The delusions of Mary McAleese

partyguinness

Faugheen wrote: »

Funded a lot of mother and baby homes and schools too where they took advantage of vulnerable people and tried to cover it up.

I’m sorry that it upsets you that the institution is warped.

The CC (like all other organised faiths) needs to grow and develop. It needs an audience. It needs money. It needs to survive. It needs to live and breathe.

At the most fundamental level the CC is an industry and a business like all others. Once you keep that in mind you can justify everything.

partyguinness

lalababa wrote: »

I'm always amazed by the backlash McCalese gets for saying that RCC doctrine is discriminatory to women & gays. Which it is..( Basically says women & gays are inherently evil and of lesser importance than men)
But shur begawd you can't bate a good mass shur don't be thinking too much fer yerself .....who do you think you are atall at all at all.

It is fear. As a general point religion thrives on fear and ignorance but run by people who are anything but fearful and ignorant.

Is my local bishop a bishop because he is more religious than the priests below him? No. He is the smartest and best 'operator'. He 'gets' the business or the Firm.

It is no coincidence that the most fundamentally religious commnities across all faiths and across the world are also some of the poorest.

Dalkin

I like Mary McAlese but I do think she seems to be a bit obsessed with the church. What does she expect the catholic church to have only catholic views? If it's an empire of misogyny and what not why does she worship at its alter every week (least I think she's still a practicing catholic). I just left the church when I developed views which were inconsistent with catholicism.
I suppose because she is a practicing catholic it's her business what her church says and does. She is an active member and is very knowledgeable about things like canon law I think.
I reckon it's not really for people like me to say how the church should be. I can (and frequently do!) disagree with the pope left right and centre when debating with Catholics. I can also object to catholic views being imposed on the rest of us but when it comes to church policy that's for Catholics to sort out.

tdf7187

Jim2007 wrote: »

I know lockdown is hard, but obsessing about Mary McAleese is not health.

She is a major public figure, has a high media profile and her pronouncements are regularly quoted in the establishment media, almost always without any dissent or adverse comment. Starting a thread critiquing the pronouncements of a public figure is hardly obsessing over her.

tayto lover

Is she acting on behalf of all gays or just her son?
Hadn’t heard much about it until the son came out.

Faugheen

Faugheen wrote: »

Maybe for the Church to move on with the times and to stop living in the 1500s.

The Catholic Church is a homophobic, misogynistic institution. F*ck ‘em.

The Catholic Church is the safest, easiest institution in the world to kick these days. Get zero points for edginess.

A bit of perspective wouldn't go amiss. The Catholic Church doesn't have its adherents routinely throwing gays off buildings and telling women they can't drive.

randd1

keano_afc wrote: »

But they're not going to change. Don't like it? Fine, don't join it. Move on and find another hobby.

Which people are doing. Because they’re not changing with the times. Which is kind of her point.

Although she misses the bigger point that it’s all nonsense to begin with, based on little more than a well organized fairy tale for adults.

randd1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The Catholic Church is the safest, easiest institution in the world to kick these days. Get zero points for edginess.

A bit of perspective wouldn't go amiss. The Catholic Church doesn't have its adherents routinely throwing gays off buildings and telling women they can't drive.

If perspective was applied to religion, religion wouldn’t exist.

Bobtheman

partyguinness wrote: »

Well, of course it is the simplistic version to paint the overall picture. It is a Boards post and not meant to be a comprehensive treatsie.

The po faced Tooler has impeccable creditentials and his analysis historical is sound (a bit too depressing sometimes granted) but I can understand why he would get under your skin what with his pesky historical analysis of Church related matters...;)

Why would you say that the Church based system is more efficent than the pure State system? I am not disagreeing with you as such just curious as a matter of interest.

Exactly how does tooler have impeccable credentials? He has been around too long and is incredibly predictable. Tedious. He doesn't try to see the other side and thus is essentially an echo chamber.
Most hospitals and schools in Ireland are trusts. They raise their own money plus get state subvention. Thus secondary schools get less funding than say a community school. Hospitals founded by the religious and still operable today get less funding than fully state hospitals. They can raise their own money etc. Not burdened by total state bull****.
I think one has to read a history book or two and not rely on tooler and his odd article.
The church through out Europe was integral to the building of health and education systems. There were rarely any alternatives.
The church essentially created civic society and if you doubt it look at Muslim countries for the lack of it.
Tom Holland has a great book on it. Dominion. Essentially Europe is a Christian creation. Even today

Mcaleese is just another boring ''woke'' has-been interviewing more vacuous people like Dwyer and that bimbo Purcell with her fake lips who doesnt know her arse from her elbow

AdrianBalboa

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The Catholic Church is the safest, easiest institution in the world to kick these days. Get zero points for edginess.

A bit of perspective wouldn't go amiss. The Catholic Church doesn't have its adherents routinely throwing gays off buildings and telling women they can't drive.

No they just raped a load of kids and covered it up.

Annasopra

tayto lover wrote: »

Is she acting on behalf of all gays or just her son?
Hadn’t heard much about it until the son came out.

Not at all. Mary has a long history of supporting lgbt rights.

