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FF leadership heaves

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    #62
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,582 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Wouldnt surprise me if Lisa Chambers went for the leadership spot when it comes up, the dodgy finger when it comes to voting will be forgotten by then.


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    #63
    Floppybits
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Or the idiocy of the Irish electorate. Eaten bread is soon forgotten, but so is the poison apparently.

    I wouldn't blame the electorate its not like we are voting for the best people, we are voting for the least worst option. The 3 main parties are all very hard to vote for.


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    #64
    Loafing Oaf
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    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Wouldnt surprise me if Lisa Chambers went for the leadership spot when it comes up, the dodgy finger when it comes to voting will be forgotten by then.

    Even though she's not currently a TD?


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    #65
    Bobtheman
    Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    You get the politicians you deserve.
    At present a party with a three card trick are riding high in the polls. Will lower taxes. Improve services.
    However Pearce Doherty did call a few years back for the
    Retention of USC as we needed the money.
    They do have good policies on housing and insurance.Though perhaps they have a too idealistic view of the public sectors capacity to do housing.
    Bottom line is you want better services you pay more taxes. That being said you got to put the boot into the HSE unions.


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    #66
    duffysfarm
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    I have always said that if M Martin found a cure for Covid 19 in the morning he would still not be any more popular.

    It is bad for the party that there doesn't seem to be any other member in the party that stands out as a potential replacement.
    i think the party has had its head stuck in the sand for a couple of years now. Sinn Fein is eating the party up at grass roots level and FG has a niche type of supporter that is always there but for FF they may get squeezed out. If they ever went into a coalition with SF then that would be the end of them.


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    #67
    Amirani
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    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Even though she's not currently a TD?

    Think this was a big problem for FF. She would have been a minister and may well have been in with a shout post-Martin. Any leadership ambitions have been knocked back at least 10 years you'd think (end of next Dail).


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    #68
    Loafing Oaf
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    Amirani wrote: »
    Think this was a big problem for FF. She would have been a minister

    Indeed, Martin felt obliged to have on female in the ranks, and the normal foal was apparently the best he could do in Lisa's absence...


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    #69
    Muahahaha
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    Amirani wrote: »
    Think this was a big problem for FF. She would have been a minister and may well have been in with a shout post-Martin. Any leadership ambitions have been knocked back at least 10 years you'd think (end of next Dail).

    Yeah not a hope Chambers is even near this contest. Assuming Martin steps aside as leader when his term as Taoiseach finishes then whoever gets becomes the next leader will have to be a member of the Dail at that time. You couldnt have a situation where Chambers is FF leader but doesnt even have speaking rights in the Dail.

    I think another criteria for a potential leader is that their own seat is as safe as houses and Chambers falls down there too. The last thing a party needs is for their leader not being re-elected, that would be a complete egg on the face moment and the party would lose all credibility.

    Id wonder what the feeling in FF is about Chambers losing her seat was anyway. Martin and FF put her front and centre for several years before the election, she got more national exposure than any other FF TD and was constantly sent out to bat on tv and radio. In the lead up to the election the people of Mayo must have known that voting for Chambers was a vote to get a Minister in their constituency. Yet they rejected her. All that time and effort that Martin and FF put into boosting her profile and putting her forward as a new young and female face of the party was blown up, it was quite a hit on the party strategy.


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    #70
    duffysfarm
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    Chambers was very much pro abortion when we held the referendum which would not go down very well in a rural constituency



    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Yeah not a hope Chambers is even near this contest. Assuming Martin steps aside as leader when his term as Taoiseach finishes then whoever gets becomes the next leader will have to be a member of the Dail at that time. You couldnt have a situation where Chambers is FF leader but doesnt even have speaking rights in the Dail.

    I think another criteria for a potential leader is that their own seat is as safe as houses and Chambers falls down there too. The last thing a party needs is for their leader not being re-elected, that would be a complete egg on the face moment and the party would lose all credibility.

