This week's classic tractor I'm not buying

Grueller

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122918314#Comment_122918314

There were a lot of good tractors of that size in that era TM, JD 6820, Valtra 8350 and case mx135 were also all great tractors and all similar horsepower.

blue5000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122918890#Comment_122918890

I agree with you, when we are old and decrepit, sitting in a nursing home I reckon the late 90s to early noughties will be fondly remembered as the golden age of tractors and turbo diesel cars. Ad-blu, dpf and egr killed it. Lucky for me, I’m older and the tractors I like are getting a bit cheaper.

divillybit

I'm fixing up an 2003 8150 Valtra that had a hard life with a contractor but I bought it relatively cheap at 13k. I'll spend about 17k on it fixing it up (refurbished radiators, tyres, injectors, head gasket, alternator, damper pulley, new oils and filters, brakes and pto pack, hitch refurbished, exhaust repair etc, rust repairs) and alot of my own hours and will hold onto it for a long time. No ad blue, computer screens, etc so it's a basic tractor nowadays but should be a good reliable tractor long term.

roosky

hi all,

just read through the posts here and there seems to be a lot of knowledge and opinions so I would like your advice,

im looking at buying a tractor and everyone I talk to suggests something differnt so I would like to see what people on here think

im looking for a 100 to 120 horse power, with 40+ km box, and a front loader and max 6 to 7k hours ….it needs to land in the 25 to 35k price range, all relatively light work and would only put maybe 250 hours a year on it

So far I’m looking at NH 7635 or TS100/110, landini power farm or vision, case MXU115

I would do a lot of road work with cattle trailer so was considering a deutz to get up to a 50k box

I find a lot of tractors on DoneDeal up at 9 or 10,000 hours still making silly money and then the likes of a 7635 asking for 35 k grand for a 30 year old tractor

I know it’s a very open ended question but any advice is appreciated because I’m not very knowledgeable with tractors

TIA

divillybit

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/valtra-6400/38082345

This Valtra might suit, it's certainly not a 50k tractor however. If you are based in Roosky like your username would suggest then it's only over the road from you in mohill. It's still on a UK reg though.

9935452

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122932434#Comment_122932434

New tractor prices have gone nuts which have pushed the older tractor prices up.

The Old way od measuring hours was 1 hour per hour at 1700 or 1800 rpm. A tractor ticking over clocked less hours as a result. A tractor revved out clocked more.

The new way is 1 hour per hour running regardless of how much its revved up.

As a result , people get a skewed opinion on hours. I wouldnt say 10k hours is high. I would judge on condition. 10k might be handy hours feeding cattle or the likes or on the likes of an agitator working hard, .

Regarding the 50k bit . Just be aware there is more braking requirements when you go to 50k like an emergency brake. .

That said there are tractors on 40k boxes that are doing more. Landini legends and visions are hitting 48k. 7840 sle nh are doing similar.

Packrat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122932434#Comment_122932434

For 250 hours a year, buying a NH, a Massey or Deere would be madness. It took me a good while to accept that it's only brand snobbery for someone doing such low hours. Like buying a Fendt to feed cows...

The Case, a McCormick, or maybe a Deutz or Same would be more appropriate. I'd have liked a Deutz because of the cab but couldn't get one in my price range so I ended up with a Case.

I personally dislike Landini and Valtra but that's just a preference.

Whatever you buy needs to be inside when not being driven or it'll be worthless in short order.

Wild card - look at Kubota... a lot of tractor for the money.

older by the day

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122933247#Comment_122933247

I hate wasting money but the tractor and the milking machine are the two machines that are critical to me.

If you are looking around the old mf and NH and JDS are still doing a lot of work on farms, while other tractors are long scrapped. They are reliable and if looked after, they hold their value

roosky

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122933247#Comment_122933247

yes I agree it’s hard to justify the big brands but with working off farm I need reliability and I don’t have time for breakdowns etc….when I ask fitters they all go back to the big brands as the most reliable.

Landini are popular around me so parts and mechanic expertise is why I was considering them.

I drove a same and really didn’t like it, drove a case and it was lovely, haven’t drove a deutz but will do this week,

Thanks for your input 👍

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122934586#Comment_122934586

Massey Ferguson 5455 be a good shout too.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122932434#Comment_122932434

50k would be hard on the animals in the trailer

roosky

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122934854#Comment_122934854

but it would be less time in the trailer …..I’m thinking of animal welfare 😂😂

9935452

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122934586#Comment_122934586

If i was buying in the morning id go newholland.

Contractor i work for ran new hollands alongside landinis at silage , pit and bales and slurry.

I would have a soft spot for the landinis clocking probably 5 or 6k hours on ghiblis, legends and powermondial.

The new hollands took the hours better.

At 12k hours the landinis were getting rough, constant little stupid things happening to them. New hollands were a lot fresher at 15k hours. . An 8360 left the yard at 18k hours going perfect having given no big problems in 12k hours.

TThe New hollands were better specced with the range command gearbox , both sets had air con and air seats but the nh were a nicer place to spend a day. A lot quieter and more comfortable .