She cofounded the campaign for homosexual law reform with David Norris in 1975

She highlighted Catholic church homophobia as far back as 1997 and supported LGBT youth anti homophobic bullying campaigns in the 2000s

Galwayguy35

Sure if she doesn't agree with what they are saying she can leave because they aren't going to change because she starts whinging about some rule or other they have.

beggars_bush

There should be no religious programs on rte

buried

Is she a practicing catholic? If so, she'd want to read more up her Abrahamic religion and what her god Yahweh liked to dish out on a regular basis in the old testament.

Bobtheman

AdrianBalboa wrote: »

No they just raped a load of kids and covered it up.

Right on man. It was only church people. No lay person ever raped a child. Idiot

Bobtheman

Annasopra wrote: »

Not at all. Mary has a long history of supporting lgbt rights.

She cofounded the campaign for homosexual law reform with David Norris in 1975

She highlighted Catholic church homophobia as far back as 1997 and supported LGBT youth anti homophobic bullying campaigns in the 2000s

Really? She hardly mentioned it when president. To my recollection.
Just checked your facts. She did support david Norris in the 1970s but I really don't recall her being pro gay as president.

Annasopra

Bobtheman wrote: »

Really? She hardly mentioned it when president. To my recollection.
Just checked your facts. She did support david Norris in the 1970s but I really don't recall her being pro gay as president.

She was very supportive of Belong Tos work while she was President.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/mcaleese-urges-action-on-homophobic-bullying-1.830902?mode=amp

billyhead

She's just a bitter old woman. She's probably going a bit senile.

Annasopra

billyhead wrote: »

She's just a bitter old woman. She's probably going a bit senile.

Lol. She is so much more thsn a bitter old woman that might be senile. But yeah your lack of argument and judgementalism says more about you than anyone else.

alchemist33

Where are the "delusions" of the title?

Mules

I find her very annoying too. She's always looking for attention. She seems to be genuinely surprised that the Catholic church won't change their rules just for her. I don't know why she doesn't find another religion that would suit her better.

Gregor Samsa

Everyone seems to be missing the salient point that she’s a Canon Lawyer. Talking about the law and doctrine of the Church is what she has chosen to specialise in academically and professionally since leaving Áras an Uachtaráin.

How anyone can be “pro church” is delusional to me.
It spits in the faces of so many victims.
Mary is right.

elperello

billyhead wrote: »

She's just a bitter old woman. She's probably going a bit senile.

She is only 69 and has had a very fulfilling life I have never seen bitterness as a trait of her character.

As for your unkind suggestion of senility she just published a book last September.

It's a memoir entitled "Here's the Story", give it a try and get back to us.

Stihl waters

Absolutely no interest in religion of any kind and while I can't disagree with what she says it makes me wonder why these outspoken campaigners of humanity only direct their ire at Christian ideals, where is she down on record as admonishing Islam for its views on homosexuality, it's not a pick and choose topic, Judaism, historically has some fairly dim view of same sex relationships, where are her words of condemnation against these backward fools, if you're going to criticize one have the balls and include them all, but I suppose fatwas aren't something she needs to be afraid of when attacking the catholic church

Beechwoodspark

buried wrote: »

Is she a practicing catholic? If so, she'd want to read more up her Abrahamic religion and what her god Yahweh liked to dish out on a regular basis in the old testament.

Catholics put a serious emphasis on the New Testament and the acts of the apostles, not so much the Old Testament (only where it foretells the coming of the lord etc)

Stihl waters

Stihl waters wrote: »

Absolutely no interest in religion of any kind and while I can't disagree with what she says it makes me wonder would why these outspoken campaigners of humanity only direct their ire at Christian ideals, where is she down on record as admonishing Islam for its views on homosexuality, it's not a pick and choose topic, Judaism, historically has some fairly dim view of same sex relationships, where are her words of condemnation against these backward fools, if you're goi6to criticize one have the balls and include them all, but I suppose fatwas aren't something she needs to be afraid of when attacking the catholic church

Hmm, well because maybe Ireland has a dark history of being oppressed, controlled and abused by the Catholic Church.

That’s just one possibility I guess.

There’s Also the the fact she is a Catholic academic and author and holds a licentiate and doctorate in Canon law.

Tyrone212

Stihl waters wrote: »

Absolutely no interest in religion of any kind and while I can't disagree with what she says it makes me wonder why these outspoken campaigners of humanity only direct their ire at Christian ideals, where is she down on record as admonishing Islam for its views on homosexuality, it's not a pick and choose topic, Judaism, historically has some fairly dim view of same sex relationships, where are her words of condemnation against these backward fools, if you're going to criticize one have the balls and include them all, but I suppose fatwas aren't something she needs to be afraid of when attacking the catholic church

Get what you're saying. However maybe its because the church has influence in this country and Islam doesn't. Likewise in Muslim countries, anyone brave enough to speak out would be speaking out about the religion in that country, not Christianity as it doesn't pertain to them.

buried

Deleted User wrote: »

Hmm, well because maybe Ireland has a dark history of being oppressed, controlled and abused by the Catholic Church.

That’s just one possibility I guess.

There’s Also the the fact she is a Catholic academic and author and holds a licentiate and doctorate in Canon law.

Are you serious? And only now she is discovering human rights problems concerning her Abrahamic death cult religion? Has she read the bible and the codex of human rights brutality within it?