    Id wonder what the feeling in FF is about Chambers losing her seat was anyway. Martin and FF put her front and centre for several years before the election, she got more national exposure than any other FF TD and was constantly sent out to bat on tv and radio. In the lead up to the election the people of Mayo must have known that voting for Chambers was a vote to get a Minister in their constituency. Yet they rejected her. All that time and effort that Martin and FF put into boosting her profile and putting her forward as a new young and female face of the party was blown up, it was quite a hit on the party strategy.


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    #71
    Loafing Oaf
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    Muahahaha wrote: »

    Id wonder what the feeling in FF is about Chambers losing her seat was anyway. Martin and FF put her front and centre for several years before the election, she got more national exposure than any other FF TD and was constantly sent out to bat on tv and radio. In the lead up to the election the people of Mayo must have known that voting for Chambers was a vote to get a Minister in their constituency. Yet they rejected her.

    Insofar as the ministry thing was a priority for voters, I'd say Calleary was just as good a bet, being the party deputy leader and having a stronger track record than Chambers.

    Before the late SF surge, it was generally assumed that Mayo would stay 2FF, 2FG, and that it would be FG rather than FF that would be under threat from an insurgent candidate. But you'd have to assume SF's Rose Conway-Walsh was taking seats more from FF than FG, and in the end it was just a bounce of a ball between Chambers and FG's Dillon and Mulherin for the last seat, so I'd imagine FFHQ see it as just one of those things, rather than a ringing rejection of Chambers and their strategy in the county.


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    #72
    golfball37
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    RCW always got a good enough vote in Mayo even before last year. You’d have to think a sf seat is safe in Mayo for at least another 2-3 elections. She is female also which goes against Lisa. Her best bet is if Mulherin bows out and then she will be back in game. She will never out poll Dara.


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    #73
    Loafing Oaf
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    golfball37 wrote: »
    RCW always got a good enough vote in Mayo even before last year. You’d have to think a sf seat is safe in Mayo for at least another 2-3 elections. She is female also which goes against Lisa. Her best bet is if Mulherin bows out and then she will be back in game. She will never out poll Dara.

    SF a good bet for two seats in Mayo if their 39% in Connacht-Ulster in a recent opinion poll materialises on election day. FF on 6 % (behind the SDs:eek:) in the same poll, so they'll be doing incredibly well to hold one. And as you say that one will always be Calleary rather than Chambers, golf outings notwithstanding.


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    #74
    Galwayguy35
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    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Even though she's not currently a TD?

    MM is going nowhere until after the next election I reckon, Chambers could get back in and if she did she might be a contender.


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    #75
    Bobtheman
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    I would not be certain about the SF vote. Electorate is volatile and look how the vote rose out of nowhere after the poor local election showing.
    We are three years away from an election.
    Martin will leave a few months after he exits the taoiseachs office
    In 2011 he was the only leader possible.
    Given that a change of leader would hardly bring a change in policy what the heck is the point unless the electorate is stupid enough to follow a smooth talker again?
    No leadership change in the middle of a government has ever resulted in a party gaining more seats at the next election! Thus any heave at heart is just a power grab.


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    #76
    Loafing Oaf
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    Re the thread title, not sure if FF leadership is actually heaving, but their handling of the pandemic is certainly causing the rest of us to...


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    #77
    Galwayhurl
    Registered Users Posts: 273 ✭✭Galwayhurl


    duffysfarm wrote: »
    Chambers was very much pro abortion when we held the referendum which would not go down very well in a rural constituency

    Think you mean Pro-Choice.


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    #78
    Bobtheman
    Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Re the thread title, not sure if FF leadership is actually heaving, but their handling of the pandemic is certainly causing the rest of us to...

    You have a point but there is serious rumblings. They are starting in FG too.


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    #79
    Bobtheman
    Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Chambers was not a great glad handler. Not great at doing small events. When the FF vote declined she had not enough personal connection to see her through. Rumour has it she might move to a Dublin seat.


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