Which political party would be toughest on crime?

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Word is Charlie Flanagan wanted to bring in "The Purge"

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Norway has vast oil reserves, they have what every other leftist political party forgets to aquire first - a magic money tree , that looks suspiciously like an offshore drilling platform

Ireland had plenty of natural resources - sold off by consecutive conservative governments.

You actually had a reasonable argument, but like most right wingers, you don't know how to make an argument aside from a few buzzwords.

Here's a hint: Norway has exploited the developing world to get where it is.

biko

Eric Cartman wrote: »

offering free vasectomies and stopping people using kids as an income source is eugenics, really jumped the shark there mate.

If you think of eugenics as dog breeding (which it is) then any restrictions or shaping of how people have kids could be considered eugenics - if it aims to improve the "stock".
For instance, to argue for immigration because it improves the local gene pool could be considered eugenics also.

Eric Cartman

biko wrote: »

If you think of eugenics as dog breeding (which it is) then any restrictions or shaping of how people have kids could be considered eugenics - if it aims to improve the "stock".
For instance, to argue for immigration because it improves the local gene pool could be considered eugenics also.

We cant get in to anything called eugenics though as obviously the connotations are terrible but the reality of it is , we need to drastically lower the replacement rates among the welfare classes and up the replacement rates among the middle and upper classes.

biko

Here a controversial opinion - we should let most women in prison go.

Irish Prison Service data for 2017 shows that 95% of women who were incarcerated received sentences for crimes such as shoplifting or handling stolen goods.

Substance abuse and homelessness were the main reasons behind the offences.

Eric Cartman

biko wrote: »

Here a controversial opinion - we should let most women in prison go.

Irish Prison Service data for 2017 shows that 95% of women who were incarcerated received sentences for crimes such as shoplifting or handling stolen goods.

Substance abuse and homelessness were the main reasons behind the offences.

Most of them are there because of habitual reoffending , many margaret cash types that just wont stop . Id say we need to build more womens prison spaces and get tougher on women

JMNolan

biko wrote: »

Here a controversial opinion - we should let most women in prison go.

Irish Prison Service data for 2017 shows that 95% of women who were incarcerated received sentences for crimes such as shoplifting or handling stolen goods.

Substance abuse and homelessness were the main reasons behind the offences.

I actually agree with you to a certain extent, most violent crime is committed by men but surely all that will happen then is any man will simply self identify as a woman to get off? How would that situation be handled?

AndrewJRenko

Eric Cartman wrote: »

We cant get in to anything called eugenics though as obviously the connotations are terrible but the reality of it is , we need to drastically lower the replacement rates among the welfare classes and up the replacement rates among the middle and upper classes.

Or again, instead of focusing on genetics that have nothing in do with the root cause, we could aim to fix the underlying problems.

ELM327

Eric Cartman wrote: »

We cant get in to anything called eugenics though as obviously the connotations are terrible but the reality of it is , we need to drastically lower the replacement rates among the welfare classes and up the replacement rates among the middle and upper classes.

+1. And we've already reached a dangerous level as it is due to 20 years of welfare class. Generations being born into welfare classes and breeding more welfare classes, at a higher rate than the actual working poor can.


Soon we'll have a left wing "promise everything party" in government, like SF or PBP, elected for and voted in by those whose very existence is funded by our taxes.

biko wrote: »

Here a controversial opinion - we should let most women in prison go.

Irish Prison Service data for 2017 shows that 95% of women who were incarcerated received sentences for crimes such as shoplifting or handling stolen goods.

Substance abuse and homelessness were the main reasons behind the offences.

Absolute and utter bollox to be fair.
Shoplifting and handling stolen goods are not victimless crimes.
We need to be tougher on crime, not giving discriminatory favors to any gender.

ELM327

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Or again, instead of focusing on genetics that have nothing in do with the root cause, we could aim to fix the underlying problems.

Whatever way we go about it, we need to put an end to the gravy train.

Dyr

Imagine a country where career criminals with 50-100 convictions actually went to jail for a long time? It would be some sort of totalitarian hellhole where law abiding people could just get on with their lives.

Thank god, our political parties would never envisage such a state of affairs

biko

biko wrote: »

Here a controversial opinion - we should let most women in prison go.

