer?

I was taught to despise the language in school.
The very sound of the language grates on my senses!

I know it sounds weird, but I am a product of the Irish educational system.

FamousDave

eirman wrote: »

gaeilgeoirís can be as extreme in their beliefs as the Greens in forcing their views on people's everyday lives.

I bet you use the terms ‘snowflake’ a lot in your daily conversations.

niallers1

eirman wrote: »

I was taught to despise the language in school.
The very sound of the language grates on my senses!

I know it sounds weird, but I am a product of the Irish educational system.

The problem years ago you had non Irish speakers trying to teach Irish.

Nowadays, (at least in my daughters school) the focus is on speaking/ day to day conversation. It is taught in a very different way and by people already fluent. Not just by "teachers" who are one chapter ahead of the class.

eirman

niallers1 wrote: »

The problem years ago you had non Irish speakers trying to teach Irish.

Back in my day, many of the good/native garlick speaking 'teachers' used corporal punishment to literally beat the language into us.
They were much more enthusiastic in the use of corporal punishment than non-native speakers.

garlick above is not a typo - it's just my lingo

KaneToad

eirman wrote: »

I was taught to despise the language in school.
The very sound of the language grates on my senses!

I know it sounds weird, but I am a product of the Irish educational system.

I had exactly the opposite experience to you. I too am a product of the Irish educational system.

whisky_galore

The annual Irish language lip service. Probably gets them their quota.

Elmo

There is so little Irish Language on the station, your username is eirman, shouldn't it be Ireman?

gormdubhgorm

eirman wrote: »

I strenuously object to the creeping intrusion of the gaelic language several times an hour on Newstalk bulletins.
It offends my auditory senses and is forcing me away Newstalk.
(I can never get to the mute function quick enough).

Appeal To Newstalk Management:
Please don't let a minority force their beliefs on the majority.

Legally, radio stations have to play a certain amount of content as Gaeilge. It is possible that this is being used as a loophole by Newstalk to get around this requirement in a piecemeal fashion.

For such a poster who seems like such an erudite and educated individual. It seems an awful shame that something so benign as a language offends you so much.

For a person who is truly educated should have an open mind. And be glad of cultural difference, cultural heritage, and sense of identity and place.

Perhaps those auditory senses should not be so closed?

gormdubhgorm

Elmo wrote: »

There is so little Irish Language on the station, your username is eirman, shouldn't it be Ireman?

Irony, is often lost on those with a blinkered agenda, I find.

EmmetSpiceland

Curry my yoghurt, can coca coalyer.

gormdubhgorm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Curry my yoghurt, can coca coalyer.

When yer man said that in Stortmont I actually thought it was gas. Because many in SF do not have much Irish at all really.

And they only use the Irish language for political symbolism. Which I think is the wrong thing to do. A language should not be politicised in such a way imo. It should be just used as a language, and not a tactic.

There is an Irish language programme at night on the weekend, on Newstalk called Splanc on Friday's.

https://www.newstalk.com/shows/splanc-234889

I am not sure what the OP will make of it.....

whisky_galore

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

There is an Irish language programme at night on the weekend, on Newstalk

Naw..you're grand.

leath_dub

leath_dub wrote: »

"Suas chun data" just sounds wrong - and sounds like a phrase tha was translated. word-by-word using a dictionary

Yeah, it's béarlachas. This particular phrase bugs me but I suppose one benefit is that it's immediately translatable with reference to the english version they always say. Whereas if you said "anois tá an nuacht is déanaí agat" it might be just sound like a jumble.

I hope they keep it up in some form, anyway. No harm at all.

zell12

leath_dub wrote: »

"Suas chun data" just sounds wrong - and sounds like a phrase tha was translated. word-by-word using dictionary

Gets me every time. It's wrong, end of. :mad:

RnaG would say
'is sin nuacht an lae inniu' or
'ba iad sin scealta na nuachta don trath seo'

Elmo

zell12 wrote: »

Gets me every time. It's wrong, end of. :mad:

RnaG would say
'is sin nuacht an lae inniu' or
'ba iad sin scealta na nuachta don trath seo'

Are they trying to say "up to date" ?

EmmetSpiceland

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

When yer man said that in Stortmont I actually thought it was gas. Because many in SF do not have much Irish at all really.

And they only use the Irish language for political symbolism. Which I think is the wrong thing to do. A language should not be politicised in such a way imo. It should be just used as a language, and not a tactic.

There is an Irish language programme at night on the weekend, on Newstalk called Splanc on Friday's.

https://www.newstalk.com/shows/splanc-234889

I am not sure what the OP will make of it.....

