Which political party would be toughest on crime?

Eric Cartman

bubblypop wrote: »

Agree, all the talk about locking people up & throwing the keys away is pointless.
Will not reduce crime.

don't let non EU immigrants into the country, convert child benefit to a tax credit only, give Tulsa a lot more powers to remove kids from bad parents, mandatory chemical castration with methadone, free vasectomies for everyone on the dole, no bump up the housing list for having a kid, lock up parents for their kids not attending school and remove the kids.

wipe out most of the problem in a generation.

coupled with thousands more prison spaces, over policing of halting sites and council estates and DP centres, and life sentences for getting your 10th conviction or 3rd violent one.

Mules

Mules wrote: »

Later iterations yes but not the provisionals.

You cannot be serious

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

don't let non EU immigrants into the country, convert child benefit to a tax credit only, give Tulsa a lot more powers to remove kids from bad parents, mandatory chemical castration with methadone, free vasectomies for everyone on the dole, no bump up the housing list for having a kid, lock up parents for their kids not attending school and remove the kids.

wipe out most of the problem in a generation.

Why can't a tax payer have a free vasectomy?

The rest is kinda just a mix of odd and outright wrong

Government buildings

Government buildings wrote: »

How come no woman I know would walk anywhere after dark? And I live in a rural area.

Because of bad roads and the risk of getting hit by a car?

Eric Cartman

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Why can't a tax payer have a free vasectomy?

The rest is kinda just a mix of odd and outright wrong

we need more kids in this country, but middle and upper class kids, kids with dads present,

we don't need single more kid born into a caravan or welfare house and perpetuating intergenerational welfare dependence or criminality. Encouraging these sections of society to make that choice should be a priority.

Ah yes, Cartman arguing for eugenics... That's never went horribly wrong or anything..

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

don't let non EU immigrants into the country, convert child benefit to a tax credit only, give Tulsa a lot more powers to remove kids from bad parents, mandatory chemical castration with methadone, free vasectomies for everyone on the dole, no bump up the housing list for having a kid, lock up parents for their kids not attending school and remove the kids.

wipe out most of the problem in a generation.

coupled with thousands more prison spaces, over policing of halting sites and council estates and DP centres, and life sentences for getting your 10th conviction or 3rd violent one.

Just sounds like a rant against foreigners and children to be honest!

Thelonious Monk

Eric Cartman wrote: »

don't let non EU immigrants into the country, convert child benefit to a tax credit only, give Tulsa a lot more powers to remove kids from bad parents, mandatory chemical castration with methadone, free vasectomies for everyone on the dole, no bump up the housing list for having a kid, lock up parents for their kids not attending school and remove the kids.

wipe out most of the problem in a generation.

coupled with thousands more prison spaces, over policing of halting sites and council estates and DP centres, and life sentences for getting your 10th conviction or 3rd violent one.

All this sh*t that goes through your head day after day can't be healthy. Thankfully none of this nonsense is ever going to happen in Ireland, you need to learn to live with that. Seriously, it's just obsessive.

biko

Mules wrote: »

Renua. They proposed bringing in a 3 strikes law for offenders.

I didn't know that.

Murder already carries a mandatory life sentence in Ireland along with certain other offences including the possession, burglary or importation of drugs with a certain market value with intent to sell or supply.

But the party is proposing to widen this.

Renua believes that the three strikes and life rule should also be applied to people convicted of the crimes of rape, child sex abuse and burglary.

So, in theory, someone convicted of burglary three times would, on the third conviction, be automatically handed a life sentence.

https://www.thejournal.ie/renua-three-strikes-rule-2529895-Jan2016/

Eric Cartman

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

All this sh*t that goes through your head day after day can't be healthy. Thankfully none of this nonsense is ever going to happen in Ireland, you need to learn to live with that. Seriously, it's just obsessive.

"living in poverty causes crime "
"ok so how about we actively discourage poor people from having kids"
"no , not like that, just tax the rich or something"

Breaking into someone's property crosses a line for me. If an individual needs to protect their family against an Intruder by any means necessary, there should be no prosecution brought against them, no matter the outcome.