Irish Prison Service data for 2017 shows that 95% of women who were incarcerated received sentences for crimes such as shoplifting or handling stolen goods.

Substance abuse and homelessness were the main reasons behind the offences.

Clearly you have never been the victim of a pickpocket? It can be very upsetting for someone who was out Christmas shopping having saved up for the event. Or a mother in town to get the school essentials in August.

They chose to steal from others to supplement their welfare and you suggest they are granted immunity? Yeah, that would make everything better provided the woman in question is a Criminal and not her victim.

Mad_maxx

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

We tried handouts already. It didn't work. Amazingly it actually ends up with more handouts

listen, beit travellers or sink estates with mass unemployment , the Left have been wrong now for three decades , the obvious thing to do is to try the Lefts away again for the next three decades and provide nothing but carrot

its bound to work this time

Mad_maxx

Deleted User wrote: »

Absolutely delusional take, away with the fairies.

People are poor because of capitalism. Capitalism only works when there is Rich vs. Poor.

The United States is the most conservative political system in the developed world, it also has the worst prison system in the developed world.

Norway is arguably the most 'left' political system in the developed world and also has the best prison system in the world.

Norway's solution isn't "Throw everyone in jail for 200 years."

apples and oranges , Norway is a small country of five million with very little ethnic diversity compared to the USA

Mad_maxx

Eric Cartman wrote: »

We cant get in to anything called eugenics though as obviously the connotations are terrible but the reality of it is , we need to drastically lower the replacement rates among the welfare classes and up the replacement rates among the middle and upper classes.

cap child benefit at four kids , as bar travellers , hardly anyone has more than four kids nowadays , i dont see much opposition bar the media who will move on to the next story after a week or two

RandomViewer

Mad_maxx wrote: »

listen, beit travellers or sink estates with mass unemployment , the Left have been wrong now for three decades , the obvious thing to do is to try the Lefts away again for the next three decades and provide nothing but carrot

its bound to work this time

We've never had a left government, Labour would be right of FF and only worry about public servants

Eric Cartman

Mad_maxx wrote: »

cap child benefit at four kids , as bar travellers , hardly anyone has more than four kids nowadays , i dont see much opposition bar the media who will move on to the next story after a week or two

Make it a tax credit rather than a benefit. It makes work more attractive and incentivises workers to have kids

end of the road

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Most of them are there because of habitual reoffending , many margaret cash types that just wont stop . Id say we need to build more womens prison spaces and get tougher on women

that's not affordable, taxes would have to rise and you don't believe in public services or taxes.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Or again, instead of focusing on genetics that have nothing in do with the root cause, we could aim to fix the underlying problems.

exactly, and sorting such problems would be a hell of a lot cheaper over all.

end of the road

Mad_maxx wrote: »

listen, beit travellers or sink estates with mass unemployment , the Left have been wrong now for three decades , the obvious thing to do is to try the Lefts away again for the next three decades and provide nothing but carrot

its bound to work this time

and yet everything the right whinge about the left apparently creating, not only have the right done nothing about it but they have increased the issues 10 fold and doubled down when shown to be wrong.
the left have got most things right, we certainly have got some things wrong, but generally when we do we admit to it and try to sort it out, the right just double down and continue making it worse.

Mad_maxx wrote: »

cap child benefit at four kids , as bar travellers , hardly anyone has more than four kids nowadays , i dont see much opposition bar the media who will move on to the next story after a week or two

wellfare caps don't work.
they just make it look like something is being done, and paper makes it look like they work, but in reality they are an abject failure.

RandomViewer

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Make it a tax credit rather than a benefit. It makes work more attractive and incentivises workers to have kids

Child benefit is a universal credit, most workers prefer money in their a account rather than some mythical credit that would be recouped by revenue elsewhere,
Flying in unskilled labour when there's thousands available here is something that should be stomped out

ELM327

RandomViewer wrote: »

Child benefit is a universal credit, most workers prefer money in their a account rather than some mythical credit that would be recouped by revenue elsewhere,
Flying in unskilled labour when there's thousands available here is something that should be stomped out

You can't stop people flying in labor from other parts of the EU.


I agree with your (unintended) label of CB as a "universal credit". This is how it should be.
Have a child? Get 230 a month tax deduction.

RandomViewer

ELM327 wrote: »

You can't stop people flying in labor from other parts of the EU.