Local contractor here ran a fleet of valmets and valtras here and swore by them . Basic but rarely gave bother.

They retired a few years back and a few of them had big hours , one had 23k hours , engine and gearbox never touched.

The father has a valtra for the last 5 years. Only got a new alternater and battery

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122934586#Comment_122934586

You say about 250 hours a year. How come you need a 120/130 HP tractor. on them.kind of hours will you be doing 50.hours road work a year. I suspect a 80-90 HP tractor woukd be more than sufficient .

Something like this is more than adequate for tgem sort of hours

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/2007-mccormick-cx95/38393580

roosky

I was putting 250 hours on my old tractor and will probably be putting more on this new one because getting up to a 40km box means I will be selling the jeep and doing all trailer work with tractor.

When I was upgrading I wanted to have enough power but maybe 100 is enough for me

Ya maybe that McCormack would be a good shout

emaherx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122936113#Comment_122936113

I went from an MF390T to a McCormick CX95 a little over 2 years ago. I find the tractor a big upgrade even though it is actually a little lower in HP. It has a 40K box and I pull an 18ft cattle trailer, I also sold the jeep and trailer.

It does all the mowing, bailing, agitating and muck/ slurry spreading here and is more than capable of what I need. Tanker is 1300 gallons but it's pulled a 1600 with no issues. It also has a self levelling loader and tractor is a bit heavier than the 390T and feels much more stable. Honestly the only reason I'd consider going over 100hp would be to run a higher capacity baler or pull a bigger tanker.

The only thing is the electronic clutch takes a little getting used to, and definitely not as refined as a NH T6 that I drive regularly enough belonging to the in-laws, but I wouldn't go back to a full manual gear box over it either.

emaherx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122935960#Comment_122935960

I don't think the tractor in the ad has a 40k box, I think only some of the models with the power shuttle have, possibly just xtrashift models

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122935960#Comment_122935960

That tractor is worth about 12000. A Quicke 430 loader badged as a Q35. A backend from an International 574 and bald front tyres.

divillybit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122934988#Comment_122934988

I can't help be curious when I hear an engine has done x amount of hours and never been touched.. Does that mean pistons /liners / chankshaft bearings etc haven't been touched but things like the water pump, fuel pump etc have been replaced? I got the engine of my 8150 valtra a minor overhaul during the summer, head gasket done and block skimmed, refurbished injectors and crankshaft damper pulley replaced all on the advice of the engine guy doing the work.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122937012#Comment_122937012

The McCormicks were basic stockman tractors. @roosky is not going to buy a clean 120/130HP tractor for less than 30k( and more than likely a bit with it.

Ya the front tyres are worn but other than that the tractor looks clean it has low hours. The seat is the original Case seat AFAIK and the paint work around the back end has not been touched up. I be trying to find out what orginal make of tyres were fitted on those tractors and see were they the same make. All them early McCormick Intl had the old Intl back end it was basic but it worked grand. For someone that is doing sub 500 tractor hours a week on a drystock farm it's more than adequate. Ya at this stage I be looking to see if I could get a model with the power shuttle and I think @emaherx is right that particular manual shuttle has only30k box.

However If I was getting it for 12k I taking the arm.atvthe shoulder as it woukd be very easy to make at least another 6k+ reselling it. There is not a hope you would buy that tractor for much less than 19-20k if tge hours are genuine

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122937642#Comment_122937642

The tractor will do a job for someone but I think you are over estimating the capability and performance of that tractor. It doesn't even have an assister ram. Comparing it to other 95hp tractors from 2007, it's at the bottom of the table and certainly not worth anything close to the asking price.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122937926#Comment_122937926

I do not think I am I have the previous model the cx90 which is virtually tge same as that model. I have it about 6 years now I am doing about 500 hours a year on it now. Feeding 80+ cattle in a shed with it.

Ya I would like the newer electric shuttle model but that will need to wait another few years. Not the strongest back end but will lift any bale easily

emaherx

That particular CX95 tractor is lower spec than the one I have, but you are not getting any sort of 90hp tractor from the 2000's or even the 90's for 12k with or without a loader. The worn out front tyres are off putting at the advertised price but the advertised price is most likely negotiable anyway.

hopeso

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938139#Comment_122938139

500 hours a year feeding 80 cattle?

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122939832#Comment_122939832

Yes

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122939860#Comment_122939860

There must be more of a tractor jockey in you than you let on here so!

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122940091#Comment_122940091

Between feeding, drawing in bales, setting the rape and oats, fencing, toping spraying drawing cattleetc over the whole year this year about 500 hours I expect. The two places are about ten miles apart so a lot of pulling and dragging this year. As well there is a few acres around the house where I live so three bits. Young lad house building so the tractor is doing a bit at that as well. Finally we have to give a relation of my wife's a bit of a hand as well

ginger22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122940356#Comment_122940356

How could ya be going 10 miles over and back the road with that yoke. Wouldn't you go for a bit of comfort, 50K and suspension.

older by the day

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/case-5140-maximtractor/38583422?modal=gallery

She doesn't look to bad,

tractorporn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122950984#Comment_122950984

Does the dash show 3000 odd hours? Cos the state of the seat would suggest otherwise! Must be 13000 hrs?

