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St. Patrick's Day Protests

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    #362
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    JMNolan wrote: »
    I'd have no problem with that, virtually zero chance of me needing HSE treatment.

    And there we have it.


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    #363
    SnuggyBear
    Registered Users Posts: 965 ✭✭✭SnuggyBear


    Has there been ever been an outdoor super spreader event? Can anyone link me to one?


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    #364
    JMNolan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    And there we have it.

    We do indeed


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    #365
    Hellrazer
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Based on the last protest, only a fool would bring a child to such a protest.

    Why not?
    Go in have a peaceful protest, get a takeaway meal somewhere, sit in one of our lovely parks (if theyre not closed) and maybe a couple of takeout pints.


    Sounds almost like a normal St Patricks day- just substitute "viewing the parade" for "protesting peacefully"


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    #366
    sebdavis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 891 ✭✭✭sebdavis


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    Why not?
    Go in have a peaceful protest, get a takeaway meal somewhere, sit in one of our lovely parks (if theyre not closed) and maybe a couple of takeout pints.


    Sounds almost like a normal St Patricks day- just substitute "viewing the parade" for "protesting peacefully"

    Its not a peaceful protest and everyone going in knows that
    It's just a plan for a certain group to have a bag of cans and attack the Gardai and everyone else. The same people will be doing the exact same next year and the year after and the year after.


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    #367
    The Inbetween is mine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭The Inbetween is mine


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    Why not?
    Go in have a peaceful protest, get a takeaway meal somewhere, sit in one of our lovely parks (if theyre not closed) and maybe a couple of takeout pints.


    Sounds almost like a normal St Patricks day- just substitute "viewing the parade" for "protesting peacefully"

    Ah, ok...I'll leave it there so.


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    #368
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    sebdavis wrote: »
    What are they protesting? that a pandemic is on and they don't like it?
    Professional business man :-) if he was professional he would realise "protests" like this are just another risk to closing down the country for longer and hitting his business more.

    I don't agree with the protest, I didn't agree with BLM protests in this country either. But do you want to live in a country where people can't protest? I certainly don't.


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    #369
    sebdavis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 891 ✭✭✭sebdavis


    JMNolan wrote: »
    I'd have no problem with that, virtually zero chance of me needing HSE treatment. Plus, I'll be wearing a mask and socially distancing so no chance really of me catching anything outdoors.

    I think you need to read up on what a pandemic is


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    #370
    JMNolan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    sebdavis wrote: »
    I think you need to read up on what a pandemic is

    I have, weighed up the risk, happy to accept the risk. Live on my own, meet no one.


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    #371
    sebdavis
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    PokeHerKing wrote: »
    I don't agree with the protest, I didn't agree with BLM protests in this country either. But do you want to live in a country where people can't protest? I certainly don't.

    Protest away when covid is gone. Fill the streets and sack the government. Try and copy the US for BLM I couldn't care.
    Until the pandemic is gone stay at home.....simple

    To be honest over the years I have seen the Irish people take so much crap and do nothing.....terrible governments. Cover up and nothing. Not a whisper of a parade. Now suddenly we have a certain group that want to protest.


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    #372
    tommybrees
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    sebdavis wrote: »
    Its not a peaceful protest and everyone going in knows that
    It's just a plan for a certain group to have a bag of cans and attack the Gardai and everyone else. The same people will be doing the exact same next year and the year after and the year after.

    It's always the minority that cause problems for the majority.


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    #373
    JMNolan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    SnuggyBear wrote: »
    Has there been ever been an outdoor super spreader event? Can anyone link me to one?

    I've found lots of examples of indoor ones, never found an example for outdoors


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    #374
    suicide_circus
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    sebdavis wrote: »
    What are they protesting?
    That a pathologically myopic and risk averse shower of dithering incompetents are providing no hope, ambition or respect to the people via their messaging or actions.


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    #375
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,651 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    SnuggyBear wrote: »
    Has there been ever been an outdoor super spreader event? Can anyone link me to one?

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/31/coronavirus-trump-campaign-rallies-led-to-30000-cases-stanford-researchers-say.html

    Theres 15 for you


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    #376
    SnuggyBear
    Registered Users Posts: 965 ✭✭✭SnuggyBear


    sebdavis wrote: »
    Protest away when covid is gone. Fill the streets and sack the government. Try and copy the US for BLM I couldn't care.
    Until the pandemic is gone stay at home.....simple

    To be honest over the years I have seen the Irish people take so much crap and do nothing.....terrible governments. Cover up and nothing. Not a whisper of a parade. Now suddenly we have a certain group that want to protest.

    The government had no problem with any protest until the last lockdown protest. Protest about a US problem? Grand. Protest about an Irish problem, shut it down!


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    #377
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    sebdavis wrote: »
    Protest away when covid is gone. Fill the streets and sack the government. Try and copy the US for BLM I couldn't care.
    Until the pandemic is gone stay at home.....simple

    I agree with you, I'm as fed up as the next person with the whole situation but I'm also in the cohort of people living in a suburban home, wfh, cash building etc so while I'm fed up I've no reason to completely flip out and protest.

    Not everyone is that lucky so whilst I don't agree with them, I can understand why some people want to protest and I don't want to live in a country where that right gets eroded regardless of circumstances. Slippery Road etc.


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    #378
    sebdavis
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    tommybrees wrote: »
    It's always the minority that cause problems for the majority.

    Not really....if the majority wanted they can stop. Thats the point of a majority.
    In this case it is not, the minority are the poor people who haven't the cop on to realise this or none of these protests will ever be peaceful. Its just a large group out to start a fight, the majority of the group.

    If it was minority and someone started something, then the majority turn around and stop them. Simple.


