Almost all young women in the UK have been sexually harassed [MOD WARNING 1st POST]

biko

This is not OK.
Based on a YouGov survey of more than 1,000 women - among women aged 18-24, 97% said they had been sexually harassed.

“This is a human rights crisis. It’s just not enough for us to keep saying ‘this is too difficult a problem for us to solve’ – it needs addressing now,” said Claire Barnett, executive director of UN Women UK.

“We are looking at a situation where younger women are constantly modifying their behaviour in an attempt to avoid being objectified or attacked, and older women are reporting serious concerns about personal safety if they ever leave the house in the dark – even during the daytime in winter.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/10/almost-all-young-women-in-the-uk-have-been-sexually-harassed-survey-finds



Mod: There is an unhealthy number of posts popping up in this thread, either discounting the survey completely, or trying to renegotiate the definition of sexual harassment because it doesn't fit into your personal world view.

The thread is predicated on the survey mentioned in the OP (linked here if you would like to take a closer look). If your approach is to dismiss the survey rather than discuss, then you have nothing to add to the thread.

suicide_circus

Pretty atrocious alright. How do we fix it?

Palmach

biko wrote: »

This is not OK.
Based on a YouGov survey of more than 1,000 women - among women aged 18-24, 97% said they had been sexually harassed.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/10/almost-all-young-women-in-the-uk-have-been-sexually-harassed-survey-finds

I don't believe it. This smacks of an NGO looking for publicity.

EmmetSpiceland

It was “suggested” yesterday in another thread, on modern feminism, that women should dress more appropriately, don’t walk alone at night and not to get drunk in the company of men.

suicide_circus

suicide_circus wrote: »

Pretty atrocious alright. How do we fix it?

Change attitudes
The attitude that women are over reacting if they don't like being wolf whistled at, or comments made about their appearance.
That somehow the women are wrong.
That's what needs to change

ThunbergsAreGo

biko wrote: »

This is not OK.
Based on a YouGov survey of more than 1,000 women - among women aged 18-24, 97% said they had been sexually harassed.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/10/almost-all-young-women-in-the-uk-have-been-sexually-harassed-survey-finds

I find the work stat really shocking.

I would say most people who have been on a night out have been groped/sexually assaulted. Doesn't make it right of course.

timmyntc

We should segregate all men and women into their own gender specific spaces.

How Soon Is Now

I dunno how women survive on a day to day basis at this stage.

the_pen_turner

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

It was “suggested” yesterday in another thread, on modern feminism, that women should dress more appropriately, don’t walk alone at night and not to get drunk in the company of men.

That wasnt the point of that post. It was that women should do whatever they want but know that it brings higher risks

suicide_circus

bubblypop wrote: »

Change attitudes
The attitude that women are over reacting if they don't like being wolf whistled at, or comments made about their appearance.
That somehow the women are wrong.
That's what needs to change

How

Sarcozies

Jesus, that most be higher than most nations that use sex as a weapon of war in some third world countries.

I'd be getting out of the UK if I was there.

suicide_circus

suicide_circus wrote: »

How

That's the problem really isn't it?
Education from a young age, we should all respect one another etc.
Problem is it has to be parents who give the example

strandroad

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

I find the work stat really shocking.

I don't, sadly... Some sectors will have more protection tgan others but if you're in any client services or customer facing role you're quite likely to be groped, propositioned, called sexual names etc.

biko

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

It was “suggested” yesterday in another thread, on modern feminism, that women should dress more appropriately, don’t walk alone at night and not to get drunk in the company of men.

Well that shouldn't be needed in a civilised country.

EmmetSpiceland

the_pen_turner wrote: »

That wasnt the point of that post. It was that women should do whatever they want but know that it brings higher risks

Well, just as long as they know it was their own fault.

RobbingBandit

100 people in a big office survey says 100 of them are occupied in a work space silly survey serves silly purpose

the_pen_turner

the_pen_turner wrote: »

That wasnt the point of that post. It was that women should do whatever they want but know that it brings higher risks

Higher risks of what exactly?
A poster suggested that women wear certain clothes for men, and they should be aware of the effect those clothes could have on men!!

Geuze

biko wrote: »

This is not OK.
Based on a YouGov survey of more than 1,000 women - among women aged 18-24, 97% said they had been sexually harassed.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/10/almost-all-young-women-in-the-uk-have-been-sexually-harassed-survey-finds

If this is true, and if it's also the case that none my male friends do anything like this, then the men who are doing it, must be doing it a lot.

the_pen_turner

bubblypop wrote: »

Higher risks of what exactly?
A poster suggested that women wear certain clothes for men, and they should be aware of the effect those clothes could have on men!!

meeting someone who wants to take advantage of someone

How Soon Is Now

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

I wonder does this survey have stats on where these men came from originally....

That would be interesting considering it's the UK.

What difference do you think that makes?