Eric Cartman

biko wrote: »

I didn't know that.


https://www.thejournal.ie/renua-three-strikes-rule-2529895-Jan2016/

that sounds very reasonable.

Eric Cartman

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah yes, Cartman arguing for eugenics... That's never went horribly wrong or anything..

offering free vasectomies and stopping people using kids as an income source is eugenics, really jumped the shark there mate.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

This face is the only valid rebuttal to that absolute waffle of an answer.

That face is the only valid rebuttal as I routinely wipe the floor with you.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

offering free vasectomies and stopping people using kids as an income source is eugenics, really jumped the shark there mate.

You basically said you want to offer free sterilisation to eliminate groups that you view as undesirable. Eugenícs often targeted the poor and vulnerable, they viewed those in poverty as unfit. That matches up with your general view on poor. Now you're pretty much stated that you want to eliminate them from the gene pool but keep the middle class and upwards. I have no problem with free sterilisation for everyone but your targeted approach is a pretty warped fantasy.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

we need more kids in this country, but middle and upper class kids, kids with dads present,

we don't need single more kid born into a caravan or welfare house and perpetuating intergenerational welfare dependence or criminality. Encouraging these sections of society to make that choice should be a priority.

.anon.

bubblypop wrote: »

Just sounds like a rant against foreigners and children to be honest!

Ah now, that's not fair. It's also a rant against poor people, unemployed people, people with drug addictions, and basically every other group of people he hates and would like to see 'wiped out within a generation'.

Not to mention, Ireland currently has the highest % of under 15s in Europe - over 20%.

So, if Ireland needs more kids, I dread to think of the horrors that lie ahead for everyone else.

Mike Murdock

Deleted User wrote: »

One of the left-wing parties as they'd start to address the issues that lead to criminality.

No they won't.

Solving criminality by addressing systemic issues such as poverty would go against the interests of the left wing. They need this cohort of people to remain dependant on benefits and hand-outs so they will continue to vote for left wing parties.

Also, a thorough analysis of causes of crime and potential solutions may throw up unpalatable results that they would not be able to address anyway. Particularly as they go against the current woke, victimhood narrative that they brandish like a sword.

So left-wing governments will continue to throw benefits and hand-outs at the poor, and come across like they care, but they will never really address the causes of crime.

Mike Murdock

Mike Murdock wrote: »

No they won't.

Solving criminality by addressing systemic issues such as poverty would go against the interests of the left wing. They need this cohort of people to remain dependant on benefits and hand-outs so they will continue to vote for left wing parties.

Also, a thorough analysis of causes of crime and potential solutions may throw up unpalatable results that they would not be able to address anyway. Particularly as they go against the current woke, victimhood narrative that they brandish like a sword.

So left-wing governments will continue to throw benefits and hand-outs at the poor, and come across like they care, but they will never really address the causes of crime.

So, left-wing parties rely on poor people, but poor people would abandon left-wing parties if they improved their lives?

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So, left-wing parties rely on poor people, but poor people would abandon left-wing parties if they improved their lives?

If poor people raised themselves into higher tax brackets, they might find their feelings change?

Mike Murdock

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So, left-wing parties rely on poor people, but poor people would abandon left-wing parties if they improved their lives?

The Tories are a good example of this, when they gave working class people the opportunity to buy their council houses. From 1979 to 1997 it was successive Tory Governments . And this was during and after Thatcher crushed the mining strikes.

Blair’s Labour, more centre left then really left wing, never addressed systemic poverty or criminal issues. They just did what left wing governments do - increase benefits.

Mike Murdock

Deleted User wrote: »

So, left-wing parties rely on poor people, but poor people would abandon left-wing parties if they improved their lives?

Left-Wing parties are also becoming more dependant on Middle Class "Socialists" and the Woke. Hence Labour's appeal to them from 1997-2010. The Shinners are also trying the same thing.