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    #379
    JMNolan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/31/coronavirus-trump-campaign-rallies-led-to-30000-cases-stanford-researchers-say.html

    Theres 15 for you

    "This preprint research paper has not been peer reviewed."

    ewwwww


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    #380
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,651 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    JMNolan wrote: »
    "This preprint research paper has not been peer reviewed."

    ewwwww

    LOL

    but but but sir.....


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    #381
    Hellrazer
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    sebdavis wrote: »
    Its not a peaceful protest and everyone going in knows that
    It's just a plan for a certain group to have a bag of cans and attack the Gardai and everyone else. The same people will be doing the exact same next year and the year after and the year after.

    That's your opinion.

    I however support these protests against a government that is pissing away money on a virus that in reality isn't that serious.

    Our country is being run by a group of unelected health advisers and our elected officials are too afraid to make a decision that goes against this group.

    This lock down doesn't need to be in place and they country should be opened up or at the very least give us a time frame of when we will open up.

    Also the people saying that a protest will make the lock down last longer have no actual proof that this can happen.

    Last protest was the 27th February and there was no spike in cases after that which can be linked to that protest so that argument doesn't hold up.


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    #382
    Blud
    Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭Blud


    The whole "minority ruining it for the majority" thing is a red herring. Everyone going onto that protest today knows that there probably will be trouble at some stage or another. Everyone going is therefore complicit in that trouble. Anyone bringing kids is an absolute moron - zero excuses or rationalising allowed, just idiotic to bring kids in there.


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    #383
    Aph2016
    Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭Aph2016


    sebdavis wrote: »
    Protest away when covid is gone. Fill the streets and sack the government. Try and copy the US for BLM I couldn't care.
    Until the pandemic is gone stay at home.....simple

    To be honest over the years I have seen the Irish people take so much crap and do nothing.....terrible governments. Cover up and nothing. Not a whisper of a parade. Now suddenly we have a certain group that want to protest.

    A certain group that have had their incomes destroyed through no fault of their own. Seems like a fairly worthwhile reason to protest. Lumping everyone in with 'the far right' is a low IQ argument. We all know there's going to be genuine people protesting, and yes you will get some lunatics. It comes down to proportionality, and the current lockdown measures are not proportional.

    Just 10 more weeks.


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    #384
    The Nal
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    Does anyone going in today actually expect the protest to have any impact whatsoever?


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    #385
    JMNolan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    The Nal wrote: »
    Does anyone going in today actually expect the protest to have any impact whatsoever?

    Some protests do, some don't. Sure how could you know before hand. I'm sure the protest yesterday felt they were going to make an impact but in reality they wont.


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    #386
    Samsonsmasher
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    The best protest you can make is visit your family and friends and visit a beauty spot outside 5km.


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    #387
    SnuggyBear
    Registered Users Posts: 965 ✭✭✭SnuggyBear


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/31/coronavirus-trump-campaign-rallies-led-to-30000-cases-stanford-researchers-say.html

    Theres 15 for you

    Funny that BLM protests aren't super spreader events

    https://www.inverse.com/mind-body/covid-blm-protests-link


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    #388
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,651 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    JMNolan wrote: »
    "This preprint research paper has not been peer reviewed."

    ewwwww

    Conclusions
    Our analysis strongly supports the warnings and recommendations of public health officials
    concerning the risk of COVID-19 transmission at large group gatherings, particularly when the
    degree of compliance with guidelines concerning the use of masks and social distancing is low. The
    communities in which Trump rallies took place paid a high price in terms of disease and death.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://siepr.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/publications/20-043.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi4o63yhbfvAhUjURUIHTLgAWkQFjABegQIChAC&usg=AOvVaw3H7FCaYNqB446KGFTntjub

    The peer reviewed proof


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    #389
    bluelamp
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    sebdavis wrote: »
    Protest away when covid is gone. Fill the streets and sack the government. Try and copy the US for BLM I couldn't care.
    Until the pandemic is gone stay at home.....simple

    The right to protest shouldn't be a "sometimes" right.

    There are other issues in the world. Look at the (mostly) young women protesting over Sarah Everard - covid is next to zero risk for them, but what they are protesting against is a real risk.

    The right to protest is extremely important, you don't need to look too far back to see what it can achieve (when a government has gone against the will of the people).

    There was no spike from the BLM protests in the states - this superspreader nonsense claim needs to stop. They are outdoor events.

    Our right to protest is gone, the right to work for a lot of people is gone, freedom of movement has been gone for the best part of the year.

    Our passport office is closed to new applicants and we have a 2000€ fine for daring to leave the country.

    How easily the Irish population have given up basic rights - the government probably can't believe how long they have gotten away with these measures.

    And no, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, and I will be taking a vaccine when offered.


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    #390
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,651 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    SnuggyBear wrote: »
    Funny that BLM protests aren't super spreader events

    https://www.inverse.com/mind-body/covid-blm-protests-link

    Is it?

    You've a different sense of humour than me then


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    #391
    sebdavis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 891 ✭✭✭sebdavis


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    A certain group that have had their incomes destroyed through no fault of their own. Seems like a fairly worthwhile reason to protest. Lumping everyone in with 'the far right' is a low IQ argument. We all know there's going to be genuine people protesting, and yes you will get some lunatics. It comes down to proportionality, and the current lockdown measures are not proportional.

    Just 10 more weeks.

    I didn't lump anyone in far right. its the low IQ argument to say everyone is making that accusation when they are not.

    As I said if the minority are lookign for a fight then the majority stop them. As seen previously this is not true. Just a group of people out looking for a fight with the Garda. Nothing to do with professional business man or people losing their income.
    You can find plenty of coverage of previous St Patrick day with the similar groups of people turning Dublin city centre into a warzone. All going for a few cans and having a walk in the park:p


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