Yeah, I like the way someone like Manchán Magan deals with promoting the language.

As for Irish programming, I don’t mind it too much but with something like Splanc my own Irish wouldn’t be good enough to keep up. I’m fine with the news, and the like, but if it’s not in the, shall we say, “Queen’s Irish” I’m liable to get lost.

zell12

Elmo wrote: »

Are they trying to say "up to date" ?

You'd never hear a phrase like that in Gaeilge. There are other ways of saying it
'is sin nuacht an lae inniu' - that is today's news
'ba iad sin scealta na nuachta don trath seo'- those are the news items for now

Elmo

zell12 wrote: »

You'd never hear a phrase like that in Gaeilge. There are other ways of saying it
'is sin nuacht an lae inniu' - that is today's news
'ba iad sin scealta na nuachta don trath seo'- those are the news items for now

Even in English it is a very tabloid way of signing off, they may as well say "That's The Story" as Spin used to do.

Imreoir2

eirman wrote: »

I was taught to despise the language in school.

Oh dear, what a pity, nevermind.

Edgarfrndly

eirman wrote: »

I strenuously object to the creeping intrusion of the gaelic language several times an hour on Newstalk bulletins.

Oh god, stop whining. You can change the channel if you're that easily upset by hear the native language of this island on the radio. It's Seachtain na Gaeilge and they are just promoting the language a little bit. They've had an Irish language show on there for years and years - Splanc.

An Ri rua

eirman wrote: »

I was taught to despise the language in school.
The very sound of the language grates on my senses!

I know it sounds weird, but I am a product of the Irish educational system.

Ceart go leor boss

An Ri rua

Elmo wrote: »

There is so little Irish Language on the station, your username is eirman, shouldn't it be Ireman?

Don't fan the flames of his ire.

tv3tg4

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Because many in SF do not have much Irish at all really.

There was a documentary on tg4 recently and the queen had more Irish than one shinner.

Newstalk are doing better than most radio stations than the Irish. Splanc is part of the licence for the station.

But credit were it is due.

whisky_galore

The tokenism is over now thankfully. Service as usual.

EmmetSpiceland

whisky_galore wrote: »

The tokenism is over now thankfully. Service as usual.

I don’t think its like will ever be again.

ButtersSuki

Just seeing this now. I heard a couple of these a few weeks ago. Tbh I found the direct (and inaccurate
) translations to be the most offensive part of it. Surely they would have a staff member across their stations that can speak Irish fluently, or at worst go and ask or hire someone to do these very basic translations correctly?

Hotblack Desiato

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Legally, radio stations have to play a certain amount of content as Gaeilge.

Which is yet anther mad BAI requirement. RnaG and Raidio na Life exist, do they have an English requirement?

Does Radio Maria have islamic calls to prayer mandated by the BAI? (Although how religious broadcasters are allowed at all is another mad kettle of fish)

It's nuts and it's tokenism and any actual advocates of the Irish language should regard it as an insult tbh.

zell12

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Just seeing this now. I heard a couple of these a few weeks ago. Tbh I found the direct (and inaccurate) translations to be the most offensive part of it. Surely they would have a staff member across their stations that can speak Irish fluently, or at worst go and ask or hire someone to do these very basic translations correctly?

Tá tú suas chun friggin dáta le Nuastálk

Allinall

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Just seeing this now. I heard a couple of these a few weeks ago. Tbh I found the direct (and inaccurate
) translations to be the most offensive part of it. Surely they would have a staff member across their stations that can speak Irish fluently, or at worst go and ask or hire someone to do these very basic translations correctly?

Any examples, and what would the correct translation be?

whisky_galore

zell12 wrote: »

Tá tú suas chun friggin dáta le Nuastálk

Broken Irish is better than clever English...

zell12

Allinall wrote: »

Any examples, and what would the correct translation be?

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116569368&postcount=23

Allinall

zell12 wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116569368&postcount=23

Neither of those examples say that “you are up to date”

zell12

Allinall wrote: »

Neither of those examples say that “you are up to date”

That's because it is a direct literal translation from english, and sounds wrong.

Imreoir2

zell12 wrote: »

That's because it is a direct literal translation from english, and sounds wrong.

Not sure where you are getting this from, if it's good enough for well known writers like of Alan Titley or Beairtle Ó Conaire then it should be good enough for you.
https://www.gaois.ie/ga/corpora/monolingual/?Query=suas+chun+d%C3%A1ta&SearchMode=exact&PerPage=50

Just because something in one language sounds similar to something in another, does not mean its wrong. I don't know if it came into Irish through English, but if it did, so what? Loan words/phrases are a totally natural part of the evolution of a living language.