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122951177#Comment_122951177

Or 2300 hours

PoorFarmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122950984#Comment_122950984

Has no neutral in the shuttle, which is OK it you are not used of a shuttle box. If you are, then it is a total mindf**k. You'll automatically go to throw the shuttle out of gear when you stop. You'll be halfway down the steps and the tractor will be going through the wall.

older by the day

Plus vat, was it expensive when it was new

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/john-deere-6920-low-hours/38484772

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122954210#Comment_122954210

Jaysus....

Packrat

Look at this dreamer…

How in God's name is a 1970s 2wd dog of a yoke worth 12.5k in his mind... plot totally lost.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford-5600-with-tanco-front-loader/37523078

Esel

^^^^ type a space after the link 🙂

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford-5600-with-tanco-front-loader/37523078

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122954703#Comment_122954703

Take the 1 away at the start and you’re at its value then!

kk.man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122954857#Comment_122954857

Is that owner John Conaty who sponsored Farmer Phil ?

blue5000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122954703#Comment_122954703

I like the bit about 'no rust'. Apart from the cab, mudguards, and wheel rims they're almost right. 2.5k is a bit harsh, maybe 4-5k would be about right. I don't think it has dual power either.

divillybit

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-399/38581305

For anyone that follows Mr. Cvx you tube channel, this is the 399 in his latest video that he imported. Nice 399 to be fair but I don't like those gear boxes with the 4 gears and the 3 ranges on the one gear lever. Be interested to see how quick it sells

Odelay

With 2000hrs and his knowledge, I'd say it will sell very quick. He know his market, isn't a dreamer. Most of his his stuff has a fast turnaround.

older by the day

She is very clean, a pick up hitch would be nice. I don't think I'd survive with out the push out hitch these days

emaherx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122957183#Comment_122957183

That is by far the most sought after gearbox in the 300 series, despite any issues involving replacing the spring.

emaherx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122957253#Comment_122957253

It's big money for such an old machine especially with no pick-up hitch. You'd survive without the push out with the hitch that came on most later 300 series as they'd good visibility of the hook, but it would be a fair pain with none at all.

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122959398#Comment_122959398

I think he said in his video on YouTube that the 32K includes fitting a pick up hitch.

divillybit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122959328#Comment_122959328

They might be more sought after I suppose, it's the same gearbox as in the 4255 4260 Massey's. It's a long gearstick and if there's any wear in the linkages it leaves a very long travel in the gearstick between gears. I found that mechanical shuttle and the gear box was crude enough in any ones I drove. Those lights on the dash showing what range the tractor is in are a bit troublesome too. I think the H light (high range) didn't come on straight away in Mr cvx's 399 but it did come on as he drove it. It's a minor thing though. I think 390's have a better residual value than a 399's.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-699-turbo/38599899

This modified 699 would be a better buy I think. I think the 399 is heavily based on a 699. I messaged the seller and asked are the 699 hydraulics able to work the fusion baler. He said he never tried it, just put the fusion on for the picture. 😆

Shellfishfcuker

Hope this is allowed. I'm looking for recommendations for a massey restorer. I have a 135 industrial (20) with duncan cab that runs well, body is a little rough because she sits outside all the time, ZV reg, great workhorse with low hours. I also have a goldbelly that has sat for 5 years, was running when she was parked but the clutch went, so good engine but rough body. I would love to have the goldbelly restored. Do you think that a restorer would take the 135 in part payment for a restoration? Or the other way round? I'm flexible and open to negotiation. I'm also open to any and all advice and I would welcome any suggestions.

emaherx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122960515#Comment_122960515

Having owned an early 365 with the 3 sticks on the floor, a 390T 12x12 shuttle, a 390 8x8 shuttle and a 698T. I can assure you the 12x12 shuttle is as good as they got, absolutely the shuttle gearboxes are crude by modern power shuttle standards but far superior to any of the previous models.

Not sure I'd say the 300 series are heavily based on the 600 series any more than they were all based on the 100 series but the front axles and gearboxes (except 3 sticks on floor models) are completely different. Having run the 390T and 698T here simultaneously and very much doing the same work for 20 years, the 390T is quiter in the cab, has a better turning circle, faster on the road, faster hydraulics, has better vision all round and just an altogether better driving experience. The only positive comparison for the 698T is it has a slightly roomier cab if it survived the Irish weather.

I'm fairly familiar with wear in the long gear stick most of that can be sorted externally handy enough. There is also one little spring known to give issue which involves splitting the tractor, usually only needs doing once as the replacement springs were better than the original. As for the light on the dash, I've had to replace the bulb, but even not working I could remember what range I was in it wasn't that big a deal.

twin_beacon

The 12x12 gearboxes got the final touches when the 4200 series came, they added a power shuttle, although I don't know if that option was available when the series was launched. Not many 4200 series had the power shuttle, even a lot of the 4300 series didn't have it, which is odd as many of the 4 cylinder tractors were fitted with a loader.

WoozieWu

this lady has her work done

is there an export market for the likes of this or where do they end up

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