Curse These Metal Hands

The idea of simply teaching sons to be better is overly simplistic, most of the people doing this stuff know that it's wrong but do it anyway. How do you prevent it?

the_pen_turner

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Well, just as long as they know it was their own fault.

your words not mine.

thats not the same thing. obviously the person doing crime is the one thats wrong but that doesnt mean that the risk couldnt have been lowered

How Soon Is Now

Steve Jones wrote: »

That question is illegal to ask.

While sexual violence is evil, I think we need some perspective. It's the UK, not India or South Africa.

Plus there stats are coming from a survey and we all know everything in them is one hundred percent the truth!

Palmach

timmyntc wrote: »

We should segregate all men and women into their own gender specific spaces.

Just like Afghanistan.

the_pen_turner

Steve Jones wrote: »

That question is illegal to ask.

While sexual violence is evil, I think we need some perspective. It's the UK, not India or South Africa.

why would it be illegal to take not of all the charictaristics of the harraser and see if there is a patern

Samsonsmasher

bubblypop wrote: »

Change attitudes
The attitude that women are over reacting if they don't like being wolf whistled at, or comments made about their appearance.
That somehow the women are wrong.
That's what needs to change

Let's segregate the sexes, only allow arranged marriages, make women wear burkas and publically execute unattractive men with no game who clumsily make sexual advances?

ted1

Have they broken down the levels of harassment?

Obviously uninvited touching is a massive no, as Is physically intimidating.

I go for a run most evenings and on several occasions get comments from teenage girls or older on my legs. Would that be counted in the stats?

As a father of 2 girls I condone any behaviour that makes people uncomfortable.

strandroad

Geuze wrote: »

If this is true, and if it's also the case that none my male friends do anything like this, then the men who are doing it, must be doing it a lot.

How do you know that your friends have never catcalled, groped, sent dick picks, shared exes nudes, pushed an encounter too far... How would you even know?

nullzero

You'd think this type of thing would be on the decrease. You'd wonder what the survey constituted as harassment and how large the group they surveyed was as most people seem afraid to even interact with each other these days for fear of being accused of something particularly in the workplace.

I know going back say 20 years or so, any sort of inappropriate behaviour by men towards women in the workplace was likely to get somebody the sack.

Interestingly as a young man in the workplace I found myself being fair game for older women to make comments about and on a number of occasions had my backside smacked or pinched in different jobs with different groups of people so it wasn't isolated to one place of employment, although I can't imagine that would be tolerated today.

Maybe people are just stupid and driven by reproductive instinct. The idea that virtually all young women in the UK have been subjected to sexual harassment is insane. If true you'd have to wonder what can be done to stop it this far into an age where such behaviour is commonly seen as unacceptable.

How Soon Is Now

bubblypop wrote: »

What difference do you think that makes?

Well, it would paint a more accurate picture for starters. Instead of all men in the UK are rapists maybe it's more a case of the majority of these men are from backwards backgrounds.

the_pen_turner

the_pen_turner wrote: »

your words not mine.

thats not the same thing. obviously the person doing crime is the one thats wrong but that doesnt mean that the risk couldnt have been lowered

What could a woman do to lower this risk?

ThunbergsAreGo

Geuze wrote: »

If this is true, and if it's also the case that none my male friends do anything like this, then the men who are doing it, must be doing it a lot.

I am the same, with the exception of one (who is very bad and gets told off for it) none of my mates would act like this.

I read of what some lads get up to (or are accused of) and its like they are a different species.

Mad_maxx

timmyntc wrote: »

We should segregate all men and women into their own gender specific spaces.

yeah , rename this country Saudi Arabia

Ten of Swords

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

It was “suggested” yesterday in another thread, on modern feminism, that women should dress more appropriately, don’t walk alone at night and not to get drunk in the company of men.

the_pen_turner wrote: »

That wasnt the point of that post. It was that women should do whatever they want but know that it brings higher risks

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Well, just as long as they know it was their own fault.

the_pen_turner wrote: »

your words not mine.

thats not the same thing. obviously the person doing crime is the one thats wrong but that doesnt mean that the risk couldnt have been lowered

EmmetSpiceland and the_pen_turner, you are not reigniting an argument you had in another thread and bringing it to this one.

Drop it now or you won't be posting in this thread

Water John

This article by Marina Hyde on the abuse she got on the street yesterday just going to collect her child from school, is worth reading:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/12/what-happened-women-uk-harassed-street

Who the fcuk thinks they have permission to harrass anybody, or that it's acceptable?

the_pen_turner

Deleted User wrote: »

What could a woman do to lower this risk?

sadly you cant do what you like anymore without some risk.
you should be able to walk down any street day or night without a thought but you cannot
you should be able to leave your drink unattended but you cant
you should be able to wear what you like but you cant

it depends on the situation as to what actions you take to avoid the risk. everybody does it on a daily basis

Nozebleed

Water John wrote: »

This article by Marina Hyde on the abuse she got on the street yesterday just going to collect her child from school, is worth reading:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/12/what-happened-women-uk-harassed-street

Who the fcuk thinks they have permission to harrass anybody, or that it's acceptable?

nothing in the guardian is worth reading..sorry

How Soon Is Now

Steve Jones wrote: »

In fairness England does have a very serious problem with Pakistani rapists.

