St. Patrick's Day Protests

AdrianBalboa

18 deaths today.

Enjoy the cans tomorrow.

tjhook

riffmongous wrote: »

I agree the right to protest isn't absolute, but I think it's an important enough right that a blanket ban isn't good enough. They aren't affecting anyone or protesting for anything undemocratic, it's very small, well controlled and supervised, if something like that can't go ahead then there's a serious problem here.

It's fine for you or me to have an opinion on the merits of any cause - but is it right for the law to be applied based on whether the protest is small, or people are "protesting for anything undemocratic"? So if a cause is popular (i.e. lots of supporters), a protest can't go ahead, whereas an unpopular cause (e.g. me protesting with 12 others about smut in movies) may be fine?

I would say a blanket rule is preferable. Either allow or disallow protest. The state has no business judging the merits of particular causes.

Atlantic Dawn

Gardai need bodycams so if something major does kick off they have footage to prove what happened in the run up to the incident.

2011abc

AdrianBalboa wrote: »

18 deaths today.

Enjoy the cans tomorrow.

'Today' ...really?

alchemist33

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Cant wait to see the usual faces come in here to condemn this protest who were utterly silent on the george njchenko funeral , the traveller funeral, the ruth coppinger protest and the uk vigil.

Every single one of these protests are moronic and dangerous superspreader events, I dont think anyone can come in to any thread and loudly condemn one without having condemned them all.

Have you got a good spreadsheet of posters on every thread so as to catch them out?

drunkmonkey

AdrianBalboa wrote: »

18 deaths today.

Enjoy the cans tomorrow.

Context? As so far this month they've been reporting deaths and historical cases from last year, we don't go from two days of 0 to 18 the day before the protests.
They've manipulated the data to suit the agenda, for all we know they could all be denotifications over the next few months.

MrMusician18

riffmongous wrote: »

It's a relatively small number of people in a very well ventilated space, masked up. There's no overcrowding of public transport or anything. The chances of them contributing to the continuation of the current environment are very low, that's the meat of it. They'd be as bad off going to a supermarket and being indoors.

I agree the right to protest isn't absolute, but I think it's an important enough right that a blanket ban isn't good enough. They aren't affecting anyone or protesting for anything undemocratic, it's very small, well controlled and supervised, if something like that can't go ahead then there's a serious problem here.

I'll ask again, couldn't the protest wait?

Should have named the thread St. Patty's Day Protests to get the full range of unhinged responses.

riffmongous

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I'll ask again, couldn't the protest wait?

That's not for me (or you) to judge

headtheball14

The age range of those who died today started at 55 but don't let's facts ruin your point

MrMusician18

riffmongous wrote: »

That's not for me (or you) to judge

Why not? Of course we can have an opinion on whether or not this illegal mass gathering was appropriate in the middle of the pandemic.

Strumms

Deleted User wrote: »

As much as I am opposed to the protests, it's this absolutely ****ty attitude that boils my piss.

A vast number of people protesting will be small business owners who are crippled because of an inconsistent attitude towards reopening of their own businesses

They are protesting so they DONT need to collect a social welfare payment.

Yes, there will be scumbags there. But not every person and certainly not most people there should be lumped into the category you and a few others want to put them into.

It's a canny tactic used to dissuade regular folk from turning up. "Oh everyone there is alt-right, you better not go".

Someone here earlier branded them as fascist

Absolute rubbish.

Fascists :

Anti community, anti democracy, ultra nationalistic, not against violence if it means they achieve their aims....

There is an inconsistent attitude because every time things get to the cusp of opening up ? A reasonable percentage of people fûck things up ! The government can’t be consistent in the decisions they make as long as people are not being consistent as regards how they behave... now this shîtshow tomorrow, won’t be peaceful, I think we know that, but you’ll have all the excuses from the excusers.

Ninthlife

Is this being broadcast on RTE as an alternative to the parade??

Ninthlife

Ninthlife wrote: »

Is this being broadcast on RTE as an alternative to the parade??

It's being presented by Anto and Deco.

sonofenoch

Deleted User wrote: »

It's being presented by Anto and Deco.

And Bosco

Calahonda52

Deleted User wrote: »

Should have named the thread St. Patty's Day Protests to get the full range of unhinged responses.

water cannon, teargas and buckshot

seenitall

Ninthlife wrote: »

Is this being broadcast on RTE as an alternative to the parade??

The revolution will be televised.

Kermit.de.frog

Dutch Gold parade

AdrianBalboa

AdrianBalboa wrote: »

18 deaths today.

Enjoy the cans tomorrow.

What's your obsession with cans?

Why can't you post without trying to inflame?

I'm more than happy to discuss issues with people I disagree with.