Thelonious Monk

Mike Murdock wrote: »

The Tories are a good example of this, when they gave working class people the opportunity to buy their council houses.

Didn't we do that here? Pretty sure that's how my nextdoor neighbours on both sides own their houses.

Mike Murdock

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Didn't we do that here? Pretty sure that's how my nextdoor neighbours on both sides own their houses.

Yes, and when have we ever had a left-wing Government? The Tories doing it was more of a surprise given their right wing bent.

Notmything

Eric Cartman wrote: »

don't let non EU immigrants into the country, convert child benefit to a tax credit only, give Tulsa a lot more powers to remove kids from bad parents, mandatory chemical castration with methadone, free vasectomies for everyone on the dole, no bump up the housing list for having a kid, lock up parents for their kids not attending school and remove the kids.

wipe out most of the problem in a generation.

coupled with thousands more prison spaces, over policing of halting sites and council estates and DP centres, and life sentences for getting your 10th conviction or 3rd violent one.

On this, where are you getting the money to pay for all these children you are going to take into care? There are over 6000 children in the care of the state as it is and it can cost €300,000 a year for a child. Tusla don't have the resources or the capacity to do what you want. It's already become a for profit industry and most children come out as messed up as they went in.

And what's a bad parent?

Mike Murdock

Mike Murdock wrote: »

The Tories are a good example of this, when they gave working class people the opportunity to buy their council houses. From 1979 to 1997 it was successive Tory Governments . And this was during and after Thatcher crushed the mining strikes.

Blair’s Labour, more centre left then really left wing, never addressed systemic poverty or criminal issues. They just did what left wing governments do - increase benefits.

In what dimension was Blair's Labour centre-left?

Blair dragged Labour to the right in response to Thatcher. Labour have been pissing into the wind ever since.

The closest they've gotten since was with Corbyn, an actual socialist. Corbyn's one major flaw was trying to please the Blairites. Corbyn was bro-Brexit and placating the Blairites caused him becoming PM.

Mad_maxx

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

boards.ie and the journal is an echo chamber of people (men) who bang on about political parties needing to be tough on crime and immigration and all of these things.
If they were such a vote winner why don't any parties put this out in their manifesto, a much harsher sentencing and prison system that I'm sure you'd all love? No one would vote for that sh*t or see it as progressive.
I think the Garda are pretty useless sometimes but generally Ireland is really safe, including Dublin city centre.

because the political class in ireland care a lot more about what the media tribe think of them than a few million voters

any party who came out with a " hang em and flog em " manifesto would be torn to shreds by lunchtime by the bleeding heart media

Mike Murdock

Deleted User wrote: »

In what dimension was Blair's Labour centre-left?

Blair dragged Labour to the right in response to Thatcher. Labour have been pissing into the wind ever since.

The closest they've gotten since was with Corbyn, an actual socialist. Corbyn's one major flaw was trying to please the Blairites. Corbyn was bro-Brexit and placating the Blairites caused him becoming PM.

They were centre-left if you consider that John Smith was more of a left-wing socialist and a glacially-slow reformist. So veering right at that stage brought them more centre-left.

Mad_maxx

Eric Cartman wrote: »

don't let non EU immigrants into the country, convert child benefit to a tax credit only, give Tulsa a lot more powers to remove kids from bad parents, mandatory chemical castration with methadone, free vasectomies for everyone on the dole, no bump up the housing list for having a kid, lock up parents for their kids not attending school and remove the kids.

wipe out most of the problem in a generation.

coupled with thousands more prison spaces, over policing of halting sites and council estates and DP centres, and life sentences for getting your 10th conviction or 3rd violent one.

some of those require far too much state over reach

a sensible policy however which would go a distance in tackling the traveller problem is cap child welfare after four children ,the current level of prolific traveller breeding needs to be discouraged , the rest of us simply cant afford it

Sir Oxman

bubblypop wrote: »

Just sounds like a rant against foreigners and children to be honest!

But it's funny as fck.
Hail Cartman!