Doubt you find any information like that in a survey though.

.anon.

Geuze wrote: »

If this is true, and if it's also the case that none my male friends do anything like this, then the men who are doing it, must be doing it a lot.

To the best of my knowledge, none of my male friends behave like that either. But that might be because I've never liked hanging around with arseholes. On the other hand, literally every female friend or girlfriend I've ever had has, at some stage in their lives, experienced sexual harassment on some level.

suicide_circus

I wonder if you did a similar survey of young lads aged 18-24 and asked them how many of them have been threatened, started on, shaped up to, physically intimidated, ganged up on etc what the result would be...? It was a pretty universal experience in my yoof.

Scratchly

"At the root of all this is the normalisation of the idea that a woman’s body in a public place is simply public property and young women just have to put up with it. We have to shatter that normalisation through policy and in the press if we want to change the picture,” she said.

If there actually is an issue with sexual harassment on that scale idiots like that should be kept well away from it because you can't solve real world problems with fantasy understanding of the world.

The root cause of sexual harassment in Britain is that people think women's bodies are public property?

How are there so many idiots running all these groups?

is_that_so

bubblypop wrote: »

Change attitudes
The attitude that women are over reacting if they don't like being wolf whistled at, or comments made about their appearance.
That somehow the women are wrong.
That's what needs to change

That all sounds like education to me, a long haul. A lot of these attitudes emerge in the teens, within peer groups and of course from the often very poor efforts to interest the opposite sex. Easy access to porn plays its part too in creating perceptions in impressionable young males.

In the real world, mandatory sexual harassment training for all employees might also help in a small way.

the_pen_turner

Ten of Swords wrote: »

EmmetSpiceland and the_pen_turner, you are not reigniting an argument you had in another thread and bringing it to this one.

Drop it now or you won't be posting in this thread

i wasnt part of that thread discussion, i mearly pointed out in this thread that their statment was not reflective of the post they are quoting

jam_mac_jam

I would well believe it. Have been groped multiple times and flashed at twice. I would be fairly sure it's accurate enough.

Not all incidents happened in Ireland.

What do we do about it, I am not sure. It seems to be a lot less socially acceptable then it once was so we are definitely going in the right direction.

Ireland and England are not even that bad. The worst I have experienced is Paris. They are disgusting. Absolute perverts. And that is even in comparison to Arab countries where I have got loads of hassle but with more politeness.
Also had a very frightening experience with a policeman in India.

Obviously that's only based on my own experiences.

lawred2

Geuze wrote: »

If this is true, and if it's also the case that none my male friends do anything like this, then the men who are doing it, must be doing it a lot.

Don't be daft. It's all men.

The 6pm curfew is a great idea for us.

Feel sorry for my wife being married to a man.

Sonics2k

Steve Jones wrote: »

In fairness England does have a very serious problem with Pakistani rapists.

So your conclusion to this is that foreigners are the problem?

PokeHerKing

Water John wrote: »

This article by Marina Hyde on the abuse she got on the street yesterday just going to collect her child from school, is worth reading:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/12/what-happened-women-uk-harassed-street

Who the fcuk thinks they have permission to harrass anybody, or that it's acceptable?

Aside from the fact that's an incoherent terribly written OP. Who cares? There's scum/pricks everywhere. Some verbally abuse people, all sexes. Some physically assault. Some rob, rape and even murder people.

This is awful but its life. I'm not condoning anything either. Just pointing out the $hitty facts of the human race.

Sarcozies

biko wrote: »

This is not OK.
Based on a YouGov survey of more than 1,000 women - among women aged 18-24, 97% said they had been sexually harassed.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/10/almost-all-young-women-in-the-uk-have-been-sexually-harassed-survey-finds

I've just read a bit of the study in detail there.

It includes whistling and staring as sexual harassment.

neris

timmyntc wrote: »

We should segregate all men and women into their own gender specific spaces.

It already exists its called Islam

jam_mac_jam

suicide_circus wrote: »

I wonder if you did a similar survey of young lads aged 18-24 and asked them how many of them have been threatened, started on, shaped up to, physically intimidated, ganged up on etc what the result would be...? It was a pretty universal experience in my yoof.

I would say some men have been sexually harassed as well ad facing physical violence. And the stigma and attitudes towards that need to be changed.

Happened to my son at work and was literally laughed at by manager.

AndrewJRenko

Steve Jones wrote: »

In fairness England does have a very serious problem with Pakistani rapists.

What % of rapes in England are carried out by Pakistani men?