Why do you want to consistently want to argue?

tommybrees

Will be 100% in attendance.
Do I think it will change anything, probably not but at least I can say I tried. There's absolutely no justification for level 5 lockdown.
if it's safe enough to be packed in supermarkets or off-licence then it should be safe enough to do other thing's.

Allinall

The Punter wrote: »

It's sad those 18 people aged 80+ with underlying health conditions passed away. Just not sure shutting down the country is justified.

How do you know they were all over 80?

I’ll answer for you.
You don’t, because they were not.

Strumms

Strumms wrote: »

Fascists :

Anti community, anti democracy, ultra nationalistic, not against violence if it means they achieve their aims....

There is an inconsistent attitude because every time things get to the cusp of opening up ? A reasonable percentage of people fûck things up ! The government can’t be consistent in the decisions they make as long as people are not being consistent as regards how they behave... now this shîtshow tomorrow, won’t be peaceful, I think we know that, but you’ll have all the excuses from the excusers.

You honestly think that the people rallying against the government are fascist?

As I've said multiple times, I disagree with the protest. If you call them fascist, then you lose credibility.

I agree, it won't be peaceful. There will be bad actors. Did you hold BLM to the same extent?

You can't stop dickheads usurp a decent movement

buried

Strumms wrote: »

Fascists :

Anti community, anti democracy, ultra nationalistic, not against violence if it means they achieve their aims....

That is nowhere near or close to the actual definition of fascism.

AdrianBalboa

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What's your obsession with cans?

Why can't you post without trying to inflame?

I'm more than happy to discuss issues with people I disagree with.

Why do you want to consistently want to argue?

The people protesting tomorrow are the lowest of the low, in my view. I’m not trying to inflame anyway, I truly believe that the majority of the people going are doing it for an excuse to go on the batter on St Patrick’s Day.

Get Real

tommybrees wrote: »

Will be 100% in attendance.
Do I think it will change anything, probably not but at least I can say I tried. There's absolutely no justification for level 5 lockdown.
if it's safe enough to be packed in supermarkets or off-licence then it should be safe enough to do other thing's.

So you acknowledge yourself it will probably change little, but are going anyway?

The rest of us want to go out too you know, and have things back to normal. You're not some sort of exceptional case.

Yet you're going, will be interacting with others, using state resources, all so you can say "at least I tried". Tried what exactly? So you're going to get some self gratification.

Altbough I disagree with you, fair play for being honest. I'm just unsure how you can't see the countless fallacies in your logic.

riffmongous

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Why not? Of course we can have an opinion on whether or not this illegal mass gathering was appropriate in the middle of the pandemic.

And I've already explained why I think it was appropriately done.

Get Real

Get Real wrote: »

So you acknowledge yourself it will probably change little, but are going anyway?

The rest of us want to go out too you know, and have things back to normal. You're not some sort of exceptional case.

Yet you're going, will be interacting with others, using state resources, all so you can say "at least I tried". Tried what exactly? So you're going to get some self gratification.

Altbough I disagree with you, fair play for being honest. I'm just unsure how you can't see the countless fallacies in your logic.

See this...this is why I get accused of whataboutism.

The people who went to the event today would have travelled on the same busses, didn't socially distance when the camera wasn't there, but no furore.

I HATE the thought of this **** tomorrow and feel it's a terrible thing, but be consistent in your condemnation.

It will be a **** show. Without a doubt. And I never will condo e it

Larbre34

AdrianBalboa wrote: »

The people protesting tomorrow are the lowest of the low, in my view. I’m not trying to inflame anyway, I truly believe that the majority of the people going are doing it for an excuse to go on the batter on St Patrick’s Day.

Completely agree. Whatever measures the Guards employ tomorrow to discourage, divert or break up these absolutely nonsensical and vexatious gatherings have my full support.

riffmongous

tjhook wrote: »

It's fine for you or me to have an opinion on the merits of any cause - but is it right for the law to be applied based on whether the protest is small, or people are "protesting for anything undemocratic"? So if a cause is popular (i.e. lots of supporters), a protest can't go ahead, whereas an unpopular cause (e.g. me protesting with 12 others about smut in movies) may be fine?

I would say a blanket rule is preferable. Either allow or disallow protest. The state has no business judging the merits of particular causes.

Yeah that is dodgy alright, but I would say rather that 100 small protests of a popular cause should be allowed and not one large protest.

AdrianBalboa

AdrianBalboa wrote: »

The people protesting tomorrow are the lowest of the low, in my view. I’m not trying to inflame anyway, I truly believe that the majority of the people going are doing it for an excuse to go on the batter on St Patrick’s Day.

I don't doubt that. I am sure that is your genuine belief. I am sure it's going to be horrific and I do think it's going to go pear shaped

I do believe that it will be a minority that give the majority a bad name.

I do think you wouldn't hold other people to that standard though. And I honestly think you are so far gone in your belief that you feel you are on "the right side".