I agree with your (unintended) label of CB as a "universal credit". This is how it should be.
Have a child? Get 230 a month tax deduction.

But you won't, and its 130, and Unskilled Labour, flying people in to throw a few strawberries in a box or a few steaks in a vacuum pack is both exploitation of them and adding to Irish unemployment figures, any company bringing in UNSKILLED workers should be sanctioned if they haven't tried every avenue locally to get workers,

blanch152

RandomViewer wrote: »

But you won't, and its 130, and Unskilled Labour, flying people in to throw a few strawberries in a box or a few steaks in a vacuum pack is both exploitation of them and adding to Irish unemployment figures, any company bringing in UNSKILLED workers should be sanctioned if they haven't tried every avenue locally to get workers,

Local people don't want to do menial work.

A man "living at home" with his parents while having a single mother partner with four kids by him in a house with a garden provided by the council, a car provided by the social worker and able to go on two holidays abroad with the proceeds from a few nixers, why would he take a job picking strawberries?

RandomViewer

blanch152 wrote: »

Local people don't want to do menial work.

A man "living at home" with his parents while having a single mother partner with four kids by him in a house with a garden provided by the council, a car provided by the social worker and able to go on two holidays abroad with the proceeds from a few nixers, why would he take a job picking strawberries?

Complete shyte, the only people who have an issue with menial labour is the employers who can't exploit EU workers Irish emigrants do these jobs in Australia , these jobs aren't even advertised here, As for your mythical nixer that hasn't existed in decades, nobody will let you on their property without insurance, ease off reading the Indo, kills the braincells

Witcher

RandomViewer wrote: »

Complete shyte, the only people who have an issue with menial labour is the employers who can't exploit EU workers Irish emigrants do these jobs in Australia , these jobs aren't even advertised here, As for your mythical nixer that hasn't existed in decades, nobody will let you on their property without insurance, ease off reading the Indo, kills the braincells

lol

Dyr

Deleted User wrote: »

Absolutely delusional take, away with the fairies.

People are poor because of capitalism. Capitalism only works when there is Rich vs. Poor.

The United States is the most conservative political system in the developed world, it also has the worst prison system in the developed world.

Oddly enough we had poor people long before capitalism and still have poor people in non capitalist countries.lots of 'em. Of course, poverty is always defined by the living standards of the time so our current poor would be middle class by 1980s standards. But yeah, capitalism maaaan.

the US has had massively lowered crime rates ever since they came up with the ingenious plan of putting criminals in prison for long periods. Obviously its rising again now, wonder what changed there?

Galwayhurl

The lack of proper sentencing in this country is maddening.

While it has its faults, I'd be in favour of a sort of "3 strikes and you're in prison for life" thing. Commit 3 SERIOUS offences and you're gone. Not like the American system of the 90s where a man could go down for 20 years because his 3rd offence was possession of some weed.

Some people contribute nothing but misery to society. They need to be put away for life. How many times have we heard of someone killing a person in a stolen vehicle or murdering them after having already committed 50 or 100 offences previously?

It's maddening sometimes.

RandomViewer

Galwayhurl wrote: »

The lack of proper sentencing in this country is maddening.

While it has its faults, I'd be in favour of a sort of "3 strikes and you're in prison for life" thing. Commit 3 SERIOUS offences and you're gone. Not like the American system of the 90s where a man could go down for 20 years because his 3rd offence was possession of some weed.

Some people contribute nothing but misery to society. They need to be put away for life. How many times have we heard of someone killing a person in a stolen vehicle or murdering them after having already committed 50 or 100 offences previously?

It's maddening sometimes.

They'll have a reference letter from local, TD, priest and Gaa manager,

RandomViewer

RandomViewer wrote: »

They'll have a reference letter from local, TD, priest and Gaa manager,

They're always brilliant at sport, and "would have made it" if only for the drugs.

Apparently if it wasn't for drugs Ireland would dominate every sport.

Ah well.

Coillte_Bhoy

RandomViewer wrote: »

Complete shyte, the only people who have an issue with menial labour is the employers who can't exploit EU workers Irish emigrants do these jobs in Australia , these jobs aren't even advertised here, As for your mythical nixer that hasn't existed in decades, nobody will let you on their property without insurance, ease off reading the Indo, kills the braincells

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