Allinall

zell12 wrote: »

That's because it is a direct literal translation from english, and sounds wrong.

How does it sound wrong?

How else would you translate “up to date”?

bike2wkr

niallers1 wrote: »

The problem years ago you had non Irish speakers trying to teach Irish.

Nowadays, (at least in my daughters school) the focus is on speaking/ day to day conversation. It is taught in a very different way and by people already fluent. Not just by "teachers" who are one chapter ahead of the class.

An nuacht is deireanai ...the latest news. There is no direct translation.

Ta an nuacht is deireanai agaibh..!

whisky_galore

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Legally, radio stations have to play a certain amount of content as Gaeilge. It is possible that this is being used as a loophole by Newstalk to get around this requirement in a piecemeal fashion.

Radio stations know that they will lose listenership and advertising if they have entire shows in Irish, that's why they stick them in off peak graveyard slots. That's reality.

gormdubhgorm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Radio stations know that they will lose listenership and advertising if they have entire shows in Irish, that's why they stick them in off peak graveyard slots. That's reality.

I can't argue with that. I have found programmes accidently on graveyard slots.

There is some quality stuff done in the Irish language medium in general, in fairness. But because many have a deep seated fear/loathing of the language (like the OP for some reason) they are not heard by many.

Although if anyone has a great level of Irish and is a bit of 'mouth' with a minimal level of personality. They would have a good chance of walking into an Irish media job - as Gaeilge. What is the population of avid Irish listeners 100k ish?

Once you have decent Irish you become very niche, and have a great chance of working in that medium if you wish. Smaller pool less competition.

But it does work the other way as well. Because I have seen and heard top quality actors / radio presenters. Many of whom have a very low profile except in the Irish language world.

And I think 'jayus that is great stuff'.
Plus then I think they could go into the English language medium and earn more. But the 'grá' for the Irish keeps them there, it seems.

gormdubhgorm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

As for Irish programming, I don’t mind it too much but with something like Splanc my own Irish wouldn’t be good enough to keep up. I’m fine with the news, and the like, but if it’s not in the, shall we say, “Queen’s Irish” I’m liable to get lost.

Just read this now. Flipping gas
'Queen's Irish' I will have to remember that one!

I suppose you could call it 'Michael D' Irish.

I tried listening to Ra Na Life. But even I know (with my middling Irish) some of the presenters/guests Irish is not great. And some of the guests on it seems to resort to throwing in 'likes' in English - while making up Irish words they don't know or just using long phrases in English.

R na L is aimed at youngsters in fairness. And R na G is the one to listen to I find.

I remember Radio Nova used to have a chirpy young one on (can't remember her name don't listen to Nova anymore for other reasons)

She did the 'A to Zee' of rock - As Gaeilge and then in English. Short Bio's of bands etc I thought it was clever way to do it.

I am not sure Newstalk have the gaps in their schedule to do the likes of that?
But surely a small bit of Gaeilge at news times is no harm. If the OP was more open he/she might start picking bits up naturally. Particularly after listening to it in English. No harm in it imo. We are in Ireland after all.

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If the Newstalk management are reading this I would say ignore the OP.

Find other ways of sneaking Irish in. As you would do with a small child and their vegetables. Because imo opinion such an anti Irish language view ,the OP holds is not based on logic. But a childish irrational fear.
It would also benefit people who want to make some sort of an effort. You get out of language you put into it. It can open eyes to a different way of thinking. Or a a turn of phrase, not used in other languages.

Hotblack Desiato

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I can't argue with that. I have found programmes accidently on graveyard slots.

TBH I think they should go big into podcasting. Cheap to do and overcomes any scheduling issues, people can listen whenever they want (and wind back anything they had trouble understanding). Can link to a website with a transcript, or "hard words" explained, etc.

Hotblack Desiato

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Find other ways of sneaking Irish in. As you would do with a small child and their vegetables.

This is exactly the sort of paternalism that turns people off imho. But at least vegetables are good for kids... you might feel that people who don't want to learn or speak Irish are missing out on something useful, but they don't.

gormdubhgorm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

This is exactly the sort of paternalism that turns people off imho. But at least vegetables are good for kids... you might feel that people who don't want to learn or speak Irish are missing out on something useful, but they don't.

Who are the 'they' exactly and what is the mindset??

If you are in Spain you hear Spanish radio, if you are in France you hear French etc.
Should it really that odd to hear, Irish on Irish radio?